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PeteK Possible Ban
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I think I may be setting myself up for a ban.
Nothing worse than an internet know it all.
Why do I picture a 15 year old, zit faced fat kid as the master "Blockman".
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-te ... -4-bolt-block-needed.html
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THink youll be alright. Done a lot worse than that without bannage.
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I agree. How I reply next to the asshat will determine it.
Posted on: 2009/12/26 17:19
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Seems to me you took the high road and didn't fall for the provocation.
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I have read his posts for many years, on many forums. There is no doubt Blockman knows his stuff. However, anytime someone asks for engine advice, he cannot simply add it. His MO is to interject personal attacks with anyone who does not preach his gospel.

His gospel is:
American made products ONLY!!!
Blocks must be machined on a CNC machine to be correct.
Aftermarket blocks are required if making more than 37 HP.
Forged cranks, pistons and bitchen rods are needed for any vehicle.

I think, he thinks, he is the only one out there that can screw a motor together.

Like I said, he has knowledge, reputation, and ability.
He has a terrible internet character.
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He defintely knows his stuff and has been a big help to me over the years for sure;saved me from making a grave mistake with a Dart Little M block, his points werent covered on their literature which could have cost this person a motor eventually.

Machinists/porters, etc seem to be their own breed in certain ways. The two I use and many I know are the same meaning they are the best, XXX competitor sucks, ABC parts only, etc. Just the way they are.
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I think you'll be fine. To my knowlege, Carl's not a supporting vendor on CF....

In such a case, as far as CF is concerned, your just 2 peons in a little internetz pissing match.

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I read the posts and I just don't understand why the guy acts like that. Seems like he is very knowledgeable but why attack you for asking a legitimate question about engine building? Sad, really.

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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.
Posted on: 2009/12/26 23:25
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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.


no kidding.

He is acting like a real tool.
Posted on: 2009/12/27 1:43
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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.


no kidding.

He is acting like a real tool.


That is really mild for him. I have seen him unload on others much harder.

He is not willing to educate, he demands you comply with his way, as it is the only way.

I pity his ex wife.
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He defintely knows his stuff and has been a big help to me over the years for sure;saved me from making a grave mistake with a Dart Little M block, his points werent covered on their literature which could have cost this person a motor eventually.

Machinists/porters, etc seem to be their own breed in certain ways. The two I use and many I know are the same meaning they are the best, XXX competitor sucks, ABC parts only, etc. Just the way they are.


I agree. His character needs work. The rest seems fine.
Strikes me as a very bitter man.
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Well, I"m bitter too at the moment, send him this way and I bet I can fix that chit in a hurry
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I read the posts and I just don't understand why the guy acts like that. Seems like he is very knowledgeable but why attack you for asking a legitimate question about engine building? Sad, really.

Matthew


Because I don't have an engineering backround, or formal training in machining/engine building, I am forced to use trial and error as my only avenue of education.
My question to him was legit.
"Have I been lucky with my stuff, or is a 2 bolt block really ok"?
He assumed it as a challenge to his professionalism.
He was wrong, thus the belittling that followed.
He is only a couple hour drive from me. I would like to meet the man, the myth, and the legend.
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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.


no kidding.

He is acting like a real tool.


That is really mild for him. I have seen him unload on others much harder.

He is not willing to educate, he demands you comply with his way, as it is the only way.

I pity his ex wife.


The operative word is "EX". I can fully understand why.

I genuinely hate people who are this way. They are so stuck on themselves that they are unwilling to either share or learn from others. That's the pinnacle of arrogance.

I had an argument with some lady online once... she was giving me all sorts of grief on something, and I lit her up a bit. I indicate that we are in "conversation." Her definition of "conversation"? yea... shut up and listen to me. I really tore into her then.
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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.


Damn letty, I mi$$ you!!!
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I was banned for sticking up for myself before. Keep your mouth shut or you will be thrown out in a hurry. CF needs you Pete so don't let that punk get you banned. Ignore him and move on. If your banned, the C4 section would just fall apart...


That's the operative phrase - C4 section needs HIM. Not the other way around.

