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biggrizzly Tuning Out the Oil Level Sensor? WWYD?
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When installing and using the Champs Road Racing Pan, the oil level sensor is too close to the headers to be able to insert it and have enough room for the sensor and connector to clear the header. This is a result of the oil pan kick-outs at the bottom which provide more oil capacity. I know that "BlackHarleyMan" on CF modified a sensor by cutting off a half inch or so and potting some wires into it. However, last Sunday, Will and I were discussing the possibility of tuning the whole oil level parameter out of the tune, thus avoiding any cutting or modifying of the oil level sender.

I have considered tuning out the oil level sender if Mick is able to do that. My thinking is that I have never, ever had an oil light come on before and always know my oil level before going out. However, it does provide insurance in the event some event occurs to cause a sudden dump of oil. It will alert you to that event.

What do you Gurus think about this one?
Posted on: 2011/5/4 13:27
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The oil level sensor was put there more for the idiots who never open the hood than for oil loss.

Personally, I'd do away with it.

You could cover yourself by putting in an oil pressure warning light. You can get an adjustable sensor and tee it into the oil press line.
And you can fab an LED into the dash (even w/o cutting/drilling) that would be almost invisible until it came on. Or have a plug in alert light just used at events.
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Can you wire in a decoy, so it thinks it is full. Then you wouldn't have to worry about the tune.
Posted on: 2011/5/4 14:51
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However, it does provide insurance in the event some event occurs to cause a sudden dump of oil. It will alert you to that event.


You will have been alerted it is time to rebuild the motor. Just unplug the connector and secure it, put a bung in the pan, and either remove the parameter in the ECM or figure out the resister to get the light to stay off.
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Doesn't the oil pressure switch cut off the injectors if oil pressure drops below a certain level?
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Talking about separate sensors. Low oil level light is just an idiot light. I do not believe it stops anything from functioning. It just says add oil.


The pressure switch, goes down to 5 psi before it shuts down if I remember correctly. Already at 5 psi you are reaching a critical point. You will be starving the top end for oil.

But seriously, once you are racing and you lose oil pressure or oil general, your motor is toast. Which is why people run accusumps.
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Wow... first off, the Oil Level Sensor does not require any tuning out. Remove the bulb from the DIC.

The oil pressure switch runs in parallel to the fuel pump relay - it will allow the car to start and maintain operation, once it has seen 4 psi of oil pressure. Now, the catch, it will NOT shut off the motor if the pressure crashes. The idea is that you may not want to stop the engine... it is easier to rebuild a motor than a person.
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Now, the catch, it will NOT shut off the motor if the pressure crashes. The idea is that you may not want to stop the engine... it is easier to rebuild a motor than a person.


O.K., I thought it did shut the injectors down, as a safety feature in an accident, e.g., ignition on, fuel line rupture, engine stalled.
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there are no safety measures I am aware off that will shut down the fuel pump, short of a cut wire or broken relay.
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Andy... You sure that's a closed circuit and nothing else reads that voltage? If so, I'll just tape the connector back into the harness and be done with it.

Thanks
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Yes. The oil level has nothing to do with engine operations.

It is simply an idiot light.
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Sounds like a useless light to me. We've gotten along just fine for 80 years without it. My 85 doesn't have one.
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There isn't a hole in my moroso drag pan. I just left it disconnected. All is well. The sensor provides a ground, so having it unplug doesn't turn the light on.
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@CentralCoaster - like many things added to cars these days, to they help inform or just create marketing bling?
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I think most cars have an oil level idiot light that lets the owner know that they have never changed the oil since buying the car. Usually its the factory original oil and there is only 1 quart left in the engine that is clinging burnt to every surface except those it is intended to lubricaate!!
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I put a previously enjoyed LT1 in my trans am and it needed valve seal very badly. The oil light comes on when there is only 2 quarts left.
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Just revisiting this thread to document some observations.

I taped up the connector for the oil level sensor that was located in the old oil pan. The oil level light on the DIC still comes on periodically. It seems that about every other time I start the car the light comes on and then the next time it will not come on. I have not removed the bulb from the DIC but need to, as it feels weird to see the low oil light come on. I just think its odd that it comes on some times and not at others.
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keep it if you can

oil can stack up in the heads while road racing.

I've also seen people hit zero psi at an autocross.

better to have the warning than not.
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keep it if you can

oil can stack up in the heads while road racing.

I've also seen people hit zero psi at an autocross.

better to have the warning than not.


I guess so, but for me I have overkill anyway. 8qt RR pan High volume pump. When cold oil pressure is at 80 until it warms up then goes down to between 40-60 at rpm and 20ish at idle.

The reason it won't work is that the header is so close to the bump out on the oil pan that you can't get the sensor installed without the wires and harness butting up against the header. BlackHarleyMan over at CF, modified his to make it work but I think its too much fabrication for what you get in return.

I don't see any road racing in my immediate future. Maybe a NCM HPDE at VIR but nothing more. I'm a poor boy for another 26 years until this house is paid off!
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