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so you say the camber rod is the worse, they use different names for everything...thanks
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and why?
I noticed the toe rods have ball joints, that is just a giant one sided heim joint...no? and the other end is what?,it is covered in rubber; is it another ball joint or rubber mounted? if it is metal, what practical purpose does it serve to replace it with a Banski type, when from the factory it has no slop or bind, I understand worn parts may trigger a buying event...but functionality I don't quite understand the improvement for this part. of the remaining parts camber arm vs. control arms; Which, moves in an axis contrary to how the part is in it's resting position?. rephrase.. which part is worse from the factory and would be less forgiving when the element of poly bushing is introduced to the business ends? or contribute more to binding... in the event I can't remedy the binding, I can opt for just one suspension component to alleviate some but not all of the problems without going flat broke.. thanks for comments, Cf is of absolute no use, they just hold hands and skip along a merry gay path sing Kumbaya.. such a poor visual for middle aged men with Vettes.
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I read elsewhere the rubber, aren't suppose to rotate but is designed to bind as well, I believe some of this is possible... so what is the difference, hack job A or hack job B...
frankly the ride bounces all over the place, don't know if it's binding or perhaps it's just the poly density.. with the car idling on the street, alot more vibration is felt, so that is not about binding.. live and learn ...Banski hmmm..... I have fx3 shocks I removed the actuators on, I zipped tied them to full hard, will changing those settings or even new shocks help? too late now, and besides the rubbers were shot, that's my rationalization. I know by zip tyng them on the front to full soft ,does changed the ride...
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Didn't want to start a new one, my car sits alot higher now, is it stock height now? some my my bushings were shot, the cam bolt ones were bad, and most were deformed, some were crumbly...
I am afraid to align it and have it settle... comments please and thanks again
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I resculpted camber rod ends the other arms fit fine, about 1mm on each side, great idea, filed, then finer file, then emery to a luster, unfortunately, the last cam nut end was a little tight, I got tired of it all; and pushed it in, other wise, it's done, took a shake down ride and oops, a little stiff will go to studio city tonight... see how that trip feels.. BTW, what are the rear alignment specs? should I do fronts and rears or just rear? and is there a " performance spec" vs. factory spec, I really am just after good tire mileage first and traction second..... thanks gents for the help!!
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Done, thanks for the offer, I may take you up on it for the fronts, new control arms and maybe global west stuff, course we could put in the del alm or poly's first, then do the car another time... of course I will not accept gratis job, if have time in the spring, and would like to help me , I would like to compensate you for your expertise... thanks again.
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I am in the Pasadena area...
I think forcing them in is like over stuffing a cheap trash bag full of sloppy wet rancid kitchen trash, no good can come out of even a short trip. my oatmeal and keyboard, now, cover.... me I'm going in.....
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you sure know how to spend my money,I have no 1k for Banski are you the same central coaster on the CF? I read over there you ground down the arms, you are very clever.
and no I can't squeeze down the bushings, how? in this scenario the sleeve will be shorter and the dysfunction of that pivot is unacceptable. longer sleeve is no remedy either. yes bushings first then sleeve, the other way one side of the bushing would not seat all the way. is it not leaving it loose contrary to the 150~200 ft lbs of torque on the cam bolt as per Haynes required to keep it together at speed, the grease got on the threads is that bad? the aluminum is remarkably light, it's like nothing, is BANSKI heavier? regardless, getting off track. I had to file some of it smooth to fix the small gouges when I went caveman on the one of the rubber bushings. I think I will do what you did and file down the arms, I see it easier to do faster and correctly than trying to file/cut/grind down the polys...will try in the morning and this job is WAY too much for me...in over my head.
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okay will check all the hoses, after the poly hassle
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the sleeve for the camber adjustment, is a huge chunk of metal firstly, prolly doesn't matter.
I will try in the morning, but I don't think the polys will stay compressed, they are made to spring back no? at first I thought from reading at cf, too much grease inside will hydro lock the bushings outward, causing what I am experiencing now. so I clean most of it off and the bushing sit the same flush with the arm... I wonder if energy suspension has a clue to this problem...
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no can do, they are fully seated and about 1/16 on each side too thick...and I messed up the old rubber, taking them out...
and I really don't have any heavy duty tools...I have files, but this is mickey mouse...
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Thanks had to walk to autozone to buy the 18mm, I was able to magnet it out from the bottom hole after I took off the bracket phew.. what a mess still a mess.
control arm all in on the pass side, had to unbolt the spring on that side. now the bushings are too wide for the camber bar, how do I shave it down? and everything is sticky from the marine grease... thanks in advance! calling it quits for the night
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different I know doing one at a time, regretting it.
now trying to take bracket off, no socket fits it, what the heck size is it? 17mm no 11/16 no 3/4 no 19mm no help!
