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Danspeed1
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Optimum No Rinse... You be the Judge

I have been waiting for the right time to do a proper write up of this product, but unfortunately NY winters don't leave a lot of time to get things done during the day. Either its blisteringly cold outside, and sunny, or the sun is gone, and its a livable temperature. Today was 30*F outside, but unfortunately it was not as sunny as I had hoped, especially during the after shots. In any event I decided to bust out the ONR and give it a try. Below is my "Initial Impression!"

Test Vehicle: C6 Z51 Corvette

The vehicle I would use to test this product is none other than my new C6 Z51. This I felt would be the perfect vehicle to do use it on for a couple of reasons. First, the paint on the vehicle is in factory perfect shape, so scratches, cracks or chips of any kind, anywhere, but the car is an 05, so it does have some VERY LIGHT swirling. Light enough that if I induce more swirls with this product I WILL NOTICE, but the paint is not Swirl free enough like my Impala SS that I will throw away 30 hours worth of work if I do have a problem with the product. In the spring time, the car will be corrected, probably with one easy pass of Menzerna IP it will be completely swirl free, but currently its not up to my standards which is why i don't mind messing it up more.

The previous owner took very good car of the vehicle in the time that he owned. The owner was a "gold chainer" and this car was a boulevard cruiser from what I can tell. The owner spent more time rubbing wax on it, and picking up hot bitchez with it than anything else. So the vehicle does have "protection" of some sort, but its not 100% swirl free like I would like to see it.

For the past month I have not had any time to get the new plates or drive it, so its been sitting in the driveway at my parents house. Since than it has snowed, rained, and we've had high winds. The car somehow got covered in mud as you can see from the pictures, and their were particles of matter all over it. Car was really filthy.

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance001.jpg[/IMG]

Look Closely and you can see oil and filth all over the paint. Its a black car so its hard to photograph it well, especially on a dark day, but if you look closely you can see the car really is filthy!

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The plate was particularly scummy...

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You can Actually see the dirt in this picture...

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Process

ONR Says that you can literally mix a bucket of ONR and water up and then go to work with a Wool mitt. Even though the car was already swirled, due to the immense amount of soiling on the vehicle I decided that it would be better to "adjust" the process slightly, which if you follow along with my other threads you will realize I am always telling other people not to do.

I measured and mixed 3 gallons of water with 3oz of ONR in a bucket of hot water. Then I got a spray bottle and mixed up hot water with 1oz of ONR, in the spray bottle. ONR does not require any sort of pre-rinse, but i decided that because the vehicle was so heavily soiled I would use the heavy concentration of ONR and water in the bottle to "encapsulate" the dirt particles before I even put the mitt to the paint. Oh, and that's the other adjustment I made; I substituted my wool mitt which I know for a fact induces scratches and substituted it for a Proline Grout Sponge, which over the years has really reduced the amount of micro-marring I was doing to my paint, and almost eliminated swirls altogether.

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance004.jpg[/IMG]
So Here we have it...
3 gallons of hot water mixed with 3oz of ONR
32oz Spray bottle of hot water mixed with 1oz of ONR
A pretty new Proline Grout Sponge

And a used Microfiber. I used an older microfiber because I didn't know what the ONR was going to do to it. In the future I would recommend using a newer, cleaner one, although it didn't make any difference. One thing that's really important in choosing a microfiber is how course or fine it is. Each type has a different purpose, and some are made better than others. Another really important consideration is the other edges of the microfiber. Notice the other edge has a nice soft looking border. On some cheapo microfibers like the type you find at Walmart the ends are "threaded" together using a course thread. That tread is going to induce scratches all over your paint and your going to have no idea why. I like PakShak's microfibers; I have very few problems with them

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance005.jpg[/IMG]

So we are up to the actual process. First, I was very liberal in spraying down the panel with the bottle or ONR Mix I had made. This is not required by any means, but I FELT, It would help act preventing scratches by both lubricating the surface before the sponge touched it, and also encapsulating the dirt ahead of time. ONR is basically a water based lubricant; which supposedly prevents scratching by encapsulating dirt. The dirt is supposed to almost slide away in little balls.

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance011.jpg[/IMG]


The above photo is where the initial surprise came:

First, the dirt actually does encapsulate, you can actually watch little droplets of dirt form on the paint. As they form, they appear to get heavy and then just literally side off the paint!!! Before I could even touch the sponge to the paint 1/2 of the soiling had already slid off! Another thing I noticed was that unlike soap and water, or even just water, which on a waxed surface will form droplets on the surface that will remain stationary, this stuff looks for the quickest path to combine and sheet off the vehicle.

