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dan0617 Transmission question
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Maybe a question for Pete, maybe others know, maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know. I know my stock trans likely won't survive much longer as I am shooting for mid 10's in the 1/4 this year and truly should be able to reach that goal. Question: If I wanted to buy a new or a used 700R4 that has been beefed up, what do I get so that it bolts right in to a '89 vette? Is it only the C4 specific 700R4's that will bolt in because of the tailshaft? I really don't want to get into swapping my stock tailshaft onto a new or a used trans.

Anyone have a beefed up 700R4 that will bolt right into my car, will work with my converter (that works with my stock trans and is a lock-up converter), and has an automatic valvebody that they are interested in selling?

Just thought I'd throw it out there.
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Maybe a question for Pete, maybe others know, maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know. I know my stock trans likely won't survive much longer as I am shooting for mid 10's in the 1/4 this year and truly should be able to reach that goal. Question: If I wanted to buy a new or a used 700R4 that has been beefed up, what do I get so that it bolts right in to a '89 vette? Is it only the C4 specific 700R4's that will bolt in because of the tailshaft? I really don't want to get into swapping my stock tailshaft onto a new or a used trans.

Anyone have a beefed up 700R4 that will bolt right into my car, will work with my converter (that works with my stock trans and is a lock-up converter), and has an automatic valvebody that they are interested in selling?

Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Corvette has a unique case, valve body and tailhousing. A typical 700 can be adapted, but the builder must know what he is doing to properly achieve it.

If you ask 10 builders what they recommend for a mid 10 second 700r4, 7 would say it can't be done, and the remaining 3 will have specific recipes for getting it built right. All 3 will likely disagree on the build content.

When you find the guy willing to help, I recommend discussing:
max rpm you will spin
converter that will be used
rear gearing
hp and torque you will be tossing at it
Power adder used

With the above info, the builder will cater to your needs.
When I was b uilding them, that was where I hung my hat. Custom built to suit the car, not an off the shelf, 1 size fits all unit.

Sorry I was not more specific, but the best I can do for now.
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Can't your tranny body be used in a beefed up rebuild? Just wondering ....
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Can't your tranny body be used in a beefed up rebuild? Just wondering ....


Yes
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Try Bowtie Overdrives. I bought a trans from them a while ago and they were a pleasure to deal with. Not sure if they do transmissions of the type you are looking for but they were very reasonable.

http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/index.shtml
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If you pick up a core from an 88-92 van, car or pick up, I could assist in the mods.
You can reuse the servo governor and valve body from your trans. These are easily removed and swapped to the core. I can sell you a reconditioned tailhousing, and if you mail me the core's output shaft, I could mod it for you.
Depending on your timeframe, I may be able to assist quite a bit.
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Thanks guys! Haven't found anything yet and not sure exactly what direction to go just yet. I just want a fairly inexpensive 700r4 that will hold up for me. I am not a builder but it has to be doable if I have a stock one with 98000 miles holding up to low/mid 11's and alot of beating on the street. I would like to buy one and install it rather than send mine out to be rebuilt. I have a 2800 stall converter and would like to keep it, going higher on the stall would likely kill the D36 quicker.

Build is a fairly stout 383 spinning to about 6300 rpms. Spraying a 200 shot. Might in the future build a 434 and spin up higher, closer to 6800.

Should I be looking into a TH350 or TH400 swap or will the 700r4 hold up if done right? I'm not going bracket racing or making 100's of passes every year, probably looking at 20 passes a year and maybe 1500 miles a year, with some hammering on the street.

Pete, name your price and BUILD ME ONE!
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BTW, nice avatar Pete, but I liked the old one better!!
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Thanks guys! Haven't found anything yet and not sure exactly what direction to go just yet. I just want a fairly inexpensive 700r4 that will hold up for me. I am not a builder but it has to be doable if I have a stock one with 98000 miles holding up to low/mid 11's and alot of beating on the street. I would like to buy one and install it rather than send mine out to be rebuilt. I have a 2800 stall converter and would like to keep it, going higher on the stall would likely kill the D36 quicker.

Build is a fairly stout 383 spinning to about 6300 rpms. Spraying a 200 shot. Might in the future build a 434 and spin up higher, closer to 6800.

Should I be looking into a TH350 or TH400 swap or will the 700r4 hold up if done right? I'm not going bracket racing or making 100's of passes every year, probably looking at 20 passes a year and maybe 1500 miles a year, with some hammering on the street.

Pete, name your price and BUILD ME ONE!