Let them ban Pete... considering he is a mod here means he is higher on their list than normal. It would only help CG to grow!
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can't use link, Looks like CF is down yet again lol
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can't use link, Looks like CF is down yet again lol


Looks like they got hacked again
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One thing I have always been on any Vette forum is straight up and honest. 99% or more of my post contribute, rather than draw from the forum. I enjoy it, and the hobby.
Have I managed to pull an occasional profit? You bettcha. However, most of the time, someone comes to me to ask for help.

In the case of WW7, that is exactly what happened. He asked some questions, and ultimately asked me to build him an engine.
I agreed.

For the following reasons:
1) I like a project, especially in the winter.
2) I can make a few bucks on WW7
3) MOST IMPORTANT, my machinest has 3 kids, is excellent at what he does, and the economy has not been kind to him. I would like to see him prosper.

I do agree that any forum that wishes to ban me will lose a resource, but someone else will come along.

Blockman is a dirty dog. He muther f's anyone he can to make it look like he is the only one that can perform the simple task of machining a small block chevy motor.

For a machinest, it is a simple task.

Engine builders are a rough crowd. It is typical for alot of them to behave like Blockman. It is a shame. He is on 20 plus forums doing it to anyone he can.
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Pete, if you were closer to me, you'd be building my engine. Don't feel bad about one prick being a jerk to you.

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Machinists/porters, etc seem to be their own breed in certain ways. The two I use and many I know are the same meaning they are the best, XXX competitor sucks, ABC parts only, etc. Just the way they are.


Pete: I've been around alot of people like this! They are the best welder,painter,engine builder just ask them they tell ya. Ego!!! Lack of character and belittling on line is due to lack of self-esteem and was probably bullied as a kid. Thinks he knows it all because the blog reinforces his ego. There! my profiling is done.. Don't worry about, your at a much higher level here. I avoid people that behave in this manner.
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I don't care how knowledgable or talented someone is... If they are not willing to listen to someone else's POV or question themselves every now and then, how will they ever learn anything new?

Not the type of guy you want working on your stuff. God forbid they do make a mistake, they have too much pride to ever own up to it.
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CF is down... no one is gonna be banned today...
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I was suprised. My machinest was offended by Blockman, and shot him a little info regarding his method of machining. He immediately calmed down.
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I was suprised. My machinest was offended by Blockman, and shot him a little info regarding his method of machining. He immediately calmed down.


I followed that thread Pete. The guy is a real azz to say the least. Your skills are undeniable and I have seen your work in person and spoken to you in person.

While he may have knowledge he appears to be an internet "nutswinger".
As a retired ASE Master Tech your skills in assembly practices are impeccible.
After working with Machinists for many years I was happy to see your guy reply... the pics and his skills look to be above and beyond. We can all always learn something thru peaceful discussion. Just my .02 on the subject.
We still need to talk about a motor.
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Thanks Mike. Although you guys are swelling my head, I appreciate the compliments.
As far as a motor for you, we can do whatever makes sense, and I will do my best.
My machinest has been hit hard by the economy. I am trying my best to generate some income for him. His skill, ability and attitude are perfect, so I don't mind acting as his agent. He has 3 kids to feed, so I will continue push whatever I can, his way.On this, and as many builds as possible, I am assembling, he is machining. I enjoy doing them, and wish to continue.
Thanks again.

PS:
If you still have my cell #, we can kick some ideas around. If not, I will pm you with the number.
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Judging by the build thread your back on.

Nice build BTW

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There not going to ban Pete, they have lost enough of there top knowledgable people already. They lose to many more and all they will have is guys talking about what oil to use, and are fram filters anygood..By the way the picture above is the engine Pete is building for me. (Ain't it pretty)..WW
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I was suprised. My machinest was offended by Blockman, and shot him a little info regarding his method of machining. He immediately calmed down.


Was that in a PM or did I miss it in the thread?

Edit - I saw it in the engine build thread
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It was in the build thread.The machinest Pete uses (Shane)got a little irritated and told Blockman what he was doing step by step and Blockman backed right off.I guess Shane impressed him.WW
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ugh... the constant pissing contest that is CF... oh, the drama.
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ugh... the constant pissing contest that is CF... oh, the drama.