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I was told not to do it, i didn't have the money for Banski.
too late, I dropped a nut for the the passenger top control arm down the side of the frame rail. in that small hole, it is in the bottom of the frame rail trapped. there are holes there to allow room for a wrench I saw them and though I was careful, I struggled with it, because the holes end to end on the top trailing rod, are too far apart why is that? the length of the control arm is not long enough,as it seems HELP!! 2 problems!!
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how do I fix the pressure issue?, fixing the seal soulds like a band aid
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it sucks (PCV), the tuning in the past left a lot to be desire insofar as vacuum, finally got is dialed in after 2 years of "learning". how can I increase vacume? rhoads lifters?
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15k on 383 hi performance engine in my signature
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It' started after I switched to synthetic from dino.
should I switch back to dino to see if it goes away? if so should I stay with dino? or is synthetic really that much better?
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I saw the instructions the PO left behind and it looks simple enough, if you like to bleed brakes...
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thanks as always
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my thermostat stuck open, when they put in the new motor in, and was like that for over a year, my stupid mechanic dismissed my concerns, I bought a new one and put it in, for sure the old one had a gaping gap in it....problem fixed, however the 180 I put in stays at around 180~185 on the freeways here in Los Angeles at night with 50 degree temps. I wish I have a 195 in it, but too lazy... this is the only reason, do you agree?
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I have nothing
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dude, they are beautiful, but too rich for my wallet, besides I have fx3, but I took off the actuators, if that makes a difference I don't know.
can i use sway bar link bushings in lieu of rubber?
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mine are toast, any links?
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wow.... you made the phone call, nothing like a symbiotic relationship, I feel you are a good company.
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My all stock 85 4+3 would whip around and do 180's on the street when I gunned it just right( If I was not careful), back in 89, my now 89, with VBP 32's and 26 solid bars, understeers like a mad man at speed.
I did use .70 inch adapters to bring the stock rear wheels out a bit, for cosmetics, this I think hastens the undetsteering. someday I would like 315's, this would be the camel's last straw. is this the "pushing" you are talking about? slamming on the brakes and the weight transferring the mass to the front exacerbating an already compromised condtion? I thought our cars were 50/50 biased.... [IMG]http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv159/Salsadancer383/CIMG0572.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv159/Salsadancer383/CIMG0574.jpg[/IMG]
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yes the abs dances in the front, the rears never.
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my egay drilled and slotted rotor looks like it can go another 30K~+ ,miles with my crap pads. they really don't stop good... being chintzy in the wrong places I think I am. are HPS hard on rotors
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my lazy method is the pads are wearing evenly with easy 15k street miles, just bled them, 20% improvement, the lazy got in the way of doing them sooner.
read a bunch at cf, nothing but good things said about them, so since I am lazy, I was talked into keeping it; considering I just bled the brakes and I don't like brake fluid and keeping the old stuff around for the next hazardous waste fair, is plain ridiculous. Driving the car reminds me of my old stingray knockoff, with only rears brakes, operated by pedaling backwards, i don't even know what that is called, that is the sensation with the Vette. are Hawk HPS overrated?( in 5 months time so it seems) or can I go with autozone duralast semi metallic. I don't plan on racing, and I like to save money considering the amount I have already in this beast.
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seems like the rears bite harder than the front, and I want my fronts to do some more work.
so far the pads wear even fore and aft. if so how hard is it to remove, and were can I get a stock one? stock j55 set up.
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I don't know how to race, how do you know when it's really time to replace them? Can you outline the procedure? t-55, 36mm axle nut socket? I already have one teflon washer and got lazy to put it in to stop the clicking, the clicking went away... http://www.pfadtracing.com/catalog/pr ... _info.php/products_id/125 never mind I tightened the axle nut, it was loose, a little, the "bearing slop" went away, phew... dodged a bullet
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it was not there before, I bought the car 2 years ago with around 128k now 145k miles, when I was tightening the wheel the wrench would make the wheel move so I took the lug wrench off and used my hands,
it moved 1/8" inch, one hand at 12 o'clock and one at 6 o'clock, it is noticeable...
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Thanks guys I bought Prestone dot 3 synthetic,and did the job, sure looks clean.... now for a test drive...
the rear wheel bearing moves a fair amount, can I drive on it?, I real don't have the money for bearings, any suggestions? if so, is it a tough job?
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I went and tighten nuts and bolts under the car and it made the car more solid yesterday, any place you suggest i tighten?
my brakes works better if I pump it once, thinking i have a little air in them. the PO put speed bleeders on them, I have no one to help me, so this will be a one man job. mityvac and motive all costs ~ 55 bucks my trusted shop wants 85 for the labor and 5 for DOT3. I don't see having to keep these pumps around for the next job is what I want. please comment and advise.
