| Re: Engine Dyno Predictions: |
Subject: Re: Engine Dyno Predictions: by TonyMamo on 2008/12/26 21:39:40 Dont forget guys that the 25 HP spread, while very significant in and of itself, was purely peak to peak. Alot of dyno curves that show that type of gain would also follow the other power curve very closely and potentially even narrow past peak (look at the Dart vs camel hump comparo which shows a net gain/curve which narrows past peak). Its the area under the curve and the complete different shape of the AFR power curve that speaks volumes and would propel the vehicle faster than a typical gain of 25 HP might indicate without checking out the bigger picture (the rest of the power and torque gains). By 6400 there is a 40 HP gap between the two and by 6700 (still a very usable and pertinent data point) that spread gaps to 60 HP!!....the difference in top end pull of these two combo's would be notably different. I could and would like to comment on about a half a dozen of JSUP's other off base commentary thru out this thread but Im not going to bother as nothing it seems will change the way he feels anyway and honestly its a complete waste of time. Not that I expected anything different in light of the excellent results we posted. Of course my target audience isn't JSUP, its the others reading this that dont have an agenda and are simply looking for the best value and customer service when it comes to mass produced high quality aftermarket cylinder heads. Look for more AFR results to be posted over the next few months including Wes's track results with the new combo which should be really interesting as well. Hope you guys are enjoying some time off... Regards, Tony EDIT....JSUP, the ported T1 Brodix (your new hope to unseat the AFR's) are over 210 cc's when finished (closer to 220 cc's I believe) and would NOT be relevant to this testing for obvious reasons (cost and port volume). However, I would be more than happy to compare them to our larger race heads. Others have and have gone faster with the AFR Eliminators in out of the box configurations. A T1 casting has good potential though in the hands of a very knowledgable and talented porter (in fact Ive ported a number of them back in the day prior to my joining AFR) but once again now we are comparing apples and oranges in dollars spent. Our Comp version 227 would cost less and still outflow the best efforts I have seen on the Track one stuff and the upcoming AFR 235 would smoke both of them. While you think (and have accused me countless times) of "marketing" and hyping just a comparable product in your eyes thru smoke and mirrors (which I find poetic after recently finding out you make a living somehow marketing related), the reality is I am much more knowledgeable than you in this field and have a ton more real world experience related to it. I am imtimately familiar with our product as well as most of my competitors having the opportunity to see most of them on the flowbench as well as the dyno. Also, while some of our other products have far more intense competition, our 23' Eliminator line is one of our latest efforts and it shows (alot of our competitors 23' stuff was designed years ago). While I would agree that most companies rely heavily on marketing to make themselves appear to be better than their competitors (speaking generally of any type of product), there are a select few companies that really do offer their customers a truly better mousetrap. While they market their products as well, they have the goods to back their claims. Reread this paragragh a few times because its the reason you going to continue bringing a knife to a gunfight if you stay the course and continue to badmouth AFR and minimize our accomplishments. Ultimately your going to continue to come up short... I offered you a sweet situation awhile ago to try our product at a later date (after dyno testing and hitting the track a few times with your current combination) but instead you decided to make it your mission to try and badmouth AFR and belittle our efforts which is a shame. If and when you ever quantify what you have I would still be up for working with you in light of all the BS you have started. Perhaps then you could join the "leghumpers" as well. Im thinking a 210 Comp package would kill on that combination of yours...when your ready to actually get off your butt and do some real R&D let me know. |