Your right, I can't believe how many posts I have typed and then erased after saying to myself, ( this is just going to get me in a argument!!..WW
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I know what you mean...
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Your right, I can't believe how many posts I have typed and then erased after saying to myself, ( this is just going to get me in a argument!!..WW


You and me both brutha. I have made the decision to ignore Blockman completely. He feeds off drama, and I don't.By not acknowledging him, he will get his panties in a tighter bunch.

A birdie also told me a rotating assembly arrived at Shane's shop today. It will be photographed, re-machined as needed (just tweaked) and sent off to the balancer.
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It was in the build thread.The machinest Pete uses (Shane)got a little irritated and told Blockman what he was doing step by step and Blockman backed right off.I guess Shane impressed him.WW


It is pretty interesting, actually.
Blockman was trying to make the point that a block should be blueprinted perfectly. This is never possible on a factory due to core shift that occurs to some extent on every single block mass produced (and Blockman knows this).
Because there is not enough metal to truly blueprint a block, a good machinest must establish hypothetical perfect, and compare it against the block on hand. Then, after the variances are discovered, the differences are averaged and machined.
In other words, you split the difference between perfect, and what you have to work with.

Although this will not be a textbook perfect machining job (as it is not possible) it is 10x better than any new GM block produced.

After Shane explained his way, Blockman understood exactly what he was doing. I suspect he was even impressed with Shanes method. Shane also bores and decks in a non typical manner because he feels his way is superior.
In a nerdy way, pretty cool stuff.
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There not going to ban Pete, they have lost enough of there top knowledgable people already. They lose to many more and all they will have is guys talking about what oil to use, and are fram filters anygood..


Too late!

The CF-C4 is gaining a reputation of being the trailer trash section as it is.
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There not going to ban Pete, they have lost enough of there top knowledgable people already. They lose to many more and all they will have is guys talking about what oil to use, and are fram filters anygood..


Too late!

The CF-C4 is gaining a reputation of being the trailer trash section as it is.


What cha gonna do?
Still quite a few good guys left though, and the newbies don't know any better.
The thread has taken a positive turn, and I don't suspect any more drama. That is, until we put up more pics showing the machining processes pending.
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Thanks Mike. Although you guys are swelling my head, I appreciate the compliments.
As far as a motor for you, we can do whatever makes sense, and I will do my best.
My machinest has been hit hard by the economy. I am trying my best to generate some income for him. His skill, ability and attitude are perfect, so I don't mind acting as his agent. He has 3 kids to feed, so I will continue push whatever I can, his way.On this, and as many builds as possible, I am assembling, he is machining. I enjoy doing them, and wish to continue.
Thanks again.

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If you still have my cell #, we can kick some ideas around. If not, I will pm you with the number.


Yep, still have your #. I'll give you a call during Jan.
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Thanks Mike. Although you guys are swelling my head, I appreciate the compliments.
As far as a motor for you, we can do whatever makes sense, and I will do my best.
My machinest has been hit hard by the economy. I am trying my best to generate some income for him. His skill, ability and attitude are perfect, so I don't mind acting as his agent. He has 3 kids to feed, so I will continue push whatever I can, his way.On this, and as many builds as possible, I am assembling, he is machining. I enjoy doing them, and wish to continue.
Thanks again.

PS:
If you still have my cell #, we can kick some ideas around. If not, I will pm you with the number.


Yep, still have your #. I'll give you a call during Jan.



Cool Beans!!
Lets build something big!
421 small block, perhaps?
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I think I may be setting myself up for a ban.
Nothing worse than an internet know it all.
Why do I picture a 15 year old, zit faced fat kid as the master "Blockman".
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-te ... -4-bolt-block-needed.html


Interesting cf thread....Scare tactics....scare everybody into thinking their 2 bolt will blow-up first time they push the go pedal....

But, the reality of it is, you rarely see naturally aspirated pump gas street/strip 6000 rpm motors blow-up.... in fact, its very rare. I have spent hundreds of weekends at the dragstrip over the years, and the motors that are oiling the track down are typically either power adder cars or 7000+ rpm motors..... but docile street/strip 6000 rpm cars ?.... extremely rare.

Quite frankly, even the 7000+ rpm cars that on occasion oil the track the problem is rooted from a valvetrain issue before a shortblock problem.