The 700 will hold up if done right.
If you are running a stock size 12 inch converter, it will be a liability. Speaking from experience, it typically takes 30-50 runs to sufficiently balloon a 12 inch converter to kill it, and possibly take the trans out too. If you are running a 9.5 incher with an anti balloon plate, disregard.
I come back to Pa 2 weekends a month, and could likely build one, but my problem is cores. I have none currently, and zero chance I could aquire any. I mapquested you to see how far away you are from Nanticoke, Pa, and you are 2 hrs 45 minutes . This makes it very difficult to get yours and build it.
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The converter I'm running is a TCS 2800 stall and it does have an anti-balloon plate for nitrous use. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking. I was told they do that so they can run the larger sized lock-up clutch but the smaller sized internals or whatever in the front. I know little about it, but I know it is the only converter I ever saw that had the larger sized back welded to the smaller sized front.

Pete, depending on how long you think it would take you to do it and how much cabbage it would cost me, I would be willing to drive my trans to you, then come back and pick it up when it is done. If the rebuild could be done in 1 day it would save me 1 trip but I'm assuming that isn't possible. Again, I have no clue when it comes to trans rebuilds.

The best deals I've seen so far are ones that are advertised to hold up to about 700 hp for about $1200. I have no clue what it would cost to have mine built up, but at least I know it would fit right in when I brought it back home.
Posted on: 2008/12/30 17:42
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On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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The converter I'm running is a TCS 2800 stall and it does have an anti-balloon plate for nitrous use. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking. I was told they do that so they can run the larger sized lock-up clutch but the smaller sized internals or whatever in the front. I know little about it, but I know it is the only converter I ever saw that had the larger sized back welded to the smaller sized front.

Pete, depending on how long you think it would take you to do it and how much cabbage it would cost me, I would be willing to drive my trans to you, then come back and pick it up when it is done. If the rebuild could be done in 1 day it would save me 1 trip but I'm assuming that isn't possible. Again, I have no clue when it comes to trans rebuilds.

The best deals I've seen so far are ones that are advertised to hold up to about 700 hp for about $1200. I have no clue what it would cost to have mine built up, but at least I know it would fit right in when I brought it back home.

Dan,
Dont put a whole lot of stock in the 700 hp for $1200 advertising.
In my opinion, that is not possible from a trans shop that must profit to stay open.
I have more than that in parts(at my cost) in my bad boy back up unit.
I usually try to get $350 labor to completely go through one, and I often have 20 hours in it.
Let check on parts, and my schedule to see if we can do something before the snow melts.
In the meanwhile, keep exploring your options in case I cannot come through in a timely manner.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?

That is Mad Dog Lou
Do a search on Mad Dog Transmissions and you will have alot to read. He is a legend, and had been accused of every kind of wrong doing I have ever heard. No personal experience though.

He has been selling transmissions for less money than I buy the parts for.
Sami85l98 saw him (re)rebuild his transmission in 3 hours. That included removal, replacement, overhaul, multiple governor changes and 6 or more 5 mile test drives.
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I'll have to search some. Just ran across that ad last night. I was surprised to see 100% positive feedback and most all of the feedback was from 700r4 transmissions. If he works as quickly as what you said he must hurry his work though. I have trouble getting my car on jackstands in 3 hours.
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On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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in my bad boy back up unit.


What exactly is this "bad boy back up unit"? Fit my car? Hold up to mid 10's? Work with my converter and my governor? Automatic valve body with firm shifts? See where I'm going here?
Posted on: 2008/12/30 20:39
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On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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I'll have to search some. Just ran across that ad last night. I was surprised to see 100% positive feedback and most all of the feedback was from 700r4 transmissions. If he works as quickly as what you said he must hurry his work though. I have trouble getting my car on jackstands in 3 hours.

As I understand the rumor mill, he bankrupted his Tarpon Springs Florida location, and relocated to the Atlanta area.
I was inside one of his failed transmissions, and that unit did not contain the parts on the receipt.
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in my bad boy back up unit.


What exactly is this "bad boy back up unit"? Fit my car? Hold up to mid 10's? Work with my converter and my governor? Automatic valve body with firm shifts? See where I'm going here?

It would.I built it to handle anything I could throw at it.
90 case with 5 pinion planetaries, sleeved input shaft, transgo shift kit set on kill, etc, etc, etc.
It would likely be the best possible trans for your current combo, and future large cube combo.
Sadly, I can't sell it though.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?


The guy from the ebay advertisement (Lou) called me this morning to talk about my application, as soon as he heard it, he turned tail and ran on going the 700R4 route, he instead thinks I should upgrade to the 4l80e, which is basically a th400 with an overdrive...... its the 3rd transmission speciality company that turned tail and ran with my application. Most want me to go to a th350 or th400 if I can live without the OD.... but I'm not geared or set-up for that right now and have no intention of changing anything else right now. What scares them is the several hundred passes per year of racing.

