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Re: Engine rebuild/upgrade project
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new TPIS TB vs stock one
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and a short video

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Thanks Pete!
I've installed it straigt up (lined up the dots) and
then rechecked it with degree wheel and dial gauge to
see if everything is within the specs.

I'm a little behind with posting and pics. The engine is
allready in the car and I've fired it. I had some trans
problems but I've sorted that out.

Right now, Mick (mseven) and I are trying to get the tune
right. I'm having some idle issues. Engine is running
waaay too rich at idle. Right now I'm waiting for a new O2
sensor to come, as mine is not in the best condition.

I've started a thread on another forum but I won't start a
new one here, I'll just C/P from there:

C/P

In short here are engine specs

- 2bolt block, overbored 0.020"
- stock crank
- SCAT forged rods 5.7"
- SRP forged pistons, flat-top
- #113 heads, ported, 2.02/1.60 valves
- ported superram
- #24 FMS injectors
- Hooker LT headers
- CC XR288HR cam, 288/294 adv., 236/242 @.050", .55"/.57" lift, 110 LSA

I'm having my tune done by Mick (mseven). Engine fired
right up with his first tune but it was running rough and
very rich. From datalogs, we have noticed that vacuum is
low (70+ kPa). So I tried to find if there are any vacuum
leaks or other mechanical problems. I did find some issues,
but I sorted them out and I still have the same problems.

Problems are next:
When I start the engine it runs stable but very rich. WBO2
is showing high 11 to low 12AFR and considering the size of
the cam and overlap, I think that it's even more rich than
that.
As the engine is heating up the problems start. Engine
wants to stall and sometimes it stalls if I don't blip a
throttle. Idle starts to go up and down all the time.
IAC ccounts are allways going down. From the moment when I
start the engine IAC counts are slowly going down, until
they finally reach zero. If I adjust the throttle screw I
can get them to raise, but again, as the engine is running
IAC starts to drop.

Map signal is acting very similar. As I start the engine,
it's stable at lower 70's but as the problems with stalling
start, MAP starts to jump all over the place. I guess that
it's normal that it jumps to 90 because engine almost
stalls. All the time there is way too much fuel as I can
see it smoke and it really burns the eyes.
If I start to drive, WBO2 starts to show 14.5-15 AFR and
the smoking stops. But as soon as I stop and the engine
starts to idle, AFR gets really rich.

As for vacuums, I have plugged everything except MAP, fuel
regulator and PCV hoses. I have tried to plug the TB with
engine running and listen for any vacuum leaks but I can't
hear anything.


Any inputs and ideas are welcome!

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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Thanks! I sure will. But first, I have to get my engine tuned.

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- new Melling M-select oil pump

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- intake mainifold and valve covers are on

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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I've assembled everything back together and it works :-)
I drove the car yesterday for the first time in last 9-10
months. Great feeling!

Thanks for all your help!

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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It looks that my luck might be getting better. I've pulled the trans pan
and found a broken filter neck. I really don't know how it happened but
it looks like because of this, pump was pulling air and maybe some fluid,
but definatelly not enough.

I only hope that this didn't cause any other problems. I'll know soon.

Also, over the time I did some research regarding my 3-4 upshift problems
and I've found that there are some modifications that can be done to
improve 3-4 shifts, so while I have the pan down, I'll try to make them.

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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OK, here is an update, finally.

I've tried what Pete suggested on another forum and it looks like ther might be a problem with the pump. As soon as I start the engine, fluid starts to flow, but it flows for a very short period of time and than it stops. (Take a look at the video).
Fluid level was in the middle between min and max when I tried this.

Opinions? Pete?

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Looks great Pete! Good luck and keep us posted!

BTW, looks like we decided for the same tuner.

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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Thanks Mick!

I guess that this will put a delay on my logs. I hope that this won't be a problem for you?

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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Yes.

Could somebody check where is fluid level on dipstick with engine off?Pete suggested (on another forum) that it might be a pump problem, and I think that he might be right.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that something broke in the trans in the same time when I blew my engine. Maybe even the trans went first and that was why engine overreved!?

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Re: 700r4 - NO SHIFTS
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Yes, the converter is bolted.

Converter wasn't dry. I never took it out of the trans when I removed it from the engine.

I forgot to mention that I've also installed the new trans pan. When I've put engine/trans back into the car, I've installed the new, aluminum oil pan. when the pan was down, I have also installed the new filter. Than I've added the fluid to the max, and started the engine. As the engine ran, I had to add about 2 quarts more to get it back to normal level.

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I've just started the engine after rebuild and now the trans won't shift into gear. No reverse, no forward gears.
When i first started, trans was about 2 quarts low on fluid, but i added fluid with engine running, and it's now on normal level. I went through all gears, but nothing.
Trans was out of the car for 9 months, but it ran normally when i removed it.
Any idea what could be wrong?
Could routing of cooler lines be wrong and cause this? I don't think so.

Fluid level drops a few milimeters when the engine is started. The linkage is OK, I checked it because I installed new cable bracket.
My trans is converted to full manual operation with TransGo shift kit.
Converter is properly bolted.

