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Re: Air Flow Research (AFR) 195's VS Trick Flow Specialties (TFS) 195's - Test within

Subject: Re: Air Flow Research (AFR) 195's VS Trick Flow Specialties (TFS) 195's - Test within
by dan0617 on 2009/7/20 2:43:55

Quote:

TonyMamo wrote:

Why did you get so aggressive with the static CR?

A 23' engine even with our heads wont tolerate as much as a Gen III which has a superior chamber/quench design. You might have made more power with less compression and more timing (closer to 11.0)....in fact likely the case. Most of the dyno testing I conduct seems to favor low/mid 30's for optimal ignition advance. I would be curious what your engine would make with 100 octane no lead mixed 50/50 and more timing added. I bet it would produce even better numbers in that configuration.

IMO, you simply have all the timing your engine will tolerate with the octane fuel your running.....not so much that you optimized your package at that little total timing. Once again, less compression and more timing would have likely produced better results and been alot safer. Knock/detonation over the long haul is certain to cause cracked ringlands or worse depending just how bad it gets/persists.

-Tony


I upped the static CR to help eliminate some cam surge I get around 45 to 48 mph in 3rd with the converter locked up. It worked, it is all but gone now. No matter what I did with timing/fueling/etc. in the tune it wouldn't go away.

I ran at the track on motor only with your heads out of the box on this combo, which was a 10.7 SCR on my build. I ran a 12.22 @ 111 mph. That was on a 1.6 60' and 34 degrees of timing. I now ran after shaving the heads and going to colder spark plugs with a SCR of 11.4. I babied the launch since it was my first pass of the day. I ran a 12.32 @ 110.5, on a 1.7 60'. I'm sure if I launched the same it would have been a 12.20 or maybe high 12.1 @ 111 or so mph. This was with 28 degrees overall timing. Was also nearly 10 degrees hotter ambient temp the second time out. I really believe the higher compression and less timing is equal to or even a hair better than the lower compression and more timing, at least up to this point. 6 degrees less timing and only .1 slower in the 1/4 with a .1 slower 60' on that pass doesn't seem all that bad to me.

BTW, my mph's might seem slow n/a but this setup is more optimized for nitrous. On that 200 shot my 1/4 mile was 10.66 @ 131.08 and that was on the pass that melted my plugs, will likely be quicker when the plugs aren't turning into lava. Also, I'm at 3520 lb raceweight.

I really don't want to try racing fuel as this is a street weekend cruiser that I want to be able to run nearly as fast on the street as on the track. So far so good.

I have found I need really cold spark plugs to run my 200 shot, which is likely more like 200 at the wheels. I just installed Autolite AR3931's. NGK plugs heat range 8 (similar heat range to the AR 3934) just melted the ground straps during my 10.66 1/4 mile pass so I know they are too hot. My worry is that the combustion chamber temps are too hot even for the coldest possible plugs. Is that possible at this point? I wouldn't think that a 200 shot rated at the wheels and 11.4 SCR, 9.2 DCR would be too much heat, I've seen guys running more on higher compression and they are surviving, so I think I just need the colder plugs. What do you think??

I'm also considering a small water/meth injection system to help lower the cylinder temps when spraying and to up the octane rating. That would be a longer term plan though, I'm really hoping that all I need is the colder plugs right now.

The reason I pulled the heads and had a chance to shave them down was because I was stupid. I ran NGK heat range 5, or Champion RC12YC plugs, with a 175 shot. I melted them all, and melted the #7 cylinder exhaust valve and slightly damaged the seat. Local machine shop put in a new seat and valve and shaved the heads and put me back in business.

As a side note Tony, I couldn't be happier with these heads. The AFR 195 elims were for sure the right head choice for my build.
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