If you notice, on that ebay ad, they say on their website, (700 hp with radials).... in otherwords, if you don't hook it up, you'll be fine.
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I thought maybe you would sell it to me, I could come pick it up and at the same time give you my old one as a core, then you could rebuild that one and sell it to Beach, then he could give you his old one as a core and you could rebuild it for your new "bad boy backup unit". That way Beach and I would both be smiling and you would have a penny or 2 from each of us. Plus I'm going out on a limb and guessing you have a few new tricks of the trade you would throw at your new "bad boy backup unit".
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?


The guy from the ebay advertisement (Lou) called me this morning to talk about my application, as soon as he heard it, he turned tail and ran on going the 700R4 route, he instead thinks I should upgrade to the 4l80e, which is basically a th400 with an overdrive...... its the 3rd transmission speciality company that turned tail and ran with my application. Most want me to go to a th350 or th400 if I can live without the OD.... but I'm not geared or set-up for that right now and have no intention of changing anything else right now. What scares them is the several hundred passes per year of racing.

If you notice, on that ebay ad, they say on their website, (700 hp with radials).... in otherwords, if you don't hook it up, you'll be fine.


You are at the realistic limit of what a 700 can be built to take, and anyone that is selling one with a warrantee attached will be nervous. I was lucky, and never had to warrantee one. Too many variables.
I think you will have your best luck with a local guy who will use a select set of overhaul and upgrade parts. Every builder has their recipes for success.
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I was inside one of his failed transmissions, and that unit did not contain the parts on the receipt.


That is what worries me the most. I'm all for a good deal but if he is basically just stock rebuilding and adding a couple of better parts and giving a big long list of durable parts that he really doesn't use then that is a big problem.
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On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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I was inside one of his failed transmissions, and that unit did not contain the parts on the receipt.


That is what worries me the most. I'm all for a good deal but if he is basically just stock rebuilding and adding a couple of better parts and giving a big long list of durable parts that he really doesn't use then that is a big problem.


The general public does not trust anyone wrenching on their car. I don't agree with it, but that is a sad fact. Part of the reason is because there are so many dishonest transmission repair people out there. Almost no one will take a trans apart to verify content, thus it is very easy for a dishonest shop to fix them cheaply, and call them overhauled or performance built. This has affected me directly more than once, and I decided to build my own ever since.
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I thought maybe you would sell it to me, I could come pick it up and at the same time give you my old one as a core, then you could rebuild that one and sell it to Beach, then he could give you his old one as a core and you could rebuild it for your new "bad boy backup unit". That way Beach and I would both be smiling and you would have a penny or 2 from each of us. Plus I'm going out on a limb and guessing you have a few new tricks of the trade you would throw at your new "bad boy backup unit".


I'm not against that !! Pete, quit your dayjob, put your wife too work and you can build transmissions just for the love of it.... cuz we're not paying you. :toothy5:

Actually, I would pay good coin for one, right now. I'm not waiting, I'm buying something from somebody this week or next week at the latest....and I'm not afraid to spend 2k+.... but I don't want too, but will.

But, as a note, I don't have a core, it went with the old stroker motor..... but most don't require one, just means you pay an extra 100 or whatever, which I'm good with.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?


The guy from the ebay advertisement (Lou) called me this morning to talk about my application, as soon as he heard it, he turned tail and ran on going the 700R4 route, he instead thinks I should upgrade to the 4l80e, which is basically a th400 with an overdrive...... its the 3rd transmission speciality company that turned tail and ran with my application. Most want me to go to a th350 or th400 if I can live without the OD.... but I'm not geared or set-up for that right now and have no intention of changing anything else right now. What scares them is the several hundred passes per year of racing.

If you notice, on that ebay ad, they say on their website, (700 hp with radials).... in otherwords, if you don't hook it up, you'll be fine.


You are at the realistic limit of what a 700 can be built to take, and anyone that is selling one with a warrantee attached will be nervous. I was lucky, and never had to warrantee one. Too many variables.
I think you will have your best luck with a local guy who will use a select set of overhaul and upgrade parts. Every builder has their recipes for success.


You really think so ? My engine build is very mild....436 sbc with a hyd roller cam, motor will not see the north side of 6200 rpm..... I'm estimating 540-580 HP...... and only around 520-540 peak ftlbs.

As a note, my last transmission "literally" lasted approxmiately 1000 passes, 11 seconds at a time, 1.5x 60 fts, and saw over 50k street miles on top of that. That transmission was simply a rebuilt bone stock 90 700R4.... I don't know what it came out of it. The guy who built it, built them for a living, and he knew my application and was confident it would last for years.... and it did. Never failed.... I'm sorry its gone. That old motor was a little under 450 HP, but did have close to 500 ftlbs of torque considering it was a Superram 383 motor..... my point, all I am doing is adding 20-40 ftlbs of torque and another 100 or so HP..... I would think something could be built for it.... but maybe not, I dunno.
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I'm starting my motor pull next weekend. Hopefully by mid January I'll be putting the new one in. Would like to swap the trans while the motor is out. Could wait to late January or early February but by March 1st I need the car to be up and running and out of the garage. I am ready to drop about $1500 if necessary for a good built 700r4 and I don't need a converter with it. Was hoping to pay more like $1000 or $1200 but for the right unit $$$???
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I was inside one of his failed transmissions, and that unit did not contain the parts on the receipt.