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I've been doing my tune for the past 2 years, all the guys I know at third gen, and myself included leave the ecm out on the floor, we learn, and burn all the time the only way to learn about your car, now that you got the car running,take your time , buy the gear and learn how to do it yourself... it aint that hard, then you'll know why it drives the way it does when and in what mode, cruise idle wot part throttle. and you'll be surprised the computer does a very good job of compensation all by itself. pull your plugs and tell me if it's lean, how does it drive? cheers
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yeah now go mess with your own list, you've procrastinated on
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the right kind of ownership, battling aging...
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the race track is alot cleaner than the street, and why don't you throw them in your kits and label it complete or at least offer them on your site will set you apart even further from the pack, this way, a buyer not doing full due diligence NOW can be duly notified what the optimum preventive maintenance, configuration will be and not regret have not done it right in the first place.
This would be a serious mind F***, to discover seal-it after the fact, for all those anal retentive Vette owners, such as myself.
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seems to me to have that kind of product, like Haynes repair manual co. they would have a car to take apart and take specs off of and offer a product that works. instead of just saying it works and cast it in some cute color to seduce the public, oh well, no steering bushings for me.
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when I swapped out of the zf6 to the 700 r4, I bought a yoke for the 700r4, my shop told me it was too long, and instead of shortening the drive shaft, I had no money for that.
we chopped the yoke, my input was the C beam held the "distance" and the drive shaft would never contact critical part within the trans. so we could be conservative and just take off a little as little as 1/4 inch. the yoke ended up looking factory fresh with no signs of shortening. is my theory correct that the c beam would prevent any inward movement from the driveshaft? I am a little concerned, if it did make contact what damages would/could occur?
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jumping into harbor fright, I notice alot of "innovative, looking" tools, sears tend to be cutting edge with their tool engineering, but while at the harbor fright, perhaps they have a big wrench for the job with the right angles as to not remove tire. another thing I noticed with VBP is they have Zerk fittings, this alone can flush out water and rust and maintain the ends better than without.
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good to know first hand; the broad statement that these things work is simply too general, It's like sleeping on a massive wet spot all night; cold and clammy. something that is performance and suppose to make your handling better makes it worse, is downright a crime. perhaps Prothane or VBP did more R and D with their products, what did ES have to say about your damages?
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I understand the "while your in there" doing other stuff, "you might as well" go for the polys since it's "only" $180 bucks, mine squeaks like hell, and they are only on the bars that's another thing to consider.otoh some people boast how instantaneous the reaction to driver input is with polys and that overriding sensation negates all "minor" problem associated with the polys.
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I know you endorse Banski, and they are a sponsor, however along those lines, any comparable "system" work yield the same results Da ele net? they are not the only game in town, they just made it better, and these struts have been around since the dawn of man?
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sounds like what was done to the care is classic and basic, handling oriented mods, elaborate on the "flat out don't like it", does it swerve? bottom? hop? skip? jump? dive? skid? push? tail happy? stiff? soft? twitchy? creak? rattle? squeak? moan? groan? slide? jar? fwiw, I have VBP 32mm front bars with poly and rear 26mm with poly and this transformed the car. I am surprised you went the other way first, everything but the bars...
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To this day GM believes in leaf springs, they are still in the ZR1 correct, so how bad can that be, that car is awesome. there is alot going for that design...
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Ideally, Corvette recycling's A arms are bought for their ball joints to save labor, new joints end up the same. and meanwhile you throw the new bushing's in.
are you saying the poly's for the front a acceptable. to save a great deal of money, how do you know if the ball joints are still good, 140k miles on them and they don't movement when the wheel is up from jacking. but to take it all apart and not do them is kinda stupid too...this would include the tie rod ends, but they are all tight. is the poly steering rack bushing effective? I do have a new rack....
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I decided not to lower, I like the looks both ways lowered and not, so that's not the concern. as far as the polys, you are saying keep the rubber ones, or skip straight to this? but never polys correct? VBP is having a major sale http://www.vbandp.com/C4-Corvettes/Su ... -Combo-w/Racing-ends.html how is just doing the rears and leaving the front's alone, or is going with the Delrin banski fronts and leaving the rears alone better?
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what is bump steer?
contrary to what some of my frienemies say, I kind of like the wide gap between the tires and the fender lip of the C4's. In my future? suspension upgrade, hence my asking, and since the suspension will be apart, the question to lower or not to lower comes to mind. If the effort to lower does not yield a better handling machine, forget about it. and I if will scrape stuff then really forget about it. I already have 32mm fronts and 26mm rears with polys, the car does not pitch or lean... and for legal speeds it's is fine, but I have the Corvette sickness like everyone else. at most it would be 1/2 inch to a 1 inch drop.
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