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bogus Serious Car Audio Geek Speak Within... You have been warned...
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah
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Ok... I should just say... Ok, Jeff... here is my latest brain drain plan.

I currently have, in my possession, to JL Audio 8W7 subs. These things only weigh about 900 lbs each or something. They are power hogs, so I am in search for a 1000 watt Fosgate or something like that to properly drive them.

My current amp is a JL Audio 500/5:

1x250 - sub
2x25 - rear fill
2x100 - front stage

Check the manual:

http://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/m ... /500_5_MAN.pdf?1305783844

Here is my thought... get the 1000w amp for the subs. Easy.

Then use the 5 channel to run the front stage, using the built in crossovers.

the 1x250, run the 6" midbass as mono bass drivers, cranking the crossover up to 200 hz and killing the slope, if that sounds funky, then run the 12db slope and see how it works.

The rear fill is perfect for a tweeter. And the front stage for the mid-ranges.

Or am I over thinking this? My other thought would be a 6 channel amp, where all six are at the same output level.

Thoughts?
Posted on: 2012/5/7 7:56
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My 2 cents is that rear fill can really confuse your brain and sometimes make the audio experience less enjoyable. The output level isn't really what aligns everything for you...the directionality and timing play a huge roll too. High frequencies from the rear fill and mid frequencies from the front, from two different amps...sounds like a shooting gallery. You can't tell where each shot is fired from.

When you go to a concert, do you sit backwards? That's kind of the "keep it simple" philosophy I have always used. In a Corvette with the really tiny cabin we have to work with, I design the systems to be very simple and minimalistic. I still build with strong low frequencies and plenty of mids and highs.

I like the sub choice. See if you can make an enclosure that makes them happy being sealed up. I have always preferred sealed to ported. Don't over think it, just get a 1 or 2 channel amp and show them what they are rated for.

For fronts, again, keep it simple. Get a good high quality component set and go active with the front. 4 channel amp, run the mid drivers and the tweeters as 4 different drivers. Keep the tweeters close to the drivers and really be considerate about their placement and aim.

Control them with the head unit EQ or use an inline EQ and hide it between tuning.

That's about it really. You'll get your highs, mids, and lows and you'll have all the adjustability you need while still building a very simple system.
Posted on: 2012/5/7 11:43
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j3studio Re: Serious Car Audio Geek Speak Within... You have been warned...
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Yep, Andy - you are right: that is geeky. I'm only that geeky with the home system. Just for your amusement (and because you already got a good response), our three Corvettes and their sound systems:

1) 1985: Stock and completely functional Delco-Bose (radio, cassette) - never listened to except during judging or when preparing for judging (when I drive the car I feel I need to hear if anything is falling off it).

2) 2003: Stock (except for iPod2Car interface) powerful but unrefined Bose (radio, cassette, 12 CD changer) which I will confirm can be heard clearly with the top down at 80 mph (which seems to have been it's design brief). Used mostly on long road trips.

3) 2012: Stock but finally respectable Bose (radio, single CD, native and usable iPod input), upgraded for 2012. Now nine speakers. Still no sub-woofer, but two improved 10-inch woofers. Ivelis uses the stereo a lot more than I do and she really likes it.
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bogus Re: Serious Car Audio Geek Speak Within... You have been warned...
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Durango_Boy wrote:
My 2 cents is that rear fill can really confuse your brain and sometimes make the audio experience less enjoyable. The output level isn't really what aligns everything for you...the directionality and timing play a huge roll too. High frequencies from the rear fill and mid frequencies from the front, from two different amps...sounds like a shooting gallery. You can't tell where each shot is fired from.

When you go to a concert, do you sit backwards? That's kind of the "keep it simple" philosophy I have always used. In a Corvette with the really tiny cabin we have to work with, I design the systems to be very simple and minimalistic. I still build with strong low frequencies and plenty of mids and highs.

I like the sub choice. See if you can make an enclosure that makes them happy being sealed up. I have always preferred sealed to ported. Don't over think it, just get a 1 or 2 channel amp and show them what they are rated for.

For fronts, again, keep it simple. Get a good high quality component set and go active with the front. 4 channel amp, run the mid drivers and the tweeters as 4 different drivers. Keep the tweeters close to the drivers and really be considerate about their placement and aim.

Control them with the head unit EQ or use an inline EQ and hide it between tuning.

That's about it really. You'll get your highs, mids, and lows and you'll have all the adjustability you need while still building a very simple system.


I have no intent on using rear fill - at all. Period. Zero.

The front stage is currently a passively controlled set of Canton 3-ways. 6" mid bass, 4" mid range and 1" tweet.

I am thinking of actively controlling that via the 5 channel amp.

I have been toying with finding the right active crossover to control all of this, however, I haven't found it yet.

And it will require, to be done right, a multiband inline preamp EQ... well the xover would be preamp, too.
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j3studio wrote:
Yep, Andy - you are right: that is geeky. I'm only that geeky with the home system. Just for your amusement (and because you already got a good response), our three Corvettes and their sound systems:

1) 1985: Stock and completely functional Delco-Bose (radio, cassette) - never listened to except during judging or when preparing for judging (when I drive the car I feel I need to hear if anything is falling off it).

2) 2003: Stock (except for iPod2Car interface) powerful but unrefined Bose (radio, cassette, 12 CD changer) which I will confirm can be heard clearly with the top down at 80 mph (which seems to have been it's design brief). Used mostly on long road trips.

3) 2012: Stock but finally respectable Bose (radio, single CD, native and usable iPod input), upgraded for 2012. Now nine speakers. Still no sub-woofer, but two improved 10-inch woofers. Ivelis uses the stereo a lot more than I do and she really likes it.


J3 - thanks for your input. I was a bit curious on the SQ of the newer Bose systems. I have heard there had been improvements, but I haven't heard them yet.
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To give you a good answer, I'm bringing out my previous self (cira early 1990's)...

Defiantly get the Fosgate 1K, bridge that SOB, run your (2) JL Audio 8W7's parallel, pop in Money Aint Nothin by Gucci Mane and let the bump in yo trunk out!!

You'll never notice one way or the other what your mids and highs sound like....
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Posted on: 2012/5/8 0:54
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You do make a good point there... won't hear'm...
Posted on: 2012/5/8 2:12
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Sorry Andy,

Been out of touch with many things corvette for the last couple of months..

I would take Durango boy's suggestions. I have honestly thought of going to a 2-way myself but just have not had any time to mess with the car or system.. I do want to do some stuff this winter if time allows.. anyway

If you end up keeping the 3-way system go with 6 channels for it instead of 5, I think you will find it better when adjusting everything

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This is on hold... I am going to get new amps, but not yet... my pressing concern is that the Alpine 7998 head unit has started its slow death. the LCD display has gone dark. A common problem... but one that Alpine no longer fixes. Those shit heads. I am not buying Alpine again. I hate their (lack of) customer service.

Check my other thread on head units...
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