That is what worries me the most. I'm all for a good deal but if he is basically just stock rebuilding and adding a couple of better parts and giving a big long list of durable parts that he really doesn't use then that is a big problem.


The general public does not trust anyone wrenching on their car. I don't agree with it, but that is a sad fact. Part of the reason is because there are so many dishonest transmission repair people out there. Almost no one will take a trans apart to verify content, thus it is very easy for a dishonest shop to fix them cheaply, and call them overhauled or performance built. This has affected me directly more than once, and I decided to build my own ever since.


If it comes to it, I'll do it myself too.... albeit, I've never done it before, its about the only thing I don't do myself these days, and thats only because I don't have the time to teach myself right now.

I'm committed to having my racecar on the track by this time next month.... don't know if I will do it, but will be February at the latest.
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You really think so ? My engine build is very mild....436 sbc with a hyd roller cam, motor will not see the north side of 6200 rpm..... I'm estimating 540-580 HP...... and only around 520-540 peak ftlbs.

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Hey Beach, off topic but, as a side note, what heads/cam/intake combo are you running on the 436? I don't know your combo.
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I know a local trans shop that has a superb history of rebuilding stock transmissions, but he won't do a performance rebuild. He says he doesn't know enough about the performance parts to be able to do it for me and sleep at night knowing he did the right thing for me. That is a stand up guy IMO. He has done work for me on other cars in the past and has always done great. So basically I have that local connection at a trans shop that everyone wants, just not for the 'vette.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700 ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

That is a link to the ebay auction for the one I was talking about. Price seemed too good to be true for a trans with converter that would stand up to 700 hp. Don't worry, I'm not ready to click the "buy it now", I'm just shopping around at this point. Is he listing the right parts and it is just a question of whether they are actually in there or not, or his parts list missing something? Or is he using not good parts?


The guy from the ebay advertisement (Lou) called me this morning to talk about my application, as soon as he heard it, he turned tail and ran on going the 700R4 route, he instead thinks I should upgrade to the 4l80e, which is basically a th400 with an overdrive...... its the 3rd transmission speciality company that turned tail and ran with my application. Most want me to go to a th350 or th400 if I can live without the OD.... but I'm not geared or set-up for that right now and have no intention of changing anything else right now. What scares them is the several hundred passes per year of racing.

If you notice, on that ebay ad, they say on their website, (700 hp with radials).... in otherwords, if you don't hook it up, you'll be fine.


You are at the realistic limit of what a 700 can be built to take, and anyone that is selling one with a warrantee attached will be nervous. I was lucky, and never had to warrantee one. Too many variables.
I think you will have your best luck with a local guy who will use a select set of overhaul and upgrade parts. Every builder has their recipes for success.


You really think so ? My engine build is very mild....436 sbc with a hyd roller cam, motor will not see the north side of 6200 rpm..... I'm estimating 540-580 HP...... and only around 520-540 peak ftlbs.

As a note, my last transmission "literally" lasted approxmiately 1000 passes, 11 seconds at a time, 1.5x 60 fts, and saw over 50k street miles on top of that. That transmission was simply a rebuilt bone stock 90 700R4.... I don't know what it came out of it. The guy who built it, built them for a living, and he knew my application and was confident it would last for years.... and it did. Never failed.... I'm sorry its gone. That old motor was a little under 450 HP, but did have close to 500 ftlbs of torque considering it was a Superram 383 motor..... my point, all I am doing is adding 20-40 ftlbs of torque and another 100 or so HP..... I would think something could be built for it.... but maybe not, I dunno.

I thought you were shooting for mid to low 10's. Your goals are reasonable (imho) for a 700r4. They hold up well until the 60' times drop well into the 1.4 range.
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I know a local trans shop that has a superb history of rebuilding stock transmissions, but he won't do a performance rebuild. He says he doesn't know enough about the performance parts to be able to do it for me and sleep at night knowing he did the right thing for me. That is a stand up guy IMO. He has done work for me on other cars in the past and has always done great. So basically I have that local connection at a trans shop that everyone wants, just not for the 'vette.

