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Notorious	Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#1
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	And currently at only $84,800. How would you like to the guy to have drug this thing home for a song and then discovered it's secret identity? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotor/ws/eBay ... =110306170567#ht_3045wt_0 Additional info: http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247249 Hemmings story on these cars: http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2008/05/01/hmn_feature9.html
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 18:41

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pianoguy	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#2
Guru Emeritus Apple Valley, MN 14762 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Wow, what a find!
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 18:49
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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#3
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	How can it be restored without the motor and transmission? If it WAS ALL there, wouldn't it cost 75k - 100k+++ to restore? No thanks.
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 19:13
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bogus	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#4
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Yes. figure $100k to own it, another $100k to right it and what have you got? A car worth $250k. And value going up. It's got all the right stories. Impressive.
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 19:32
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Notorious	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#5
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Quote: Blade_1 wrote: How can it be restored without the motor and transmission? If it WAS ALL there, wouldn't it cost 75k - 100k+++ to restore? No thanks. Similar rare, restored factory race cars of this era have easily fetched a half million and up. Original engine in a race car is rare anyway but the original type 421 SD engines that came in these while not common are out there, having come as options in larger Pontiacs of the era. I've got an idea that the price will spike quite a bit higher before it's finished. Look at the number of bidders. Reportedly Jay Leno is one of those bidders. I'm not sure how that is known but if that's the case, he'll no doubt end up with it if he wants it badly enough. Getting back to rare, Ford, Plymouth, Chevy and Pontiac ('61-62 Catalina) all had factory lightweight cars in the early 60s but all were made in higher numbers than these. Even the rare and highly desirable '64 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 lightweight, there were about 100 of them produced. Compare that to 12 of these, the majority of which are either documented to have been destroyed or whereabouts unknown.
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 19:38

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bobges	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#6
Senior Guru Bushkill PA 254 Posts Member since: 2008/7/20 21:00	interesting
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bogus	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#7
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Quote: Notorious wrote: Quote: Blade_1 wrote: How can it be restored without the motor and transmission? If it WAS ALL there, wouldn't it cost 75k - 100k+++ to restore? No thanks. Similar rare, restored factory race cars of this era have easily fetched a half million and up. Original engine in a race car is rare anyway but the original type 421 SD engines that came in these while not common are out there, having come in as options in larger Pontiacs of the era. I've got an idea that the price will spike quite a bit higher before it's finished. Look at the number of bidders. Reportedly Jay Leno is one of those bidders. I'm not sure how that is known but if that's the case, he'll no doubt end up with it if he wants it badly enough. Getting back to rare, Ford, Plymouth, Chevy and Pontiac ('62 Catalina) all had factory lightweight cars in the early 60s but all were made in higher numbers than these. Even the rare and highly desirable '64 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 lightweight, there were about 100 of them produced. Compare that to 12 of these, the majority of which are either documented to have been destroyed or whereabouts unknown. I agree, these are uber rare. I am not so sure about the half mil value anymore. Muscle cars have been sinking over the last 18 months, then again, no stories (meaning well documented) cars are still worth a mint. Since DeLorean and Wangers kept all the data, PHS has the numbers to back this car up.
	Posted on: 2008/11/9 19:47
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Notorious	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#8
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: I agree, these are uber rare. I am not so sure about the half mil value anymore. Muscle cars have been sinking over the last 18 months, then again, no stories (meaning well documented) cars are still worth a mint. Since DeLorean and Wangers kept all the data, PHS has the numbers to back this car up. Ah yes, but this is hardly just another muscle car. Bidding is still inching upward and is now over $86K with four hours to go. I expect a big surge towards the end. Here are some pics of the car back in the day that this car has been verified to be: It just jumped to $90,300 and still 3 hours to go.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 0:37

