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Ultraman Run Flats........yes or no?
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One of the tires on the car has a big slice in it. They are BF Goodrich G force non run flats. I have heard that the run flats don't wear well and ride bad. What say the Guru......I may not replace all of them for this season but need to address this issue in the future....
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The best answer is "How do you feel about possibly getting stranded with a flat tire?." With no spare and a size not stocked by most dealers a non-run flat is taking a chance.
Jay has Michelin run flats and the ride is better than my C4 and they are quiet and seem to be wearing very well. The downside is they are more expensive. He has also done some research and in a non run flat the Hankooks are popular with the CF crowd.
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fix a flat and a small compressor.

That's how I roll!!
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Roadside assistance. Tire patch / plug kit. Compressor, as mentioned.

None of my cars have spares, nor to they ever.
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fix a flat and a small compressor.

That's how I roll!!


I think they include a can of it with the new C6s. Problem is it can't fix all injuries, but still not a bad option. Remember though that once fix a flat is in a tire it cannot be patched, plugged yes, but not patched.
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The biggest change in the way my C5 drives/rides was when I replaced the runflats with non. I got one of the Z06 "fix a flat" kits off Ebay for about $40, and feel quite confident it will get me out of a bind in most cases, and AAA will take care of any other.

I know the newest runflats are probably better than the old Goodyears I had, but honestly, you could run over a dime with them and tell if it were heads or tails! And the noise......the difference is like night and day.

Beautiful car, by the way! Enjoy it!
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My recent issue with a shredded left front tire led us to tow it to the nearest tire place that carries my favorite brands and replace tires as needed. One tire, two tires or four tires. We ended up getting all four when the one tire decided to break apart. A roadside assistance program and a cell phone will get you where you need to go. Now, just select your tires.
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Marcus, Ive told you by PM, but I'll post up here too. The Michelin Pilot Sports AS + are quiet, ride very nice, handle well and have saved my a$$. The other thing about using Fix-a-flat is you will ruin the TPS unit (or so I understand), replacements are 50-75 each.
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Those things probably work fine for you guys in the more populated areas.......not so much for us in the more rural areas of the country. Cell phone coverage might be sketchy and it might be 50-75 miles to the nearest flatbed truck that can pick you up.

I'll suffer the run-flats. (which really is not suffering at all)
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When I bought my car it had a set of EMT's on it. I put a set of regular sidewall tires on it. I cannot tell the difference in the ride. I did have a bolt go through one and I drove it home (10 miles). My reason was cost, but my car has a spare. Although I've never checked the pressure. The Goodyear Eagle F1 GS are loud. I put on the F1 D3, but they are not an all season tire. I would agree with teebee, with what I have heard with the Michelin's.
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Ya. I forget about you real country boys. That is a long haul.
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Marcus, Ive told you by PM, but I'll post up here too. The Michelin Pilot Sports AS + are quiet, ride very nice, handle well and have saved my a$$. The other thing about using Fix-a-flat is you will ruin the TPS unit (or so I understand), replacements are 50-75 each.


Big price difference but like you said when you are out between Kelvesta and Jetmore you will be glad you made the investment.

Good point about the TPS units.......I will do some research on that.

Then I had the bright idea on long trips to throw in the spare from the 90. It's tall and skinny and would get you 20 miles if it had to or farther. If it bolts up. Put a nice cover over it and you could put it in back of the cavernous whale tale with no problem........smart or dumb?
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The other thing about using Fix-a-flat is you will ruin the TPS unit (or so I understand), replacements are 50-75 each.


The bottle that comes in the Z06 kit (the C5 Z06's did not come from the factory with runflats, only the kit with the bottle of slime and compressor) says that it is sensor safe. Now, I've not had to use it, so I can't say for sure, but it's supposed to be okay. I also carry a "plug tool" and plug material in mine. Hopefully, it will all go bad before I ever need it.

You mention the Michelin Pilots.......a good friend of mine has those on his '98 and loves them......so I'm sure they are great tires! I may look at the non runflat version of those next time.
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The Michelin Pilots aren't just for C5s. They work good for other gens too. I've heard and read nothing but glowing reviews. I went with Bridgestone Potenzas because they fit the budget and my preferences for wet and dry handling. Dunlops came up as well as BF Goodrich tires but you have to delve a little deeper when finding what works best for you. Tire shopping imo is a serious mission. You have to love what you ride on or you'll be miserable till you're rid of them.
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Yea, there's not much out there between those two places. If you wanted to take the space that might work out for you. Don't forget the jack and lug wrench.
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After much deliberation, and kicking it around I decided to go with the Michelin Pilot Sports A/S ZP Run Flats. Both sides made good arguments ride quality being the big consideration. I have never been dissapointed in a Michelin tire and run them on all our trucks.

Service issues out here in the fly over spaces is something to be considered and TB likes his and runs them so they can't be all bad. 95Vette and Volzfan also had good things to say about them.

Tire Rack was $950, then I had to get them mounted and balanced and I don't know about shipping. My local guy charged $1050.00 for the set mounted and balanced. So I went with that. Thanks for all the Guru help!
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The best choice is always the one you like! Good Price too!
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Tire Rack was $950, then I had to get them mounted and balanced and I don't know about shipping. My local guy charged $1050.00 for the set mounted and balanced. So I went with that. Thanks for all the Guru help!