That is the type of guy you want. If he does his best, it will live. If he is willing to do it, I can help with a list of recommendations to assist. My parts recommendation and his attention to detail will be fine. If he is honest, waive the warrantee. He will know the difference between breaking it from abuse, or his workmanship failing. Anyone honest would fix it if it is their shortcoming.
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I thought you were shooting for mid to low 10's. Your goals are reasonable (imho) for a 700r4. They hold up well until the 60' times drop well into the 1.4 range.


I'm shooting for mid 10's, not sure what Beach is shooting for. I'm going to talk him into a 200 shot so you might as well factor that into his timeslip once he gives you his goals.
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That is the type of guy you want. If he does his best, it will live. If he is willing to do it, I can help with a list of recommendations to assist. My parts recommendation and his attention to detail will be fine. If he is honest, waive the warrantee. He will know the difference between breaking it from abuse, or his workmanship failing. Anyone honest would fix it if it is their shortcoming.


I honestly don't think he will do it. Wish he would though. He told me to buy a trans and he would install it for dirt cheap. I will take him up on that if I happen to lose my trans in the middle of Corvette season as I don't have a garage in the summer to work in. I would waive the warranty on any trans I'm putting this much power through and not bat an eye about it. It is part of the risk with a powerful car.
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You really think so ? My engine build is very mild....436 sbc with a hyd roller cam, motor will not see the north side of 6200 rpm..... I'm estimating 540-580 HP...... and only around 520-540 peak ftlbs.

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Hey Beach, off topic but, as a side note, what heads/cam/intake combo are you running on the 436? I don't know your combo.


AFR 227 comp ported, hyd roller 238/246, Miniram...... cam might be changing though, I'll be deciding in the next few days even though that one is already degreed in.

I was quietly waiting on the new AFR 235's, but looks like March for those I think, so I'm going with the 227's instead.... which probably not much of a difference anyway considering my mild cam. But, I'm only going to run it like this for a season or two.... I'll be bumping up to a solid roller and increased compression and shooting for 750 HP after I put a solid rear in it.
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I know a local trans shop that has a superb history of rebuilding stock transmissions, but he won't do a performance rebuild. He says he doesn't know enough about the performance parts to be able to do it for me and sleep at night knowing he did the right thing for me. That is a stand up guy IMO. He has done work for me on other cars in the past and has always done great. So basically I have that local connection at a trans shop that everyone wants, just not for the 'vette.

That is the type of guy you want. If he does his best, it will live. If he is willing to do it, I can help with a list of recommendations to assist. My parts recommendation and his attention to detail will be fine. If he is honest, waive the warrantee. He will know the difference between breaking it from abuse, or his workmanship failing. Anyone honest would fix it if it is their shortcoming.


I agree..... finding somebody you can trust and communicate with you is the first goal. I am being honest with everybody that I am having quote me, and not trying to hide the fact that it'll be raced hard. I want them to know....and I expect them to be honest with me.
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I'm starting my motor pull next weekend. Hopefully by mid January I'll be putting the new one in. Would like to swap the trans while the motor is out. Could wait to late January or early February but by March 1st I need the car to be up and running and out of the garage. I am ready to drop about $1500 if necessary for a good built 700r4 and I don't need a converter with it. Was hoping to pay more like $1000 or $1200 but for the right unit $$$???


$1000-$1200 is very doable for what you are looking for, assuming you do not purchase one outright.Using your core if possible will save you money, especially if it is working fine now(no busted hardparts)
Let me make a list and see what my opinional parts prices are.
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I thought you were shooting for mid to low 10's. Your goals are reasonable (imho) for a 700r4. They hold up well until the 60' times drop well into the 1.4 range.


I am.... and I expect to eventually be in the 1.3's.... but not at first, converter is a little tight just because of the 700R4 and D44 weakness's..... we'll see I guess.
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I thought you were shooting for mid to low 10's. Your goals are reasonable (imho) for a 700r4. They hold up well until the 60' times drop well into the 1.4 range.


I am.... and I expect to eventually be in the 1.3's.... but not at first, converter is a little tight just because of the 700R4 and D44 weakness's..... we'll see I guess.

I have a few transmissions out there cutting mid 1.4 60's, but not sure if I have any that are in the 1.3's.
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I'm starting my motor pull next weekend. Hopefully by mid January I'll be putting the new one in. Would like to swap the trans while the motor is out. Could wait to late January or early February but by March 1st I need the car to be up and running and out of the garage. I am ready to drop about $1500 if necessary for a good built 700r4 and I don't need a converter with it. Was hoping to pay more like $1000 or $1200 but for the right unit $$$???


$1000-$1200 is very doable for what you are looking for.
Let me make a list and see what my opinional parts prices are.


Thanks Pete! A few things you might (or might not) need to know as you make the list:

1. I already have a new governor set up where I want it to shift. Would like to have the part throttle shift points higher but I could never manage to do that through the governor. Anyway, don't worry about a governor, I can put mine back in after the rebuild and I still have the rest of the B+M recal kit and a dremel so I can tweak it if necessary.

