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Re: 700r4 vs.4l60e
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I may have to compromise and go with a 700r4, my tech says I can manually shift it, to make up for not having the "e" trans

this is still hell of alot easier that having to shift all the time with the ZF

what do you think? it saves me 800 bucks is it worth being frugal in this department?

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The 700R4 WOT shift points are controlled by the governor. It can be adjusted fairly easily and cheaply to get the WOT shifts right where you want them.

The part throttle shifts are a combination of the governor springs, the TV cable and other things. I have yet to figure out how to get the part throttle shift rpms up where I want them. Weaker governor springs will not let it shift at all. Adjusting the TV cable will make a small difference but can burn up the trans in a hurry. I've been told a TCI constant pressure valvebody will allow me to put the TV cable wherever I want it in order to raise part throttle shifts and will not burn up the trans, but I haven't tried one yet.

The shift firmness can be changed with a shift kit or smaller shift improver kit. Fairly cheap and easy to do and works great.


The "e" transmissions are completely computer controlled. I wish I had one. I think you can install an "e" trans in your car but you will need the trans wiring harness, possibly the entire engine wiring harness, and the pcm from a car that came with an "e" transmission. If your car is an '89 then you will need to find a pcm that used MAF and an "e" transmission. It can be done, search on www.thirdgen.org in the DIY prom section. I'm sure I've seen people talk about doing this.




with a manual i notice i have the luxury of shifting, at any rpm and different in any gear... wonderful.
wind second short 3rd what ever....skip 5th go to 6th

so in a automatic is there only two (2) possibilities?

1/ WOT set it a forget it, this could be a bit much as sometimes i want to just make a mustang go away without seeing a shift light go off, so you say once it set, it targets the preset rpm and that's it?


2/ is less that WOT still WOT to the tranny?


when is the stock trans suppose to shift at partial throttle?

what is partial? something less than WOT?

you see, i drive like anyone else does, a little of this and a little of that, how is an automatic suppose to know what gear you need? my power band in wide so being right is not crucial, but i am interested in gas mileage and noise level, who wants a high shift when you want a conversation?

is it a function of load or speed or rpm?

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can the 700r4 be made to shift with the same versatility of the "e" version

to avoid an external controller

specifically WOT shifts and part throttle normal driving, this would save me a ton of money if it can accomplish this, I'll compromise if someone will tell be the differences.

and is the e over rate as far as strength compared to the 700r4?

will the e be able to interface with my vss configuration (89 vette)

with a new sensor or is this impossible? thanks

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Re: 6 Speed conversion from 4L60, would you do it?
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Huh? It's harder for you to keep a manual running? If that is your logic, the auto will NOT fix that problem.


I kill it alot or at least more than i like, I can't dirve basically, nor am I an owner of logic...

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Re: what is the stock stall speed on an automatic C4 Vette?
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If you are talking about an '89, the stall speed is very low, around 1200 to 1400. Earlier years had higher stalls. You would benefit greatly with a 2200 rpm stall converter, or higher if you don't mind living with a high stall slushy feeling for around town low speed driving or going up a driveway, etc. I have a 2800 stall and wouldn't want to go any higher for a car that is driven much. If my car was a daily driver I'd go 2000 to 2200.

I never went to an aftermarket shifter because I set my car up to shift automatically. Some time in recalibrating the governor was time well spent and didn't cost much at all. The stock shifting is kind of weak, and is worse with a high stall converter.

700R4 mileage is totally up in the air. The stock '89 vette trans in my car had just over 100K miles and was holding up to mid 11 sec. 1/4 mile passes on a 2800 stall converter, a B+M shift improver kit, and a tranny cooler. I went with a beefy rebuilt trans when I changed my setup to run mid 10's but it was still going strong when removed. I don't think it would have lasted long at mid 10's but who knows.