Next it was time for the sponge to kiss the paint...

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance014.jpg[/IMG]

Being able to physically see grit, rocks, sand, and dirt, was making me very nervous. So I carefully pinched the corner of the sponge and dragged it slowly across the paint. I did a small section at a time, and then carefully rang the sponge out in the bucket. I lost my gravel guard to I was really careful not to touch the sponge to the bottom of the bucket. After two small passes you could physically see grim stuck to the pores of the sponge. I have never seen anything like it. The ONR makes the sponge like a dirt magnet.

Once I was satisfied that all the dirt was gone... I wiped it dry.

[IMG]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r97/BG528/2005CorvetteInsurance015.jpg[/IMG]

And there you have it! And the most remarkable part. After doing the entire vehicle, the drying microfiber WAS NOT DIRTY!

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Final Comments on this Product

Overall I am initially very impressed by this product and its capabilities. I would like to give it at least a week before I make my finally determination of whether or not this product is actually what it says it is. It leaves the car with a slick, high gloss finish, and a just waxed feel. This can only lead me to believe that there is some sort of filler within this product. I would like to give the vehicle some more time in the elements, re-inspect the paint for heavy marring or scratches that may have formed after the gloss is gone, and then make my determination on how effective this product is as a daily cleaning solution. Time in the elements will remove the possible fillers that could be hiding heavy swirling and marring that may have been caused by the product.

One thing I really like about the product was how you could visibly watch the "encapsulation of dirt," and could physically see it running off the paint.

In the future, I would probably make a couple of changes to the way I applied ONR. First I would advise following the tried and true, two bucket method of washing because that will help prevent swirls especially when using a product that takes all the dirt off the vehicle and puts it into the wash bucket. Secondly, I will definitely change my wash media more than one time. By the time the wash was done my sponge was garbage and the water was black. Changing the wash media and the water at least once during the duration of the wash will probably help reduce the chance of potential marring.

Finally, I would like to say, even with excellent end results, this is not the be all, and end all when it comes to washing cars, but rather an excellent solution for the winter washer in a cold climate, and the environmentally conscience washer, which we don't have on this site. (Or at least we shouldn't, we all drive V8's after all). I still prefer getting out there in 80*F weather with a hose and a bucket full of soap and water and doing it the "right way." But like I said this is an excellent solution when its too cold to use a hose.

I think its very possible that this stuff really works the way it should, as it left the finish of my vehicle looking stunning. But the fact remains that ANYTIME you wash a car you induce marring; there is no way around it. The idea is to limit marring and scratching as much as possible, and in between continue to correct it. The way my sponge and bucket looked after the wash led me to believe that washing the old fashioned way is still the safest bet, although you can bet I will keep using this stuff all winter long, and probably find some way to incorporate it into my washes during the summer.

Dan
Posted on: 2009/1/6 22:00
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Great write-up - looks intriguing!
Posted on: 2009/1/6 22:53
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I have been wanting to try this stuff too! Look promising. For $15 its worth the try.
Posted on: 2009/1/6 23:01
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Very nice write up. I envy you...I would love to own a C6. Nice and clean engine bay!
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biggrizzly wrote:
I have been wanting to try this stuff too! Look promising. For $15 its worth the try.


For $15, its definitely worth a try. If your really careful I can see you will have really good long term results with this product. Its my first time trying it, so it may take some time for me to get used to it. I still prefer soap and water wash, but this is great for what i am using it for (Winter Wash).

I could easily see 25-30 washes out of a single bottle.

DG
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Very impressive. And of course having that sweet C6 doesn't hurt things.

Thanks for the write-up!

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You DID wipe the bottom of the soap bottle between pic 1 and pic 2... right?
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That's wild, Dan.
I'd like to see the stuff work, nothing I know of can ball up dirt.
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very interesting.

I see this stuff from a couple of angles... one being that it does a nice job and raises the dirt off the paint without harming the paint.

secondly, saving water. No need to rinse off...

The #1 reason I use drive through car washes is because they recycle water.

And it's too damned cold in January in NY to wash...
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You DID wipe the bottom of the soap bottle between pic 1 and pic 2... right?


You know I did! I sprayed off the bottom with my sprayer, and then dried it with a microfiber.

I am sure it still scratched anyway, but you would never notice....

DG
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