Subject: Re: What do you guys think of this motor ? by BeachBum on 2008/11/28 4:59:49
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BeachBum wrote: Do you understand what I am saying..... I don't think this motor is right, they could have made more torque and hp in my opinion. But who knows.... maybe thats just what that combination will make if tuned right.... I don't know, hence my question to other forum members to get there opinion. Nothing more or less....
OK, that clears it up a bit. Could they have gotten more HP and torque? IDK. The cam was small, the intake plays a fairly large role in torque vs hp.
It was a longer runner dual plane intake, clearly a torque oriented intake.
The heads are a bit small, if this is a Dart sponsored project, perhaps the 230s may have been more appropiate if HP were the goal, but it wasn't.
It was a carbed motor, so tuning wasn't really an issue, not that you can't tune a carb, but it's a lot less than an EFI tune and less likely to be that far off.
I think my point is that ever part in the motor was selected for the goal. The intake, the carb, the heads, the cam, all of it. Selected to try to get streetable torque.
Therefore I think it is impossible to point to any one place that would be the culprit.
What frustrates me, is comments like a 215 head of XXX is too small but a 210 from somewhere else is OK. That magazine articles from XXX are good and from XXXX are bad. The double standards and the knee jerk reaction to go straight to a place which is not appropriate. It's a simplistic response to a complex question.
Like I said, they had a goal and picked every part as it related to that goal. Could they have gotten more HP or Torque if they changed something? Yeah, perhaps. But you can't pick and choose one part. As soon as you change one part which was not picked as part of the combination you'll change the characteristics of the motor, you know that. WHen all parts of the combination are chosen for a particular result, taking one part out may lead to a WORSE result.
Agian, I'll beat the horse, each part was chosen to meet the stated goal so to take one element in a vacuum and point to it as the weak spot, if there is one, is as I said, simplistic.
Much better.... this is discussion.
On could have the AFR 210's made more power with that set-up vs the Dart 215's in that test, I dunno.... each indivdual will have their own opinion on that, and thats okay.....
But, as a note, they did change just one part.... and it was to a much bigger cam than the torque cam.
btw, don't get me wrong on motors like this, I've always been a big fan of torque motors !! You can run minimal converter/cam/gear and have a car that your wife can drive, and yet they et much better than most know.... I prefer that.