If this car is going to be 11's or slower in the 1/4, and not used for autocross or road racing, or is just going to get beat on the street, I'd install a converter and a tranny cooler, and a decent shift kit, (or a TCI constant pressure valvebody), and recalibrate the governor to get it shifting where you want and run it. (or disregard the valvebody and governor if you want to shift manually). That trans might go tomorrow or might last for a long time. The '89 was one of the better stock 700R4's. If it is to be road raced or autocrossed, IMO, it won't survive long with any amount of power put to it. You would likely be best to swap it out now, before failure.


Thanks that is a great explanation!

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what is the stock stall speed on an automatic C4 Vette?
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thanks, and do flex plates wear out?

and are there any benefit to an aftermarket auto shifter over stock?

what is maximum mileage for a 700r4 before it should be consider for a recondition?

what is the most mileage trans that I can have a shift kit installed?

should I install a shift kit anyways? is the stock shifting( I never been in a automatic Vette) kind of weak?

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Re: 6 Speed conversion from 4L60, would you do it?
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They are filming on the North SHore. I drove into their shoot one day in my Island Car. OOPS.
I will figure a way. I do travel to and from the Mainland. I am leaving here in Nov, but i dont think it will fit in a Pelican case



This is me: I hate shifting it is over, I am tired of stalling at the light and slipping the clutch to keep it running and backing up with nursing the left leg to tell the pedal what to do...I need a 700r and every other piece, but Hawaii shipping is suicide and I am in Los Angeles

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-te ... -swap-from-a-6-speed.html


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-pa ... flywheel-look-inside.html

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Re: 6 Speed conversion from 4L60, would you do it?
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89 first zf6, before that doug nash 4+3

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Re: Removing the IAC?
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good time to bypass the coolant, and reset minimum air and TPS, baby tune up...

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Re: *UPDATE* Tried the WD40 - IAC trick (1992 LT1)
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i was told over at 3rd gen that there is grease in the gears and wd 40 would wash that out, i changed mine 2 days ago, 27.00 autozone, it worked and the herky jerky idle went away...

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Re: please explain the difference between a thread chaser and a tap
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I didn't exactly invest in quality tools like Craftsmans, i went to auto zone and bought some Great neck brand standard and metric stuff, total ~40.00

the PO of the Super ram, bolted on an additional throttle cable bracket plate, this offset the bracket( for what i don't know)

i removed. that had some cut off bolts as plugs (3), so on one hand it save one area of the plenum and on the other hand it help "degrade" some areas of the Super ram.

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Re: please explain the difference between a thread chaser and a tap
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i don't know how they do it during manufacture of the item, but after creating a looser "environment" with the tap,

i looked closer at what was done, what i saw was the tap would create a deeper valley and more pronounced "V" shape, while the original machining, had more of a concave "C" bottom in the grooving.

the loss of this material from the "wouldn't hurt it tapping" would allow for enough play that was not present in the first place to appear.

the holes I "tampered with" are for sure looser, but not screw up, just I would not have did that again if I had the same initial thought

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Re: please explain the difference between a thread chaser and a tap
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so those are chasers, i bought taps and i rarely ever drill and make new threads, ever, i don't fabricate in that manner,
so you are saying the chasers was meant to "repair"screwed up threads while taps should never be used to repair only to originate new threads, correct?

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Re: please explain the difference between a thread chaser and a tap
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in purchasing new fasteners from mc master carr, i did my due diligence on the correct bolt for each hole in the supper ram set up.

with that data, i used the corresponding tap to "chase" the holes but not all the holes, (thank goodness), thinking i am doing an ease of assembly procedure.

then some of those hole would wobble a bolt when inserted, no problems with leaks but it just irks me....

picture of a chaser?

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please explain the difference between a thread chaser and a tap
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months ago i " chased" some threads with a tap set,on my supperram,and it f'd it up making very loose, why would someone make something like that

my base plate got hurt and my plenum got hurt, and then i read about a chase.

don't they manufacture the cast aluminum parts with the same dimension taps?

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omg wtf

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Re: Viagra for your coupe
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it's called a c7

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Re: are all base plates the same?
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the plate says tpis, i suppose they are made for tpis, is it verified that the tpis has work done? is it cnc? or hand work?