2. I have a B+M shift improver kit that I installed myself in my stock valvebody and it seems to work good. Not sure if you were figuring on me re-using my stock valvebody or what when you make the parts list, but I wanted to let you know that my stock valvebody has already been modified. Maybe I won't need a shift kit since I already have this, or mabye I do. I don't know.

3. Already have a tranny cooler installed and working, and you already know I would like to re-use my converter. I already have a new SFI flexplate on the new motor and ARP flexplate and converter bolts.

4. I don't want a manual valvebody or a reverse pattern valvebody or anything like that. I just want normal stock operation with raised part throttle shifts, firm shifts, and WOT shifts at about 6300 rpms (which I can do with the governor).
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I thought you were shooting for mid to low 10's. Your goals are reasonable (imho) for a 700r4. They hold up well until the 60' times drop well into the 1.4 range.


I am.... and I expect to eventually be in the 1.3's.... but not at first, converter is a little tight just because of the 700R4 and D44 weakness's..... we'll see I guess.


1.4 and 1.3 short times

Sounds like you are the one that needs the "bad boy backup unit"
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I'm starting my motor pull next weekend. Hopefully by mid January I'll be putting the new one in. Would like to swap the trans while the motor is out. Could wait to late January or early February but by March 1st I need the car to be up and running and out of the garage. I am ready to drop about $1500 if necessary for a good built 700r4 and I don't need a converter with it. Was hoping to pay more like $1000 or $1200 but for the right unit $$$???


$1000-$1200 is very doable for what you are looking for.
Let me make a list and see what my opinional parts prices are.


Thanks Pete! A few things you might (or might not) need to know as you make the list:

1. I already have a new governor set up where I want it to shift. Would like to have the part throttle shift points higher but I could never manage to do that through the governor. Anyway, don't worry about a governor, I can put mine back in after the rebuild and I still have the rest of the B+M recal kit and a dremel so I can tweak it if necessary.

2. I have a B+M shift improver kit that I installed myself in my stock valvebody and it seems to work good. Not sure if you were figuring on me re-using my stock valvebody or what when you make the parts list, but I wanted to let you know that my stock valvebody has already been modified. Maybe I won't need a shift kit since I already have this, or mabye I do. I don't know.

3. Already have a tranny cooler installed and working, and you already know I would like to re-use my converter. I already have a new SFI flexplate on the new motor and ARP flexplate and converter bolts.

4. I don't want a manual valvebody or a reverse pattern valvebody or anything like that. I just want normal stock operation with raised part throttle shifts, firm shifts, and WOT shifts at about 6300 rpms (which I can do with the governor).

I have been using the B&M in my car for years(like 17).
They have a reputation for being shit, but I have had extremely good luck with them.
When I do a normal rebuild, I usually do a complete bushing, teflon, paper, steel, and friction kit.
Even is low power builds, I use:
borg-warner sprag and lo roller clutch.
New vanes in front pump
High rpm slide spring
new accumulator pistons
filter
governor gear
reverse piston orifice
kevlar band
steel pump rings
teflon pump bushing
approx $400 buys everything listed above
(shooting from the hip)


On your unit, all of the above and recommend adding:
Beast reaction shell
raybestos z-pack and matching apply ring
High rev piston return spring kit
3-4 high rev checkball
steel apply pistons (3 input drum) and matching return spring set up.

These add approx $250 in parts, again shooting from the hip.
Vettes already have alot of decent parts from the factory.
Vette servo
283 lo rev valve
.471 boost valve
wot 3-4 upshift valve etc
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So, we are looking at $650 or $700 in parts so far. Is that re-using the input and output shafts? Will they hold up? If there is anything else in question I'd rather pay to replace it now then have to rebuild again. I am eventually going to put a solid rear in the car and spray it off the line, so take that into account too. Sounds like this might end up being do-able for $1000 or $1200.

Let me know what the total price comes out to be and what your schedule looks like. Let me know when you think you could have it done for me. I'd paypal (if that's ok) you the money up front, then bring the trans to you when you are in Nanticoke, then come pick it up when it is done. Would be great if I could end up with a PeteK trans. You would definitely have to come to Beaver to watch me go down the track with it! If you decide your schedule won't allow you to do a trans for me don't worry about it, I appreciate your time and help so far. I still hope you can make it to Beaver sometime this year and have a day of fun.
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I am.... and I expect to eventually be in the 1.3's.... but not at first, converter is a little tight just because of the 700R4 and D44 weakness's..... we'll see I guess.