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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#9
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	In back is one of the 6 coupes. The wagon is 1 of the 6 SD wagons. It got nitrous (w/o forced air) in 2000, and did 7.82 / 175+. Unreal yup. http://www.grocerygetterwagon.com/history.htm EDIT: The 7.82 car is a clone of the original, according to another source... From a chevelle forum, on price guestimate: Quote: I'll bet some back door deals to secure those peices are already being made by folks doing the bidding on the car body. Count on some MAJOR detective scramblin' goin' on right now OHYEAH... Probably including a couple of armed guards, with TEC-9 MAC-10 tactical machine pistols too
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 1:28
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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#10
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Quote: bogus wrote: Yes. figure $100k to own it, another $100k to right it and what have you got? A car worth $250k. And value going up. It's got all the right stories. Impressive. Try again uh huh. ( I woulda' said 100 to own, and another 100 to fix would be a stretch to get 250) 250 BARELY got the rust. The last SD Tempest supposedly took 20 years to restore.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:14
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CentralCoaster	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#11
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	$226,000. Just stupid.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:18
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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#12
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Winner paid $16k for heads and intake. Got coin? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBa ... iewItem&item=250312752697
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:24
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bogus	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#13
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	not stupid. In that market, good investment. It's the read deal.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:26
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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#14
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	He bought parts for this car in SEPTEMBER. ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBa ... iewItem&item=150286549126 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBa ... iewItem&item=150286548298
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:26
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jsup	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#15
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: Blade_1 wrote: Winner paid $16k for heads and intake. Got coin? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBa ... iewItem&item=250312752697 Wonder if he's gonna get them flowed!!!!! Ok, sorry couldn't help it.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:28
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CentralCoaster	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#16
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Quote: Blade_1 wrote: He bought parts for this car in SEPTEMBER. ??? Anyone willing to spend that much on one probably has a few more, which is what the parts were for.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:36
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Notorious	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#17
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Anyone willing to spend that much on one probably has a few more, which is what the parts were for. There ain't nobody that's got a yard full of these.... Quote: So if Pontiac built six Super Duty Tempest station wagons and six Super Duty Le Mans coupes, then what happened to the rest? Short answer, according to Pete McCarthy's Pontiac Musclecar Performance Manual: Nobody seems to know. Super Duty Tempest station wagons · Shipped to Royal Pontiac, Royal Oak, Michigan. Whereabouts unknown. · Shipped to Anderson Pontiac, Akron, Ohio. Tuned and driven by Arlen Vanke and campaigned as the Papoose One. Whereabouts unknown. · Shipped to Al Hodges Pontiac, Cocoa, Florida. Driven by John Tempest. Whereabouts unknown, possibly destroyed. · Shipped to Van Winkle Pontiac, Dallas, Texas. Driven by J.L. Meador, later owned and raced by Don Gay. Whereabouts unknown. · Shipped to Union Park Pontiac, Wilmington, Delaware. Restored. · Shipped to Arnie Beswick, Morrison, Illinois. Campaigned as Mrs. B's Grocery Getter. Stripped and dismantled, but later cloned by Wally Abela. Super Duty Le Mans coupes · Shipped to Ray Nichels Engineering, Merrillville, Illinois. Driven by Paul Goldsmith to a win in the 1963 Daytona 250-mile Challenge Cup. Documented as destroyed. · Shipped to Stan Long Pontiac, Detroit, Michigan. Driven by Stan Antlocer. Whereabouts unknown, though front clip has been recovered. · Shipped to Superior Pontiac, San Antonio, Texas. Whereabouts unknown. · Shipped to Mickey Thompson. Campaigned as the No. 749 A/FX car and driven by Bill Shrewsberry and Bob Spar. Fate unknown. · Shipped to Mickey Thompson. Campaigned as the No. 756 A/FX car and driven by Jess Tyree; later sold to Arnie Beswick and campaigned as the Little B's Runabout before Beswick converted it into the Tameless Tiger Funny Car. Destroyed in a racing accident, but later restored. · Shipped to George DeLorean and Roger Schmidt. Restored.
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CentralCoaster	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#18
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	I read the ad. Anybody who spent $200+K on a rare Pontiac tempest race car probably has a few clones or other Tempest projects laying around they needed parts for. No conspiracy theory, sorry.
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:50
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Notorious	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#19
Elite Guru Downbound train, NC 2184 Posts Member since: 2005/9/17 0:00	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: I read the ad. Anybody who spent $200+K on a rare Pontiac tempest race car probably has a few clones or other Tempest projects laying around they needed parts for. No conspiracy theory, sorry. I wasn't accusing you of being a black helicopter watcher, just thought that perhaps you had missed that particular tid-bit of info, sorry......
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 5:56

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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#20
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Whereabouts unknown. When there's only 12, they ain't hard to find. Children of deceased owners are hiding them from siblings for value, or don't know what they have 'sittin' in the barn'. ... like these:
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 6:01
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Schrade	Re: Rusty, banged up, doesn't run, etc. '63 Pontiac on eBay	#21
Elite Guru eastern NC / e-i-e-i-o 1909 Posts Member since: 2008/8/15 2:01	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: $226,000. Just stupid. Stupid? How 'bout this, from the bottom of the bid history page? Quote: Retracted: US $847,000.00 Explanation: Entered wrong amount And the bid sat there for 5 minutes uh huh!
	Posted on: 2008/11/10 6:16
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