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Re: shift light tach lead
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too hot here in LA to impair a vent with a light, but i got it in and it works....


Actually the Raptor light is only about 3/4" diameter, A/C works great.


the glowshift i got for 29.99 shipped, didn't pony up for a raptor

in the future i will lengthen the wires to the pot and mount it somewhere, encase the circuit board and mount it behind the dash or hidden somewhere and put a multi led somewhere on the bezel, front and center

I can mess around with the rpms until i get the car dyno'd whereas the other without the pot, is set...

meanwhile the clunker sits atop the column, not too shabby....

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i follow the instruction they had 2 wires in a loop, and clipping one or both with configure it for a 4 or 6 cylinder

I left them alone....as the default is 8cyl

heck i think i was holding steady , well not really just slow accelerating...

i fault the stock tack, i trigger the rev limiter once again, testing this stuff, i set that at 6225, and gas on at 5997 rpm

the stock tack is woefully inadequate.

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too hot here in LA to impair a vent with a light, but i got it in and it works....



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on a test run...

the tach reads 3800 and the light reads 4400-4500

i am not revving it fast just holding it slow, which is right and which is wrong...

I know oem tachs are inaccurate, but what is the remedy?

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It was pin E1 on Connector C100 on mine.



from my picture i counted over 5 which is E and row one is the bottom, and the wire is white...

i may take a risk and just splice without checking

thanks for all the confirmation.

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thanks sir...

i saw two white and one thicker than the other, the wire before and off of the filter is white...

will the filter bother the performance of the light?

what is the filter for? i heard in some cases it works against aftermarket tachs...

again thanks!!

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i suppose i could put a meter on the distributor and the wires and call it a day....duh or rather tommarrow

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Do you have the Helm Factory Service Manual? If not, get it.

Seriously... many of your wiring related questions will be answered by that book... and if you are doing ANY THING electrical with these cars.

And if you can't fully understand it, we can help with that, and those with the same manual can direct you to pages.


i will take your advice to heart, meanwhile all i need is a down and dirty answer, and i am sure some of you have done it before me.

i have located a link to a lTx car with the c100 connector, which i have found but they mention the tach and power lead G1 and G2.


I found the connector and the and the G2 and G! but the colors were wrong I think i am close, I really don't want to open the dash to tee into the tach nor tee into the distributor and run a wire through the firewall when one is already there.

someone has got to have done this and a simple pink, black or whatever would do the trick.

I'll make it simple just tell me in the picture below which is the tach wire and I would be eternally indebted...


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1989 atari

can't find the right color code for the tach feed coming thru the firewall, i scraped up the dash trying to take it apart, i put it back when i remember it was too much of a pain in the behind

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i paid almost 600 for my doug's albeit they were 1 3/4" i had to keep the stock cats positioning on the 89 with a magnaflow y.

so there maybe a Californian market

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didn't mention suspension...

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Re: are all base plates the same?
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you're missing the point, i know ron, i do not want to have him port the base plate perhaps the runners and plenum, i am gathering some info on extrude hone for now, the engine was just assembled and won't be for months before it comes apart if at all, for porting and honing

matter of fact the manifold leaked so bad and allowed sucking and ate so much oil,i gave me fits durinjg break-in i am very leary about taking it off, just to see zero gains, hence my questions...

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Yes, but if you are going to port it yourself anyways, why pay TPIS extra to port it?

If you have the accel, just use that. I don't have any pics of my edelbrock handy, but I've seen the accel and I don't see a noteworthy difference.


i thought the tpis is the same price as edlebrock, and it is ported already, buying the edelbrock and porting it will net a higher cost.

you are saying the accel is constructed the same meaning the ports are smaller to accommodate the end users applications, and before install should be port matched?

how can extrude honing accomplish port matching? do they stick the manifold in an apparatus that mimics your port size, for example afr 195 heads? and go to town with the slurry?

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For the cost of the extrude honing and buying the base at $400, then adding in the runners you could buy a better intake. I am going to use TPI on my rebuild because I'm trying to do some porting myself and stick on a somewhat budget.