1.4 and 1.3 short times

Sounds like you are the one that needs the "bad boy backup unit"


I've already been high 1.4's a couple of times with the old motor, although 1.5's were the norm..... 1.4's with the new motor will be easy. But, as most already know, the D44 starts breaking things once you get to mid 1.4's and quicker.
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So, we are looking at $650 or $700 in parts so far. Is that re-using the input and output shafts? Will they hold up? If there is anything else in question I'd rather pay to replace it now then have to rebuild again. I am eventually going to put a solid rear in the car and spray it off the line, so take that into account too. Sounds like this might end up being do-able for $1000 or $1200.

Let me know what the total price comes out to be and what your schedule looks like. Let me know when you think you could have it done for me. I'd paypal (if that's ok) you the money up front, then bring the trans to you when you are in Nanticoke, then come pick it up when it is done. Would be great if I could end up with a PeteK trans. You would definitely have to come to Beaver to watch me go down the track with it! If you decide your schedule won't allow you to do a trans for me don't worry about it, I appreciate your time and help so far. I still hope you can make it to Beaver sometime this year and have a day of fun.


I would consider that too..... but, I would need to find a good core to start with somewhere. I would do all of what you listed, plus pay you for your labor.

Anybody know how much it cost to ship a transmission from Texas to the midwest ?
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So, we are looking at $650 or $700 in parts so far. Is that re-using the input and output shafts? Will they hold up? If there is anything else in question I'd rather pay to replace it now then have to rebuild again. I am eventually going to put a solid rear in the car and spray it off the line, so take that into account too. Sounds like this might end up being do-able for $1000 or $1200.

Let me know what the total price comes out to be and what your schedule looks like. Let me know when you think you could have it done for me. I'd paypal (if that's ok) you the money up front, then bring the trans to you when you are in Nanticoke, then come pick it up when it is done. Would be great if I could end up with a PeteK trans. You would definitely have to come to Beaver to watch me go down the track with it! If you decide your schedule won't allow you to do a trans for me don't worry about it, I appreciate your time and help so far. I still hope you can make it to Beaver sometime this year and have a day of fun.


I would consider that too..... but, I would need to find a good core to start with somewhere. I would do all of what you listed, plus pay you for your labor.

Anybody know how much it cost to ship a transmission from Texas to the midwest ?

Now that DHL is out of business, you are limited to truck freight on a pallet. $200-$300 unless the shipper has a bitchen discount with a shipping company.
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So, we are looking at $650 or $700 in parts so far. Is that re-using the input and output shafts? Will they hold up? If there is anything else in question I'd rather pay to replace it now then have to rebuild again. I am eventually going to put a solid rear in the car and spray it off the line, so take that into account too. Sounds like this might end up being do-able for $1000 or $1200.

Let me know what the total price comes out to be and what your schedule looks like. Let me know when you think you could have it done for me. I'd paypal (if that's ok) you the money up front, then bring the trans to you when you are in Nanticoke, then come pick it up when it is done. Would be great if I could end up with a PeteK trans. You would definitely have to come to Beaver to watch me go down the track with it! If you decide your schedule won't allow you to do a trans for me don't worry about it, I appreciate your time and help so far. I still hope you can make it to Beaver sometime this year and have a day of fun.


The big thing for me to figure out is the logistics. It is a shame, because I enjoy building these things, but travel, and living in New Hampshire is a pain in my ass. I will try to figure it out though.

There is no available aftermaket input or output shafts for a 700r4.
Input shafts can be hardened, but then they become brittle. In my opinion, hardened input shafts is a gimick.
Money is a non issue now, so now worries. I have an idea, and want to look into it before I commit.
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The big thing for me to figure out is the logistics. It is a shame, because I enjoy building these things, but travel, and living in New Hampshire is a pain in my ass. I will try to figure it out though.

There is no available aftermaket input or output shafts for a 700r4.
Input shafts can be hardened, but then they become brittle. In my opinion, hardened input shafts is a gimick.
Money is a non issue now, so now worries. I have an idea, and want to look into it before I commit.


Sounds great. You look into whatever you need to. I know you are a busy man and travel and I wouldn't mind a bit if you decide you can't do it. If it does work out just let me know what you want for everything. I'd like to pay you up front, or at least pay for the parts up front so you aren't money out of pocket at all. I'll gladly pay whatever your going rate is for labor, not looking for a break there. Just looking for a good durable trans!
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´89 Vert, 383, 230/236 cam, AFR 195's, LT Headers, HSR intake, 2800 stall, Zex 200 shot, ET Street Radials, tune by me. Runs were with D36 3.07's.
On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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So, we are looking at $650 or $700 in parts so far. Is that re-using the input and output shafts? Will they hold up? If there is anything else in question I'd rather pay to replace it now then have to rebuild again. I am eventually going to put a solid rear in the car and spray it off the line, so take that into account too. Sounds like this might end up being do-able for $1000 or $1200.

