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jsup Rocker Arm Adjustment
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This is the first motor I did that required measuring the push rods.
My last build used stock heads, so I used stock pushrods.

Anyway, let me know if these are right, by the pics.

Thanks.


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Based on the photos that Lloyd sent me you are looking good. It is hard to actually see the contact area of the roller tip on the Valve stem. It should be centered.
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What locks those bolts to the studs? I would be concerned with those walking off.

I don't recognize that brand... so I may be speaking from total ignorance... just sharing an observation.
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What locks those bolts to the studs? I would be concerned with those walking off.

I don't recognize that brand... so I may be speaking from total ignorance... just sharing an observation.


Those are Comp Cam full roller Pro Mags.

They are Chro Mo which is stronger than Aluminum. The nuts have an allen key lock down in the center of them.

http://www.compperformancegroupstores ... amp;Category_Code=ROCKARM
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ah, ok. I didn't see the allen locks! Cool!!!
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So how does the geometry look? Anyone......

FYI, from Summit...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdet ... 302%2D16&autoview=sku

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The strength of steel, the light weight of aluminum.
COMP Cams Pro Magnum roller rocker arms combine the strength of 8650 chromemoly steel and the weight savings of aluminum rockers. COMP Cams took advantage of computer design to simulate the stresses that affect rockers under various operating loads. This allowed the engineers to lessen the rockers' mass at non-critical areas, and strengthen the areas that take the most punishment. The results were rocker arms that are strong where they need to be, and actually weigh 5 percent less at the valve than comparable aluminum rockers. [B]
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Same rockers I'm using. Nice stuff
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I agree, nice stuff
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I used Summit self aligning rockers and eliminated my guideplates. My 113 heads are shaved and I'm running a .024 headgasket so I bought 7.15" trickflow chromemoly pushrods instead of the stock 7.2". My roller to valve tip location look the same as yours and I think I'm fine, so I think you are fine. My summit rockers appear to use the same nuts/locks. The real question is are you sure you found 0 lash correctly? It is easier for me to find it when the intake is off and you can see the pushrod to lifter contact. How many turns past 0 lash did you go for preload? The geometry looks good to me from the pics, if you got the preload right you should be fine.
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On spray, 10.55 @ 132.78, 1.55 60 ft.
On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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I osted this over at the dark side a while ago. It might help.

[web]http://www.biggrizzly.com/Lloyd_words.html[/web]
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Same rockers I'm using. Nice stuff


:me2: Many thousands of miles of trouble-free service.
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I'm going to re adjust with the motor running. That's really the best way.

No need to go more than 1/2 turn past zero lash.

That I do by "feel". So somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 turn.

CFI-EFI posted a good way to lock them down, I'll be using his method.
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It is impossible to make a judgment as to the push rod length from the
pictures posted. As biggrizzly's second post points out, the correct length
rod is revealed in the path the rocker arm roller traverses during a cycle.
Your snap shot doesn't show the pattern. At best, it just shows the
position at some arbitrary, unknown, point in the travel.

Especially in the top two photos, are the Allen headed set screws
installed? If so, they look set awfully deep into the adjusting nut. If the
screws are in there and the preload is anywhere near where it will end up, I
would remove an adjusting nut to see how many threads of the stud are
engaged by the nut. My guess, from what I can see, is not enough.
Based on a photo, and not being there, I'm guessing you need rocker
arm studs that are about a 1/4" longer. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just the
pic, but it's a lot cheaper to check, now, while it's going together than to
check to see why the adjusting nuts stripped out and flew off of the studs,
later.

RACE ON!!!
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It is impossible to make a judgment as to the push rod length from the
pictures posted. As biggrizzly's second post points out, the correct length
rod is revealed in the path the rocker arm roller traverses during a cycle.
Your snap shot doesn't show the pattern. At best, it just shows the
position at some arbitrary, unknown, point in the travel.

Especially in the top two photos, are the Allen headed set screws
installed? If so, they look set awfully deep into the adjusting nut. If the
screws are in there and the preload is anywhere near where it will end up, I
would remove an adjusting nut to see how many threads of the stud are
engaged by the nut. My guess, from what I can see, is not enough.
Based on a photo, and not being there, I'm guessing you need rocker
arm studs that are about a 1/4" longer. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just the
pic, but it's a lot cheaper to check, now, while it's going together than to
check to see why the adjusting nuts stripped out and flew off of the studs,
later.

RACE ON!!!


Thanks.

I have about 1/2 inch of thread into the nylocks. It seems the nylocks are awfully deep.

