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| Steve40th | Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Okay, in February when I get back to the Rock of Oahu, I will replace the rear wheel bearings. Havent done it in a while, so, any advice etc would be appreciated.
Here is my checklist Bearings, SKF Anti Sieze for splines on spindle shaft Grease for Brake caliper pins Spindle Washers T-55 (Snap On) Spindle Socket (Proper Torque for Spindle nut, 165, 180, or 190? FSM Updates?) Breaker Bar Block of wood( to use to push spring up when loosening eye bolts) Jack/Stands etc at hobby shop Also doing rear brakes while there, and servicing U Joints, as they may need grease etc. |
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| bogus | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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If those are OEM ujoints, there is not greasing them. I would consider replacing, tho. If so, track down Spicer's.
I would still have 2 T55's. Those bolts are a pain to remove and even the best torx sockets will shear off. The last I heard, the spindle nut must be torqued to 200 ft-lbs. Check your spring bolts. Mine are heavily warn. Same with their bushings. I replaced mine with new long bolt's and poly purch bushings. Otherwise, you sound ready... oh, 12 pack for when you are back in your hooch and done.  |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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The U Joints are spicers, they were replaced with the Dana 44 set up a few years ago.
Spring bolts are a few years old, but Grade 8 aftermarket and urethane bushings. Another T-55, good idea. And PB Blast |
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| bogus | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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looks like you are about under control, then!
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| 1Fast04Vert | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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By spindle nut socket if you are referring to the 36mm socket then all good there. How about the teflon washers that go between the hub and the stub shaft?
I just did my right rear with a new SKF and torqued the spindle nut to 180 ft lbs. I still have the left side to do, but no hurry about it. |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I have the teflon washers. Once I make sure they go on right. They have a lip, and I need to make sure they are correct.
I wonder if they should be oiled/greased at all. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I think it's a good idea to put antisieze on them. IMO, the washer are suppose to slip to allow for the slop in the splines to move.
It's when they don't slip easily that they start galling and making clicking noises. With that said, the tapered bearings I put on last time had much tighter splines, which is nice. Other bearings I've tried all had noticeable slop there. And you know no mattter how tight you put the spindle nut on, it's going to slip. 180 ft lbs is nothing compare to the torque that rear wheel sees. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Maybe get some new cotter pins while you're at the parts store. Always good to have extras.
The "teflon" washers are a joke. The bearing surface will chew the coating off immediately. From now on I'll just sand them smooth maybe paint them, and throw them back in with anti-sieze. The spring bolts on mine tend to collect a bunch of dirt in them inside the spring pocket, then they corrode and the threads just get nasty. I had to remove them and clean them to get the nut back on. But, I've never removed them to do wheel bearings, there is no need, you can get to the torx bolts without removing the halfshaft if you rotate it just right. |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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CC, Thanks for the tips. I will antizieze the washers, and get some cotter pins.
I may try not removing the half shafts to do the bearings. I know you can. Just patience. |
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| Matatk | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I had the same question about antiseize when I did mine. I originally put it on there thinking it was a good idea, but on the advice of PeteK I took them off and cleaned the antiseize off. He told me that attracts more dirt and wears them out faster. Made sense so I took his advice. Matthew |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Posted on: 2011/1/6 3:21
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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It was the only way I could keep it from clicking. Moisture gets in and corrosion occurs on the load surfaces, sticking them together. And I'm not in Hawaii.
Steve, do one side only and report back in 6 months, lol. |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Teflon is a unique material. I dont know how dirt and crap can get in there after being torqued, but... you never know. Its not like a C4 creaking and cracking isnt normal. What would we do if it were quite. |
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| Matatk | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Maybe I wasn't 100% clear. This refers specifically to the teflon washers. Pete told me not to put antiseize on the teflon washers, so I wiped off what I had already put on. Matthew |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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You were 100% clear. I was thinking about the teflon washers needing it once before, and now we have two trains of thought on it, both from reputable people. Teflon is one of the slickest items in the world. There purpose in our C4 spindle washer is to reduce clicking noise etc, correct. I will do some light drinking to persue the answer on this, as it will be a to do or not to do during assembly. |
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| Matatk | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I thought it would be good at first, too. But there was no mention in the FSM of applying any lubricant or anti-seize to the washers.
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Posted on: 2011/1/6 5:14
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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The washers are steel. The coating may be teflon but it looks like paint, is thin like paint, and comes off like paint. Stick your frying pan in vise between two pieces of flat steel and see how it holds up. The spline area isn't seperated from the spindle shoulder, so anything in there will migrate around, or be forced in when you slide the bearing on. |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I am with you. I was just reading how quickly these coatings come off. So, I may go ahead and do it. It is a thin coating too. I was remembering use of teflon coated spherical rod ends. No grease is recommended. But with rubber boots on them, grease wouldnt hurt. |
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| iCorvette | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I clicked when I first got the car and didn't want to tackle the job, was not sure it was the washer, eventually the sound went away...
fast forward 2 years, I jack up the car the wheel had alot of play, i got worried read somewhere it could be loose and upon attempting to tighten, it was very loose, I do not own a 200lb torque wrench, nor do I want to , so the 4 foot pipe showed up to rescue once again, I cranked it down and, the "play" went bye bye and the clicking never said hello.. the moral, the clicking suppose to indicate washer wear? who knows? never took it apart, the torqued down nut is keeping it together and that is all I care about could be a moron for feeling this way.... |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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How about a dry lubricant that impregnates the metal once ruffed up? Is there such a thing?
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I'm not sure what would stick though.
Maybe brake anti-squeal? I think roughing up the metal is a bad idea, makes it more likely to gall, right? |
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| Matatk | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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If the teflon wears off so quickly, then any applied lubricant/antiseize, etc wouldn't last half as long, right? So is there any benefit to it at all? Maybe that's why the FSM doesn't call for any?
I don't have the answer...just throwing out ideas. Matthew |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Well, GM wouldnt spend money if they didnt have a reason for this. I bet Gordon Killebrew knows why.
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| bogus | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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The teflon transfers to the other metal surfaces.
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I could polish the living crap out of the mating surfaces the washer rides against.
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I do need to ensure the washer goes on correctly too.
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| bogus | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Get new ones... the logic is the same as the new fangled teflon oil seals. The teflon transfers fromt he washer to the metal surfaces and lubes that way.
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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I have brand new GM washers in a bag waiting to be installed with the bearings.
I was just thinking the surface it touches could be polished real good so it will be slicker/smoother so the potential for clicking/popping when the teflon wears will be less. |
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| bogus | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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the click is caused mostly by rust on the splines.
I had a creaky bearing, and I simply sprayed some PB Blaster into the splines and the creak went away! I don't see any harm in cleaning up the surfaces... It sure can't hurt. I would use scotch brite pads, or, a fine sanding disk on a dremel. |
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| Steve40th | Re: Rear Wheel bearing R&R check list. | ||
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Definitely going to clean the splines etc. |
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