One more thing. When my engine broke, I had tu pull the car home.
I didn't tow it, since it was only a mile or mile and a hlaf from my home.
Could've that caused the problems?

Any idea is appreciated!

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what? You didn't paint the block Chevy orange? Shame on you!




Quote:

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Aren't those ARP bolts so nice!!! I love quality stuff!!


They sure are! And the feeling is very good when tightening
them. No stretching whatsoever.

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I've put 1/4 turn. That was working for me on my
previous lifters. But I modified valve covers so that
I can take them off in a minute and I plan to readjust
with engine running.

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Looks like we'll have our cars ready about the same time.
But I'm a little bit behind with posting.
Nice work!

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I did some more work.

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rockers are on and valve lash is adjusted

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I try to take photos of everything, but I forgot to
take some of intake before porting.

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Update......


I'm finished with intake manifold (superram) porting:

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Re: Question for Canton oil pan users
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I received anwser from "Canton racing products".

It's 20mm thread hole that is intended for oil level sensor.

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I've recently bought road racing oil pan for my Corvette.
It is part nr. 15-240T. However, I have one problem.
Pan came without one of the plugs (please
look at the picture). Does anybody know what size thread is
in that hole?

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Re: 1989 L98 Engine rebuild - Part 2: prepping for install
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Looks great! Keep us posted on yor progress!

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Thanks for the heads up Will! I'll be carefull!

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Thanks guys!

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Have you decided on a head gasket?
Will the thickness and it's effect on compression have any influence on your choice?
What about retorqueing after the engine has been run?
Looking good.


I'm using Felpro 1043 head gaskets. I have "zero decked" the
block so with those gaskets I should be exactlly at 0.039"
quench and with 8.4 - 8.5 DCR.

I don't plan to retorque. I've used those gaskets before
and didn't retorque them. Never had an issue with them.


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The cyl heads look nice for a home port job.

Did someone coach you on the port work? I noticed you kept the heavy grinding to the roof of the ports and valve bowl... Precisley what you should do. Most first timers grind the floor out of a port and screw it all it.

What did your combustion chamber come out to?

Be very careful to listen for loose valves and check the valve adjustment often if you run that engine hard. I noticed that yor new Comp Camshaft is ground on a Cast Iron core. They are known to be very failure prone.
Will


Thanks Will! Actually, I've been doing cylinder head porting for
more than 10 years now, but I mostly do european and
japanese 4-valve heads.

My chambers came out at 59 cc's.

Thanks for the advice on the valves. I didn't know that
cast cams have issues. If I knew earlier, I would've
probably select a different cam. I don't have time or money
to go with a new cam now. But I don't mind checking the
valves few times a year.

BTW, what is the most common problem with cast cams?
Do they tend to break, or lobes wear out or.....???

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Update.............


I've finally found some time to finish the heads.


New bronze valve guides are in and cut for .530" seals

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Valve spring seats are cut for larger springs and to exact
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New seals, valves, springs, Ti retainers...

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That looks really great!!

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Do you know what is stock spring rate?

If it's in 370 lbs/in range, you're good to go!

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CS144 was and is the way to go.


I agree!!

So I installed a new CS-144 alt

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Sliding - at this point it's a little up in the air. I have a set of edelbrock heads, lightly ported, an edelbrock high flow base/SLPs/stock plenum all gasket matched and cleaned up, and a cam sitting on the shelf that will go on. For the bottom end my ideal goal is a stroker, but will depend on cost differences. I have to get this over to the builder and see what he thinks. The cylinder walls didn't look too bad but I honestly didn't inspect them well. I did, however, feel a decent sized ridge at the top of cylinders so that will be addressed with the machine work. I didn't open up the oil pan and check the bearings or crank.

Matthew


Sounds good! Either way you decide to go, keep us posted
with as much pics as possible. I (and believe others too)
allways enjoy threads like this.

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Good work and nice writeup.

Are you going do do stock rebuild or do you plan to do
some modifications to the engine?

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Thanks guys!

I didn't have any issues with timing set. It fits nice.
I did some work on oil return holes. I removed sharp
edges and smoothened them out with sandind drums.

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Here is a litte update with "a few" pics

crank balanced and polished

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new ARP main bolts

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crank in place and all mains measured with plastigauge

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all mains are cleaned of plastigauge and lubed

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checking crank end play

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rings file fitted and measured for correct gap

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new SCAT forged rods and Clevite rod bearings

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plastigauged all rod journals

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rods, pistons, rings assemblies

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rotating assembly done

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new (CC HR288) vs old (LPE 219) cams

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cam and timing set are in

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new LS lifters

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That's it for now!

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Location?
National language?
Political system?
National religion?

-- Joe


For anybody interested, here you go:

Croatia is a part of ex Yugoslavia. It's located very close to Italy (boot shaped half-island)

Croatia location

Capital city : Zagreb

National language is Croatian
Croatian language

Croatia is parlamentary republic.

National religion is 90% Roman Catholic.


