| Re: What Is AFR And Why Do So Many People Like Them? |
Subject: Re: What Is AFR And Why Do So Many People Like Them? by jsup on 2008/12/9 13:29:27 You know Andy, I agree with everything you said with one exception. Yes, I quoted something here and there from Dart, not "chapter and verse", but let me concede the point for the sake of argument. It is no less valid than those who quote chapter and verse from AFR. Let's not lose sight of that. No other manufacture promotes a product the same way, yet the discussion is ALWAYS framed the same way, that's what I call a circle jerk. Look at how this started. Someone came here to rebuild an L98. He wanted a 300 HP motor. Somone, somewhere, on some forum, told him the first thing he needs to do is drop $1500 on AFR heads and $1000 on an intake. Does that seem like good advice to ANYONE? Serious. Can anyone defend that as good advice? All Pr0zac did was point out the stock heads would be fine, I backed it up, and the argument went right back to no, AFR is the only solution. That's my problem. It wasn't even the right solution IMO based on the goals, but we can't have that conversation without the bullshit starting. I simply don't understand this overwhelming requirement to push people into buying AFR by forum members, as if they have a vested interest in it. One more thing. What's with all the AFR related threads that are started? May I also point out the number of threads started with an AFR slant is grossly disproportionate to ANY manufacturer of any product. Hey, look at this build, AFR, Hey, I can save you $25 bucks on AFR over Summit (like that's worth a thread), etc... Where's the thread on Mahle? Scat? Jensel? Comp Cams? Get TF over it, there's a lot more to talk about than heads, get a life. I am tired of it myself. That's when the circle jerk starts. Look at Wes's post. If he used AFR heads in his run there'd be 100 posts by now talking about how great the power is..you know it, I know it, let's just say what it is. But again, back to the point. This guy came here looking for advice. He was given bad advice, and when that was pointed out, shit hit the fan. Do I live in an alternate universe or is that not what happened? Seems pretty clear to me. The reason being is that the bad advice was against buying AFR. I don't think there could be a more clear example how this works. Many of you have helped me through my decision making process, PeteK, Ron, Joe (anesthes), Mick (mseven)if I forgot anyone sorry. They gave me solid theory devoid of manufacturer bullshit. Wish the rest of you could follow that example. I don't get the overwhelming urge to try to force people into a particular product. And, please, don't insult the little intelligence I have, by telling me it doesn't happen. It happened to ME, I have first hand experience in it. People aggressively trying to make me buy AFR. Let me finish on one last note. When I had people shoving AFR down my throat I did something none of you have done, I went in head first and learned about heads from multiple engineers with fluid dynamics background, and talking to real high performance engine builders that are winning races. I took nothing as fact, and cross checked every fact. Which one of the leghumpers have done that? That's my point. Calling Tony Mamo and repeating what he tells you isn't learning anything. |
