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TRIES" to start? Cranks? Catches? Rough idle or Runs high idle and dies after about 10-20 sec. With it running it to me is easier to find leaks. It tries to fire as soon as you turn the key. |
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| Churchkey | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Suggest WD40 while it is running. Spray all the gasket joints. If the motor "catches" & runs smooth for a second or two you have found at least one vacuum leak.
Did you dry fit the base manifold to check manifold to head clearance? If the manifold has been milled for use on a block with zero deck or with milled heads you will need thicker manifold to head gaskets. If you had trouble getting the manifold bolts started in the heads it more than likely has been milled. |
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No problem here
Did you dry fit the base manifold to check manifold to head clearance? If the manifold has been milled for use on a block with zero deck or with milled heads you will need thicker manifold to head gaskets. If you had trouble getting the manifold bolts started in the heads it more than likely has been milled. Forgot about the wd40 |
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Need a break. Fires on first click and raves to about 2000 for about 10 sec and dies real smooth running Replaces and rerouted some lines. Getting close. Not enough time to get out and spray anything. My helper left.
After another glass of wine more visual test. |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Well son lit up cigar blew in tube smoke came out bottom runner on passenger side.
In picture you can see gasket sticking up from where runner attaches to mani. This is the old gasket Well smoke works Tear down time. no biggie Attach file:  20131226_211053.jpeg (218.75 KB) 20131226_214958.jpeg (299.59 KB) |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Surprising things I checked very closely. The first two bolts I put my screwdriver on were very loose. I used antiseize on all the bolts to lesson the chance of vacuum leaks would be minimized. If I would have used locktight this would have a bigger pita. On a new learning curve right now.
Will start again when it warms up. 32 right now. This is the port the bolt was dropped in. Off to O'rilles for gaskets. |
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| Matatk | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Did you try simply tightening the bolts and checking again for leaks before you tear it apart?
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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| bogus | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Use RTV on the bolts... Anti-seize will work loose.
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Well no more help from my kid he installed this runner. Notice the gap. I pulled the top bolts and the runners fell back that far. I think I should have him install a lift kit 4/4 for Andy  Pull Bottom two runner bolts left put gasket on torque. Using RTV LOL. Your right Andy Anti-seize will work loose Attach file: 20131227_144827.jpeg (213.06 KB) |
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| Matatk | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Nonsense. Antiseize on any bolt going into an aluminum head and on your aluminum superram. Gaskets compress and sometimes require 2-3 cycles of tightening. Tighten everything in stages and evenly. I have no leaks with my superram with that method. |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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No help now should be ok
Working slowly Lot eaiser the second time. |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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looks like I might need a thread restorer for the bottom two runner bolts. I think they are 8mm 1.25x 25
anyone know for sure. |
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| Churchkey | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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If the bolt threads are damaged the manifold or head threads in the aluminum are damaged.
Ace hardware or NAPA should have the proper size tap to hopefully clean up the female threads without them needing heli-coils. Take a good bolt with you to determine the thread size. Purchase a tap & 2 new bolts. If you can use bolts that are slightly longer get them. Some grease on the tap will collect the shavings. |
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Just left Sears got taps already have 2 new bolts. Never tried the grease good Idea. 8m 1.25 fits there bolt jig so will find out son My kid is ADHD and hurries some times. Love it when he helps but Cost me sometimes Thanks for the help This will be tomorrows project |
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I would not use a tap unless necessary. I would try a thread restorer first. A tap can remove material in the bolt hole and if it's too much you won't get a good tight seal/connection with the bolt and thread.
I have this, works well: http://m.summitracing.com/parts/shc-9 ... MrQy5r30rsCFcxAMgod3SgA5A |
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Well that is what I was trying to find. Thanks |
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| BillH | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Absolutely, NEVER use a tap. Interesting thing on that set, it's $58......I paid $49 for it over 15 years ago. That set's saved me way over $1,000. I also use these on EVERY hole/used bolt on anything I'm rebuilding (like the 67 Coupe and the racecar I just rebuilt). |
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| Matatk | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Bill, I am pretty sure you are the one who recommended it to me. I got mine on sale at Sears for about $45.