And one more very important fact. There are maybe 10 C4 vettes
in whole Croatia.

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That orange color was too much for me, so I cleaned it all
off and repainted it.
So the block is bored/honed, zero decked, new cam bearings
and freeze plugs are installed.
Just one more final cleaning and it's ready for assembling.

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Yes, war was terrible (like any war). Some parts of Croatia were completely ruined and it was even worse in Bosnia.

And I understand them about the food.
When you once try "chevapi" you'll allways come back for more.

Chevapi

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Nice work!

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I'm also really not sure why it's there, but I'm sure that it doesn't help combustion. Anything of that shape has nothing to do in a chamber.

Anyway here is a pic fron Vizard's book:

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It's from the book below. There is not very much info
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No problem! I know what it's like loosing a sleep over some details!


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Here is one pic with old guides driven out and you can see that there are no cracks or damages on guide bosses.
They remained exactly the same as were with guides in.

But HEATING the head is a MUST!!

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I'm going with complete new bronze guides. Old ones are
going out without a problem, but head must be heated before
pushing them out.

I've done a lot of similar heads (guide bosses concerned)
and if guides are probperly driven out/in with heads heated
and lubricated new guides, I've never had a problem.

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David Vizard also suggests to remove them in his book on modifiying SBC cylinder heads.

I have removed them completely. You can see it here:
http://www.corvette-guru.com/modules/ ... id=117112#forumpost117112

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Finally I did some progress.

I was finished with rough porting so I took the heads to the machinist for new, larger valve seats to be installed.

Here are pics before:
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While he installed new seats I also asked him to add some material on the
lower side of intake ports. I had some problems with leaks here because
gaskets didn't have to much material to seat on.


On the pics below you can see how much is gained in intake and exhaust
ports with new seats installed. Also, you can see where material was added
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After removing extra material that was gained with larger seats, I went to work
on chambers. Deshrouding valves is very important as new valves are
significantly larger than stock and are much closer to chamber walls.
First I roughly removed some material and then polished the chambers.

Here are a few pics of work and the final result:


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Next, I have to take the heads back to machinist to have new guides installed
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2.02/1.60 valves in #113 heads
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Does anybody here have this combo?
If somebody does, what size valve seats did you use and
where did you buy them?

Posted on: 2010/1/23 18:09
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Re: Bob weigth
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It looks like my calculation was OK.
In software, piston weigth should be input
together with pin weigth.

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I was calculating bob weigth and this is what I came up with

piston - 495g - reciprocating weigth
pin - 130g - reciprocating weigth
spirolocks - 2g - reciprocating weigth
ring set - 28g - reciprocating weigth
rod small end - 191g - reciprocating weigth
rod big end - 431g - rotating weigth
bearing - 46g - rotating weigth

I was using this formula: rotating weigth + 50% of reciprocating weigth

So I came up with bob weigth of 910g but since there are two pistons
per journal total bob weigth = 1820g

Can somebody verify my numbers?

I found some strange software, Maverick racing crank balance assistant
and according to it, my bob weigth shoul be 1600g????

Here is link to Maverick page and if somebody is interested, scroll
all the way down and download the software.

http://www.maverickracing.co.uk/crankbalsoft.htm

Posted on: 2010/1/19 18:46
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Re: Engine rebuild/upgrade project
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Update:

The torque plate that I had fabricated was finally done,
so I took the block to the machinist.

He will do next operations:
- boring/honing 0.020" over
- milling the decks to 9.000" deck height
- installing new cam bearings
- installing new freeze plugs
- polishing the crankshaft
- check the crank if it's in tolerances (I'll double check
that myself)

Here are a few pics:
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While the block will be at the machinist, I will do some
work on the heads and intake. As you know, one of my heads
had some serious damage, so I gathered a new one. Only
difference is that this head is completelly stock. So now
I have one fully ported head (by myself) and one stock.

I've cleaned one of the ports just to take some pics for
comparison. I will do some more porting on both heads, as
there is still some room for improvement but I'll do that
later, after I'll have seats for new 2.02/1.60 valves
installed.

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Re: What intake for high end 383?
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cuisinartvette wrote:
It will last fine, dont listen that that hogwash. Good parts/machine work etc...Plenty of DDs out there turning over 7k on occasion. Not all day but you get the idea.
Obviously a motor that turns less rpm is prone to last longer but what the hey, ones you can spin up there can be fun.


Exactly!

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Re: What intake for high end 383?
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Thank you Will for such detailed post.
I was hearing a lot of stuff that engine that turns
7200-7300 won't be streetable at all, and that it won't
last very long.
Well, I don't expect to put too many miles on it, but
with my 3000 miles/year average, I think that it'll last
for quite a while, with good maintenance of course.

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Re: What intake for high end 383?
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I'll go solid for sure. I was just wondering, because
it sounds really high for hydraulic. But either way,
I'm impressed with numbers.

Will, how is that car on the street. I know that you
have manual, but how is drivability? At what rpms does
it become alive?

How many miles do you have on it, and how much do you expect
to make with it?

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