The entire valve train is Comp Cams.
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Nylok is a type of nut you simply will never find in a valve train. Its the type of locking nut that has a nylon washer built into it, and in an ideal world, this creates enough friction to prevent the nut from working loose.
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Nylok is a type of nut you simply will never find in a valve train. Its the type of locking nut that has a nylon washer built into it, and in an ideal world, this creates enough friction to prevent the nut from working loose.


I miss spoke. I meant lock nuts. :thumbleft:
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CFI is right (and hi CFI, good to see you ) that the pics don't tell anything for sure. I was looking at the pic that looks like both valves are closed, and it appears the roller tip is near or just back of the center of the tip. That is how mine look, and when I turn the motor over till the valves each open it is just past center. The black marker method is a good idea. I used some thread sealer for pattern checking paste as that is what was laying near me at the time. My pattern was almost dead centered in the valve tip but was a little wider than the one that biggrizzly posted as a good one. But I would assume the more lift and higher the rocker ratio the wider the pattern. I know I'm fine because it is in the center of the valve tip. I bought 7.15" chromemoly pushrods used as they were a steal and I figured I could sell them if they weren't the right length for me. I was pretty sure they were, and after installing and checking the pattern I am sure. As far as the locks being deep, mine are too. Maybe not quite as deep as yours but again it is hard to tell from pics. I did take one of mine back off and to my surprise it has plenty of threads engaged. I'm surprised how much adjustment those nuts and locks have. The one question that I can never get a consistent answer on is, with stock type lifters but stronger valvesprings and higher lift cam and 1.6 rockers, should the preload be changed from stock or should it still be 1 turn past 0 lash. Answers are always different so I decided since I'm running stock rockers I went with the stock 1 turn setting. I guess I'll know when I get my intake and get it fired up!
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On motor, 12.08 @ 113.15, 1.66 60 ft.
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CFI is right (and hi CFI, good to see you ) that the pics don't tell anything for sure. I was looking at the pic that looks like both valves are closed, and it appears the roller tip is near or just back of the center of the tip. That is how mine look, and when I turn the motor over till the valves each open it is just past center. The black marker method is a good idea. I used some thread sealer for pattern checking paste as that is what was laying near me at the time. My pattern was almost dead centered in the valve tip but was a little wider than the one that biggrizzly posted as a good one. But I would assume the more lift and higher the rocker ratio the wider the pattern. I know I'm fine because it is in the center of the valve tip. I bought 7.15" chromemoly pushrods used as they were a steal and I figured I could sell them if they weren't the right length for me. I was pretty sure they were, and after installing and checking the pattern I am sure. As far as the locks being deep, mine are too. Maybe not quite as deep as yours but again it is hard to tell from pics. I did take one of mine back off and to my surprise it has plenty of threads engaged. I'm surprised how much adjustment those nuts and locks have. The one question that I can never get a consistent answer on is, with stock type lifters but stronger valvesprings and higher lift cam and 1.6 rockers, should the preload be changed from stock or should it still be 1 turn past 0 lash. Answers are always different so I decided since I'm running stock rockers I went with the stock 1 turn setting. I guess I'll know when I get my intake and get it fired up!


I have done some research. There seems to be different sizes of lock nuts. Some are deeper than others.

I have 1/2 inch of thread covered, which should be plenty.

I suspect these nuts are made to use with girdles.
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Just 2 Cents. I think you need a push rod length checker. I don't think you can adjust the valves when it is running unless it is pre 70. It will idle fast and squirt oil everywhere.
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Just 2 Cents. I think you need a push rod length checker. I don't think you can adjust the valves when it is running unless it is pre 70. It will idle fast and squirt oil everywhere.


I purchased the length checker and used it. I'm just double checking my work.

When I color the top of the valve with a marker the marks are very slightly outside of center, and are less than .080. Right in spec.

Other thoughts don't hurt.
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Good reading - a "people who know stuff" thread.

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What length studs did you buy? I'm getting ready to order a set of ARP studs and don't know if I should go with the 1.75 or 1.89 length?
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What length studs did you buy? I'm getting ready to order a set of ARP studs and don't know if I should go with the 1.75 or 1.89 length?


They came on the heads....
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I just pulled Pro Mags off ARP studs on my heads- this may be silly, but did you put the nut in the pocket of the fulcrum? You'll get what you're seeing if you're on the other side (round).

Here is a pic that shows what mine looks like, though unfortunately it is zoomed in a fuzzy, but you'll get the idea.

Pic here
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