Let me know what the total price comes out to be and what your schedule looks like. Let me know when you think you could have it done for me. I'd paypal (if that's ok) you the money up front, then bring the trans to you when you are in Nanticoke, then come pick it up when it is done. Would be great if I could end up with a PeteK trans. You would definitely have to come to Beaver to watch me go down the track with it! If you decide your schedule won't allow you to do a trans for me don't worry about it, I appreciate your time and help so far. I still hope you can make it to Beaver sometime this year and have a day of fun.


I would consider that too..... but, I would need to find a good core to start with somewhere. I would do all of what you listed, plus pay you for your labor.

Anybody know how much it cost to ship a transmission from Texas to the midwest ?


Beach, I'll keep an eye open for a core for you in this area.
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´89 Vert, 383, 230/236 cam, AFR 195's, LT Headers, HSR intake, 2800 stall, Zex 200 shot, ET Street Radials, tune by me. Runs were with D36 3.07's.
On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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The big thing for me to figure out is the logistics. It is a shame, because I enjoy building these things, but travel, and living in New Hampshire is a pain in my ass. I will try to figure it out though.

There is no available aftermaket input or output shafts for a 700r4.
Input shafts can be hardened, but then they become brittle. In my opinion, hardened input shafts is a gimick.
Money is a non issue now, so now worries. I have an idea, and want to look into it before I commit.


Sounds great. You look into whatever you need to. I know you are a busy man and travel and I wouldn't mind a bit if you decide you can't do it. If it does work out just let me know what you want for everything. I'd like to pay you up front, or at least pay for the parts up front so you aren't money out of pocket at all. I'll gladly pay whatever your going rate is for labor, not looking for a break there. Just looking for a good durable trans!


I have a 1989 trans here that has a bad case, and I robbed the valve body from it.
My thought is that on a return trip back in january, I could completely re-manufacture all the internals. On a latter day, you could bring your trans down, we can disassemble and clean the case, install the new internals, and get you a great build, and be convenient for the both of us. Your valve body, servo, and governor can be swapped over. It may sound a bit "Mickey Mouse", but not at all.
Let me see if I cannot make it possible.
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I've already been high 1.4's a couple of times with the old motor, although 1.5's were the norm..... 1.4's with the new motor will be easy. But, as most already know, the D44 starts breaking things once you get to mid 1.4's and quicker.


My best so far is a 1.71 60ft. It dead hooked. I am hoping to run a 1.6 60ft on motor and not spray the 200 shot till after it shifts to 2nd gear. I think spraying in 1st with my new combo will toast my D36. It has the 3.07 gear so that helps some but I don't think I can run a 1.5X 60ft without risking breakage. I think I'm going to do an Azzato solid rear next year or the year after. He does my tuning, I went to his house this past fall and looked at his setup. It is pretty slick. I laid under his car for about 5 minutes looking at it all. I like it.
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´89 Vert, 383, 230/236 cam, AFR 195's, LT Headers, HSR intake, 2800 stall, Zex 200 shot, ET Street Radials, tune by me. Runs were with D36 3.07's.
On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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I've already been high 1.4's a couple of times with the old motor, although 1.5's were the norm..... 1.4's with the new motor will be easy. But, as most already know, the D44 starts breaking things once you get to mid 1.4's and quicker.


My best so far is a 1.71 60ft. It dead hooked. I am hoping to run a 1.6 60ft on motor and not spray the 200 shot till after it shifts to 2nd gear. I think spraying in 1st with my new combo will toast my D36. It has the 3.07 gear so that helps some but I don't think I can run a 1.5X 60ft without risking breakage. I think I'm going to do an Azzato solid rear next year or the year after. He does my tuning, I went to his house this past fall and looked at his setup. It is pretty slick. I laid under his car for about 5 minutes looking at it all. I like it.


Azzato is an old friend, we've talked a 1000 times about this stuff... and yeah, I'll eventually be getting the same rear.

For many years I raced a Dana 36, albeit that was just with a modified 350, I went to a Dana 44 after I "finally" blew-up the 36.... it lasted, and I'm not exaggerating, 1000 1/4 mile passes before it blew up, all on slicks and running mostly 1.6x at that time. As a note, the Dana 36 did great if you kept it straight, mine finally exploded about 10 feet out on the strip after I had gotten a little squirrely, I feathered the throttle to re-hook up, it did, but I was at an angle, thus pressure on the spiders..... they didn't make it, literally 100 different pieces. But, if I had kept it straight, I think it would have kept right on going.... but not sure.

With your set-up, I think your converter is too tight for the HSR..... I think 2800 is too tight for a superram, let alone an HSR. With your new stroker motor as per your signature, and a 3400 rpm converter, I'm betting you could run low 1.5's on the motor..... add the nitrous and you're well into the 1.4's...... but just guessing.
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