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I'm sure that you will be very happy with them Marcus. That's a good price too. My local guy asked how much I could get them for....I told him $925 plus I'd have the mounting and balancing.....that's when he told me he'd do them for $1000 out the door. That's when I said "Do it". That's been two years ago, so with the cost of oil going up I think you did extremely well.
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After much deliberation, and kicking it around I decided to go with the Michelin Pilot Sports A/S ZP Run Flats. Both sides made good arguments ride quality being the big consideration. I have never been dissapointed in a Michelin tire and run them on all our trucks.

Service issues out here in the fly over spaces is something to be considered and TB likes his and runs them so they can't be all bad. 95Vette and Volzfan also had good things to say about them.

Tire Rack was $950, then I had to get them mounted and balanced and I don't know about shipping. My local guy charged $1050.00 for the set mounted and balanced. So I went with that. Thanks for all the Guru help!


Sounds like a helluva deal!

Congrats, and keep us posted with your opinion of them. I'm getting close to 15k on my present tires, and as I said, these will be on my consideration list.
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They are a bit stiffer but have not been out of town yet to see what they are like on the highway. Is 40 lbs too much air? ..........just kidding but they do have 30 in them is that the recommended amount? Where do you run yours at TB?
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Try to keep mine at 30 cold. But as they warm up they are rarely exactly the same. usually about a pound or two difference.
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good choice marcus. i sold a bunch of those when i in tire sales. mostly for bmw and mercedes. never a acomplaint or problem.
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They are a bit stiffer but have not been out of town yet to see what they are like on the highway. Is 40 lbs too much air? ..........just kidding but they do have 30 in them is that the recommended amount? Where do you run yours at TB?


Guys, 30 cold sounds low to me. The C5s/6s don't even go that low at the track.

I may be wrong but check the recommended pressure on the door sticker and run that (cold pressure).
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Door says 30 psi cold and to add 4 lbs if the tires are hot.
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Door says 30 psi cold and to add 4 lbs if the tires are hot.


Interesting, must be the run flat press. cause that's low for a regular tire.

So, 30 psi it is.

The 4 psi hot really depends on how much water vapor is in the air that was used to fill the tire. But the buidlup's not that big of a deal.
What messes up street tires is running low pressures which makes them run too hot.
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Try to keep mine at 30 cold. But as they warm up they are rarely exactly the same. usually about a pound or two difference.


That is exactly what I do. Anything over 32 cold and I feel a little harsher a ride.
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Try to keep mine at 30 cold. But as they warm up they are rarely exactly the same. usually about a pound or two difference.


That is exactly what I do. Anything over 32 cold and I feel a little harsher a ride.


On the C5, right?
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Try to keep mine at 30 cold. But as they warm up they are rarely exactly the same. usually about a pound or two difference.


That is exactly what I do. Anything over 32 cold and I feel a little harsher a ride.


On the C5, right?


On both cars, but more so on the C4.
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On both cars, but more so on the C4.


That's pretty low, Andy.
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Bill, you got me curious. I went out and checked the label on the driver's door edge and the owner's manual. The label says 30psi front and rear. The manual says if I am going to be driving over 150 mph increase the cold pressure to 35 psi. I will have to remember that for when I get on the interstates.
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The manual says if I am going to be driving over 150 mph increase the cold pressure to 35 psi. I will have to remember that for when I get on the interstates.



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We're very happy with our Michelin Pilot Sport A/S ZP run flats on our 2003 convertible. They are notably quieter than the stock Goodyears, though to be fair the Goodyears are rated at 200 miles flat while the Michelins are only rated at 50 miles. Other than the shortened range, the only downside I see in the Michelins is that they don't break free as smoothly as the Goodyears in wet or uneven pavement.

I took a large nail in the driver's side front at about 15k miles on the Goodyears, with a resulting total loss of pressure. I backed off to 50 mph, put the hazards on, and drove straight to the dealer (about 10 miles). It sounded horrible and of course the DIC was yelling at me. The dealer saved the tire - we ended up getting another 20k or so out of the set (Ivelis had actually burned the rears more than the fronts ).

Folks who thinks any C5 with run flats is rough riding should try an early C4 Z51 with "normal" tires for comparison ...
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Thanks for the info on how far you can run the tires. I should read the stuff that came with the tires.......

Back in 92 or 93 we had an 88 Z51 and met up with the bunch running from Sioux Falls out to Spearfish. Before they left they drilled a hole the size of a penny in a new revelutionary tire that did not need air to run on. We all shook our heads thinking that's stupid.......They ran slower than the rest of us but went all the way on that tire. Almost 400 miles. They were already planning what we use today....

You are right about the ride of the Z51. After having that car when I found the 90 I have now the first thing I did was check to make sure it was NOT a Z51.
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Yea that's one difference between the Goodyears and the Michelins.
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Bill, you got me curious. I went out and checked the label on the driver's door edge and the owner's manual. The label says 30psi front and rear.


No chit? That's wild. I wonder which year that change was made. My door says 35.

And at 32 my car wonders all over the road, @35 it stays straight on the grooves,etc.

Definately go with your door/manual.

I still think 30 is a bit low but I won't argue with GM.

Lower pressures build up heat, aren't good for the cords,etc. I'm going have to do some digging.

I'm glad you looked at the door.
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me too , no way am i putting a doughnut on my car . AAA premier towing helps too
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