Matthew


There's hardly any room to port on the stock TPI setup. Or if you mean you want to port a TPIS intake, save your money and port an edelbrock instead.


i thought you said the tpis is a ported edelbrock

i have an original accel, is there improvement potential in there?

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what is a better intake, i have a super ram, i heard paying attention to the porting, Siamese the runners on these things will free up some torque.
i lost some on the lower and may eventually look to capture some down low stuff and was wondering without buying more hardware or different hardware, if some porting the base plate (accel, supperram ) will add another 20~30 ft lbs

extrude honing with not in itself match ports correct?

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accel, edelbrock, stock, big mouth?

any other you can think of?

in what order of which flows the best?

can an aftermarket be extrude honed?

what something like (extrude)that cost and who does it?

is it worth the trouble or just bolt on and go...

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Re: what is meant by over revving an engine?
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since the party is over at around 5500 rpm, is it wise to set the limiter at 6000? or there about? and not go to 6500 (stock)

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Yes. I revved a stock 350 bottom end to 6200 rpm shift points for a season with no problems, but that was with an HSR intake and other supporting mods so that was about the optimal shift point for me.

For you, I'm guessing 5500 to 5800 shift points, I'd set the rev limiter around 6000 or 6200.


we'll i to have the arf heads with the 8mm valve stems and 8019 heavy duty springs still newish( 2800 miles), (i know my XFI cam has some steep ramps) and crane gold roller rockers 1.6, if i had a HSR , I know i don't have them, but suppose it did wouldn't these parts could support the higher rpm's correct?.

but suppose i switched to a mini ram for discussion...

would the timing chain break? and the damper grenade?

if not then an occasional miss shift may not be the "
kiss of death": am i wrong here?

i know this is moot as the power band is lower which is fine i like and need the mid and low end torque.


setting the 6000 limit now thanks gents....

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overrev and LT1 and you'll spin the rod bearings.


why an lt1 and not an l98? for rod bearings that is...

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What is meant by over revving????? when you've blown your motor, you over rev'd couldn't resist.


the ultimate limiter, self destruction back to 0 rpm permanently...

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since the party is over at around 5500 rpm, is it wise to set the limiter at 6000? or there about? and not go to 6500 (stock)

thanks

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what would be my super ram optimal shift points?


This test on a SR equiped 383 ( with bigger cam than yours ) shows it losing power badly past 5500 so there is little point reving higher because you will be slowing down. You will also note in the comparison ; only the HSR and MR show power gains through 6000.

http://www.compcams.com/Community/Art ... Details.asp?ID=1737510521


thanks, just what i needed

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i am not talking about sustained high rpm's just drag race type shifting.

if the engine goes to that rpm (high), and does not limit itself, like a tpi car is know for wheezing at 4800 rpms, what harm?

then aside from the weakest part, i do have some parts like the 2 bolt mains, the edlebrock roller timing chain and the vibraton damper in there stating those parts should not exceed 6000 rpm. should i excercise caution with these or is it a non issue?

is there a safety cushion when they sell this stuff,
since my stock tach is literally garbage, i have triggered the rev limiter set at 6500 once, and didn't know what it( sudden bogging)was until yesterday that the tach was too slow.


what would be my super ram optimal shift points?


any enlightenment on this would be great and thanks...

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welcome

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what did you do throw the stuff out? 23,000 is not a lot of exposure to heat, i have 135,000, now i am concerned

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Thanks!

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too nice to be hidden, oh i guess that's why you posted!

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Re: how crucial is the front spoiler on a c4 other than esthetics?
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the po had a huge messed up and worn to shred prowler in the front, it caused the permanent bending of the aluminum, the 2 piece post is for the painted lip seen on some cars, i figure this gives the depth clearance

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didn't think they would establish an end date on something like that, the cinching has improved but did not go away... oh well

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no more parts....

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just wd'd mine runs better, but what are the signs it is sticking?

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then why is it i don't see them under the car?

that actually makes it better than mustangs with the unibodies cause the rails don't meet up in the center.

really our cars sit on an old school frame

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