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j3studio For Your Amusement: Recent Flight Judging Results
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(so you can see how things are on my side of the fence)

I got my score sheets back yesterday from the NCRS Columbus Regional at McDorman's in mid-September. The results were as such:

Operations: perfect except 5 points for the driver's side low beam (the switch is dying and got steadily worse during the trip out). Got the 10 bonus points for fire extinguisher, battery disconnect, and NCRS sticker). So, 745 out of 740.

Interior: did pretty well here - the worst deduction (4 points) was for the rear hatch support rods, which A) are service replacements and B) have faded bushings. 756 out of 774 possible points in this area or 97.7%.

Exterior: worst deduction was 10 points for my non-original, incorrectly dated glass top. The judges also thought my paint was sketchy, which is correct. They liked my completely undriveable Gatorbacks (trucked out to Columbus by a friend of mine) and were merciful about the clearcoat separation on my wheels (time to send those back to Wheel Collision Center). 1147 out of 1179 points or 97.3%.

Mechanical: I got killed on my service replacement battery - further research has revealed that I was attempting to copy the 1986 battery instead of the 1985 . 10 points lost there and an additional 5 each on the air filter housing and the valve covers. 1117 out of 1158 or 96.5%.

Chassis: I took an expected 8 point hit on the mufflers and exhaust tips, which are correct but not original. The big surprise was the PCV valve, which was completely wrong (not even an AC Delco service replacement). 4 unnecessary points lost - ugh. 613 out of 649 or 94.5%.

Total RAW score: 4378 or 97.2% - by the skin of my teeth the 97% necessary as a McClellan qualifier. Now, back to attempt a Performance Verification; probably some time next year.
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I was a member in the second year of NCRS, IIRC, the meetings were in Bryn Mawr.
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I was a member in the second year of NCRS, IIRC, the meetings were in Bryn Mawr.


That's hilarious - the local chapter meeting are in Fort Washington now. We actually just appointed a chapter historian: I'll see if he has anything about that.
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I was a member in the second year of NCRS, IIRC, the meetings were in Bryn Mawr.


That's hilarious - the local chapter meeting are in Fort Washington now. We actually just appointed a chapter historian: I'll see if he has anything about that.


Hell, it could have been Ft. Washington, I never drove, used to ride with Chip Miller and 2 other guys.
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Congratulations on your efforts.
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Congratulations on your efforts.


Thanks! I realize it's not for everyone...
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I have to give you props for this, John. Serious props. The dedication, the commitment, the success. No question...

But for me, it's just too anal and I am not allowed to make fixes without spending 6 months tracking down the right replacement part. I don't have the patience for that!

Also, as much as you enjoy driving that car, it will come to a point that driving it will be counter productive to judging it.

Congrats on making the grade!!!!

I do question one thing... why do they ding you for a "correct, but not original" muffler? What am I missing in that sentence?
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"Operations: perfect except 5 points for the driver's side low beam (the switch is dying and got steadily worse during the trip out). Got the 10 bonus points for fire extinguisher, battery disconnect, and NCRS sticker). So, 745 out of 740."

So they docked you for the headlight switch, but then gave you bonus points for a sticker and fire extinguisher and other stuff that isn't original at all?

These cars aren't fire hazards, so I don't get why they are rewarding anyone for that, as if fire extinguisher is going to stop a car from burning to the ground or being salvaged anyways. If you covered it in bubble wrap would you get more points? Or maybe a NCRS mural across the hood?
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I have to give you props for this, John. Serious props. The dedication, the commitment, the success. No question...

But for me, it's just too anal and I am not allowed to make fixes without spending 6 months tracking down the right replacement part. I don't have the patience for that!


It's the game I choose to play.

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Also, as much as you enjoy driving that car, it will come to a point that driving it will be counter productive to judging it.

Congrats on making the grade!


I'll tell you the truth: if I had not gotten the 97%, I would have retired the car from judging for a couple of years. C4 judging is getting steadily tougher as the judges learn the cars and Lauren was just about as good as you can get a 66 thousand mile early C4 without trailering.

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I do question one thing... why do they ding you for a "correct, but not original" muffler? What am I missing in that sentence?


Correct part number, wrong date - and no question there: they came off a 1987.
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"Operations: perfect except 5 points for the driver's side low beam (the switch is dying and got steadily worse during the trip out). Got the 10 bonus points for fire extinguisher, battery disconnect, and NCRS sticker). So, 745 out of 740."

So they docked you for the headlight switch, but then gave you bonus points for a sticker and fire extinguisher and other stuff that isn't original at all?

These cars aren't fire hazards, so I don't get why they are rewarding anyone for that, as if fire extinguisher is going to stop a car from burning to the ground or being salvaged anyways.


There are always exceptions. The fire extinguisher is mostly a relic from the old days, when folks drove hot Corvettes in and parked them on grass. It's very common in the old car hobby - you see them at AACA meets, etc. I don't mind having my Halon with me.
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I have to give you props for this, John. Serious props. The dedication, the commitment, the success. No question...