Having said that, if given the choice, I'd choose a 4 bolt as I have.....but, I wouldn't be scared of bracket racing a 2 bolt until the wheels fell-off....let alone put-putting around in a street car.
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Next up, convincing the world that a 6 bolt, nascar style main is required to exceed 500hp!

hahahahahahahahaha!!!!
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2/3 of the people on that forum are like that.

this number isn't correct.. they banned me so this figure is off.
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In which direction?
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haha.
Posted on: 2010/1/3 6:17
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I've just been banned for life from the Corvette Forum for arguing with a member named, "Blockman" It appears that he has the right to insult and degrade my name in any fashion he wants, and I was not allowed to defend my self. He spews much foolish information that is full of half thruths, and claims to be the voice of reason. One of my customers told me of a post on the forum about our 2 bolt main Bowtie blocks, and this Blockman member was there to more or less warn others that our information on the product was grossly incorrect. He claimed these blocks were sure to fail at hp levels above 375-400 or 5600-5800 rpm. It was my opinion that he was not only wrong, but talking nonsense. They have banned me permanently, and removed the two posts. I was recommended to this site, and hope not to encounter this Blockman here. I would like to become a vendor on this site, as from what I've read in the posts here, this site is very different from the above mentioned. It was appearant that Blockman was lossing his slandorous battle, and that's when I awoke to a permanent bann, and the posts were removed. If he is a member on this forum, and chooses to attack me in this fashion again, I will simply go away this time.
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welcome!

And to hell with that, if he comes here and try's to attack you, tear him a new ass!
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Welcome to the site, Skip. Feel free to introduce yourself in the "new members" section. We encourage technical discussion here, but only if there is support for your argument and don't allow wild an undocumented claims. I think you'll like it here

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SKIPWHITE wrote:
I've just been banned for life from the Corvette Forum for arguing with a member named, "Blockman" It appears that he has the right to insult and degrade my name in any fashion he wants, and I was not allowed to defend my self. He spews much foolish information that is full of half thruths, and claims to be the voice of reason. One of my customers told me of a post on the forum about our 2 bolt main Bowtie blocks, and this Blockman member was there to more or less warn others that our information on the product was grossly incorrect. He claimed these blocks were sure to fail at hp levels above 375-400 or 5600-5800 rpm. It was my opinion that he was not only wrong, but talking nonsense. They have banned me permanently, and removed the two posts. I was recommended to this site, and hope not to encounter this Blockman here. I would like to become a vendor on this site, as from what I've read in the posts here, this site is very different from the above mentioned. It was appearant that Blockman was lossing his slandorous battle, and that's when I awoke to a permanent bann, and the posts were removed. If he is a member on this forum, and chooses to attack me in this fashion again, I will simply go away this time.



After following his posts on many forums (Blockman claims to participate in over 20), it is clear he is vicious. He does not support the CF financially, but markets his ability via bashing and attempting to remove credibility of anyone that gets involved with a small block chevy. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I would rather impress a potential customer with professionalism.

I love his tangents about blueprinting blocks. Anyone who has ever measured a seasoned GM core knows you cannot "blueprint" them. There simply is not enough metal to do so.
Example:
If you attempted to bore all cylinders exactly on a 4 inch centerline, there is a good chance that you will hit a water jacket by the time you are 1/2 way through with the 3rd cylinder boring. Core shift is a huge problem.

I enjoy reading about how he blueprints the cam tunnel as it relates to the main bearing bores.
Anyone ever do this, or even hear of this?
To do this properly, the cam bore must be machined oversize to straighten it, then all lifter bores re-machined (after installing new liners.
After all this is done, you now need a custom camshaft that I think is dimensionally the same as a big block cam.

Anyhow, it is not only uncommon to "blueprint" a factory production block, it almost never, ever happens due to some level of core shift. If it did, no one would spend the money, they would upgrade to a quality aftermarket block, and then fully machine it.

Blockman is full of shit, and people that don't know the reality, believe what he spews because it is cool technical shit they don't understand.
Gm does a horrible job machining them, and they last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Any good machinist will make it 10x better than GM by making everything as close to perfect as possible.

I won't argue with him, or even acknowledge him. Unlike him, I have work to do, and a family to feed, and don't have 20 hours a day to be the forum police and protect the world from poor machinists.
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