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bogus | Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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I am not done, yet... but...
There is a heater line restrictor that feeds the heater core and controls flow. This little plastic cylinder doesn't last forever... mine lasted 24 years and 214k miles. Mine had, apparently, been weeping for sometime... became a full on leak last week. It only takes 10 minutes to swap. I will post a pic of what my dead one looks like, but in short, the nipples on the in/out flows were all but gone. A new one is about $20, shipped, from RockAuto.com. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/28 16:15
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Many thanks.......looking forward to the photo, and the part # from RockAuto. Any thoughts as to what causes the deterioration..... time and/or usage of heater? EDIT: Is this the part: ACDELCO 155423 {#10157988} GM Original Equipment Info Water Flow Control Valve; EXC HOSE ? https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=84518&cc=1041310&jsn=10 Any reason not to use this part.....$8.00 vs. $16.00? Just a piece of plastic (?) https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.p ... 5489&cc=1041310&jsn=10435 |
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Posted on: 2016/7/28 16:43
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BrianCunningham | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Thanks
Did not know that. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/28 20:28
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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I posed my question about cause of part deterioration before I learned it
was plastic. I'm sure any plastic will become brittle with time, but, now, I'm interested to know if proper coolant maintenance might have prevented the eroded nipples? Andy, was the coolant changed as required? Note: I ordered the $8.00 part from RockAuto. At 84, I'm not concerned with longevity. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/28 21:32
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pianoguy | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Thanks, Andy! I don't recall if my heater hose kit came with a new one when I installed it several years back.
Don, I'll bet you won't have to worry about replacing the $8 part until you're at least 100 ;-) |
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Posted on: 2016/7/29 0:26
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Not so sure, pianoguy, Andy was a tad shy on particulars. He wrote that his part lasted 24 years. What he meant it was 'replaced' after 24 years. We don't know when it started leaking (on jack stands?). |
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Posted on: 2016/7/29 9:56
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GOLDCYLON | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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The short answer is NO and it holding to almost 215k miles is amazing. Parts wear out due to both time and use. I have seen many low mile cars that without regular use that part will age equally as well. Then fail. Coolant quality certainly may have been a factor as well. GC |
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Posted on: 2016/7/29 22:12
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bogus | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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It is plastic... but it is in a hostile environment.
I don't think coolant condition would effect plastics as much as it effects metal. There isn't the same chemistry. Think about it... plastics are more effected by temperature changes than anything else. Toss in the corrosive effects of coolant, under pressure, erosion is going to happen. Coolant lives near boiling point. That can't be good... when a part is exposed to such an extreme range - below zero all the way up to 230F. This is simply a replacement part. There is no avoiding it. And as these cars age, this is a likely replacement. I decided to go with the GM part because the last one lasted. I don't know if the other brands use the same plastic, and I don't want to risk the part blowing apart at some point. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/30 5:18
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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............................................ Thanks, Andy. No quarrel with your analysis. Re the GM brand..... we don't know if it is the same part/composition made by the same manufacturer. Does ACDelco make any parts, or just package parts with the ACDelco name on the box? I'm quite aware that ACDelco markets many (all (?)) parts boxed with the ACDelco name on the box $16 vs $8 is not a big deal, except if the $8 part is inferior. I will replace mine, and post a photo of the original part for comparison to your heater valve restrictor (same age - 1992 - mileage is 67600). I cannot vouch for coolant changes prior to my ownership - 09/12/2012 - mileage: 63677. I'm just aware that the coolant appeared not to have ever been changed (?). Might be more than we need to know: http://www.semos.dk/Per/41653/download/Managing%20corrosion.pdf |
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BillH | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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A $0.05 piece of copper tubing will do the job if you don't plan to use the heater muck.
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Posted on: 2016/7/30 15:45
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Agreed, Bill......my concern would be with the function of the part....'restrictor'. What does that part do? Something happens in the barrel of that part. I will soon learn. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/30 15:50
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BillH | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Don, that part is just a flow restrictor to slow down coolant flow thru the heater core so more heat can be extracted in the heater box. It's just a plastic tube with a smaller hole in it. I'd have to go look but I think I threw mine away years ago. But then, I think I've only turned the heater on once in the last 7 years. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/30 16:08
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Andy, out of curiosity, I searched numerous sources selling this part (74795). All sites searched (15+/-) showed Four Seasons as the supplie/maker(?) of this part. No site suggested/mentioned ACDelco. It may follow that ACDelco just puts this part in their box, as they do with many parts, and increases the price (?). I'm not recommending a part, just passing along some basic info. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/31 1:18
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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Right you are Bill...... my part arrived from RockAuto today, and the IDs of the hose nipples are ½", and the inside hole diameter is 3/16". As you suggest, it is just a plastic tube with a smaller hole located in the barrel. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/31 1:45
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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OK, Andy, I'm an idiot..... the reason Four Seasons showed as the supplier of this part is due to my searching for part 74795, which is a Four Seasons part #. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/31 3:10
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donhall | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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After further study of this part, I discovered that the coolant that doesn't pass through the small hole, is diverted to/through the barrel, eventually joining with the coolant passing through the small hole. I'm guessing that there is a slight delay of coolant flow, but not much. It is a little more complex than just a smaller hole. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/31 3:47
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bogus | Re: Yo, LT1/4 owners... Maintenance Alert! | ||
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well... it is a flow restrictor. That makes sense, really. Good find on the details!
Here is the score when it comes to car parts... Two firms, same factory. This happens a lot, really. Firm one specs XYZ materials; firm 2 specs ABC materials. Let's say ABC is better. As long as the factory is ethical, then they will make it with the better material. This is why a brand name can really mean a lot. |
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Posted on: 2016/7/31 19:26
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