But for me, it's just too anal and I am not allowed to make fixes without spending 6 months tracking down the right replacement part. I don't have the patience for that!


It's the game I choose to play.

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Also, as much as you enjoy driving that car, it will come to a point that driving it will be counter productive to judging it.

Congrats on making the grade!


I'll tell you the truth: if I had not gotten the 97%, I would have retired the car from judging for a couple of years. C4 judging is getting steadily tougher as the judges learn the cars and Lauren was just about as good as you can get a 66 thousand mile early C4 without trailering.

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I do question one thing... why do they ding you for a "correct, but not original" muffler? What am I missing in that sentence?


Correct part number, wrong date - and no question there: they came off a 1987.


Interesting... the part number isn't good enough, it has to have the right date code. To me, that will be damned near impossible to overcome. Lets say GM still makes the mufflers for the 85-88 Vette, but now they are all date coded 2010, cause that is when they were made. This means, you have to find NOS or used from 1985 to not lose points.

I guess this is the anal aspect that gets on my nerve... I start to feel claustrophobic when dealing with rules of that nature.

Sure, if this was a 1963 Z06 coupe, I would endevour for all the originality possible... For me, I still see C4s as being daily drivers and candidates for hot rods!! I must change that perception.

I know what this means, John... when you start trailering Lauren, you can get a later ZR1 as a drivable toy.
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Sure, if this was a 1963 Z06 coupe, I would endeavor for all the originality possible ... For me, I still see C4s as being daily drivers and candidates for hot rods! I must change that perception.


There's a guy I know fairly well in the NCRS who does extended road tours (we did a thousand plus miles with him in 2008) in his black 1963 Z06 and still got his Duntov award at this year's National. It can be done, but it sure isn't common.

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I know what this means, John... when you start trailering Lauren, you can get a later ZR1 as a drivable toy.


If I start trailering Lauren, you need to intervene.
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Yeah, as long as you can keep it fun and usable, more power to you. It's been hashed out already a million times so I won't go there. I wonder what my ncrs score would be.

My garage has more original 85 Corvette parts than my car does.
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My garage has more original 85 Corvette parts than my car does.


My garage has more of your original 85 Corvette parts than your car does.



It's all good.
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Sure, if this was a 1963 Z06 coupe, I would endevour for all the originality possible... For me, I still see C4s as being daily drivers and candidates for hot rods!! I must change that perception.


People patitioned NCRS to let their C4's in, not the other way around. Those people wanted to be judged by NCRS rules.

So, is NCRS anal or are those C4 owners anal?
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So, is NCRS anal or are those C4 owners anal?


Both!
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Both!


Har!
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lot's of anal in here.



Great job tho mang. I couldn't do it... at all with my 96 lol
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It's like an anal competition. I'll keep you in mind if I remove any original parts off my car. You can bet your ass the previous owner never did.
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Congrats on a great accomplishment!
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I love everything about the C4, the styling, engineering, it's place in Corvette evolution. I pains me when I hear owners and non-owners diss it. My '91 was a 37,000mi. stocker when I bought it 3 1/2 years ago and after a few small mods, it was too late for me to turn back. When someone asks me what I did to it, it's cars like j3's that provide a reference. I wish I had another vette to keep perfectly stock. The fact that there are guys like j3 that are willing to take the time and effort to do so really lends credence to the 4th generation Corvette and helps to secure it a place in 'vette history.
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I love everything about the C4, the styling, engineering, it's place in Corvette evolution. I pains me when I hear owners and non-owners diss it. My '91 was a 37,000mi. stocker when I bought it 3 1/2 years ago and after a few small mods, it was too late for me to turn back. When someone asks me what I did to it, it's cars like j3's that provide a reference. I wish I had another vette to keep perfectly stock. The fact that there are guys like j3 that are willing to take the time and effort to do so really lends credence to the 4th generation Corvette and helps to secure it a place in 'vette history.


Well said.
Nothin' anal about it.
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Congrats, Studio. Nice work - WELL DONE !
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"Operations: perfect except 5 points for the driver's side low beam (the switch is dying and got steadily worse during the trip out). Got the 10 bonus points for fire extinguisher, battery disconnect, and NCRS sticker). So, 745 out of 740."

So they docked you for the headlight switch, but then gave you bonus points for a sticker and fire extinguisher and other stuff that isn't original at all?

These cars aren't fire hazards, so I don't get why they are rewarding anyone for that, as if fire extinguisher is going to stop a car from burning to the ground or being salvaged anyways. If you covered it in bubble wrap would you get more points? Or maybe a NCRS mural across the hood?



Many NCRS judging events are indoors and as such many municipalities' fire marshalls require fire extinguishers and battery cut-off switches. This is the basis for encouraging members to have both of these items.

FWIW,

P.
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I find that HILARIOUS that people really care about this so much since I dont value it based on my experience. The NCRS judging manual I have for 1984 is very inaccurate. This leads me to the conclusion that the NCRS doesnt really have a clue as to what is actually factory correct :-(
Maybe they have updated it in the past year but I 'm certainly not going to waste more $ on a newer edition. :-(
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