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| BillH | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Come to think of it, yea. Ends up being one of those tools you use way more than you ever thought you would. |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Ya it is still a good price. I bought the individual 8m 1.25 one an hour ago. $14 Going out in a few remove the runner and get started. Gotta clean house first son has visitation with his kids at my house today. They love playing with grand pa's tools. They will destroy the house later tonight |
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hm... I am not a fan of antiseize on any bolt where torque must be maintained - or made. It changes the torque numbers dramatically. I would rather go in dry. For example - a bolt that requires 30 ft lb dry will grow to 45+ with antisieze. That screws up all sorts of equations! Antiseize is super slick shit... and it will throw torque settings off in a big way. The proper solution is to get bolts that are coated in the right material to keep from reacting to the aluminum. This is how GM overcame the problem in the first place. |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Thread chaser worked great. SS bolts work great no hang ups.. Can be seen on intake in picture Son will be here soon going to do smoke test on runners before I put the Pizza box on.
Got a $10 off coupon from Sears going to order Thread chaser set Monday. http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-40 ... =6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6 Attach file: 20131228_152508.jpeg (343.34 KB) |
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There is no way I would put a stainless steel bolt into aluminum without anti-seize or arp thread sealant. I agree it changes torque values, but don't be king kong tightening things down and you are ok.
I don't know where this chart came from, but it's the only one I could find online:  This site supposedly addresses anti-seize concerns: http://www.sw-em.com/anti_seize.htm |
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| istter1 | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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The stainless are not in the runners. I ran them in just for the pic.
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Found no other source so final torque will be 25
using 3/8 torque wrench hand tight, 15 lb ,final 25 lb used 15 last night 25 tomorrow unless some one else has a suggestion http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tpi ... -runner-bolt-torques.html Bolts being used are 1.25 /25 in bottom not any ss in runners. I used ss on the lid as suggested by others http://tpiparts.net/tpi_torque_specificationshttp://torques. TPI Torque Specifications Below are the torque specifications as designated by GM for Tuned Port Injection intakes. Please note that some specifications are in lb. ft., and some are in lb. in. Manifold to Runner Bolts 25 lb. ft. Runner to Manifold Bolts 25 lb. ft. Fuel Rail Attaching Bolts 15 lb. ft. Throttle Body Attaching Bolts 18 lb. ft. Throttle Position Sensor 18 lb. in. Idle Air Control Valve 13 lb. ft. Throttle Body Coolant Plate 27 lb. in. Throttle Body Cover Plate 30 lb. in. Power Brake Vacuum Fitting 108 lb. in. Fuel Line Nuts 20 lb. ft. Fuel Tube Bracket Bolt 25 lb. ft. Fuel Pressure Connection 115 lb. in. Pressure Regulator Base to Rail 44 lb. in. Pressure Regulator Bracket 44 lb. in. Outlet Tube to R/H Rail Retainer 44 lb. in. Attach file: 20131201_203500.jpeg (125.24 KB) |
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| BillH | Re: Super Ram on the way | ||
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Got the ARP catalog? It doesn't have everything in it but does have some good stuff on torque (at least the older one does). Order online for free. |
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http://www.arp-bolts.com/p/catalogrequest.php
Thanks cool information Once garage warms up final torque on runners. |
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exactly my point. thread sealant is much like RTV without the change in torque settings. |
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Looks like that hole is meant for a cap screw
what exactly is that a picture of? McMaster usually lists all of the bolt dimensions |
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What is your point? ARP thread sealant has PTFE (teflon), which is known for being slippery and it remains non-hardened after installation....RTV makes stuff stick and hardens. You are not comparing similar substances. ARP sealant is similar to putting on teflon tape and it certainly changes torque values vs RTV. |
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I looked, all I saw was what torque value to use on ARP bolts with their sealant applied. |
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That picture was a 8 1.25 cap on the Supper Ram runners. I changed to Metric socket cap, Class 12.9 steel black oil finish, 8mm x 1.25mm.It is all thread not like in picture It fits right in the slot. Runners are now torqued to 25fp Going to check drivers side bolts fix a couple wires .and start putting her back together. Attach file:  socket-head-length.gif (5.16 KB) 20131201_203500.jpeg (125.24 KB) |
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Why is it not seating inside the relief?
That's a real source of a leak for now try a WIDE washer with a gasket and see if it seals. |
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The picture is the stock bolt on runner. The other one fits in hole. That is why I changed
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It is idling at 1000. I let it run so ecm could adjust to new injectors. Will adjust TPS in a little while. Hopefully that takes care of it. Thanks for all the help guys Almost done Knock on wood |
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Adjust the base idle as well, that TB might be set high.
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Still working on it .No vac leaks I can find.
Will work the bugs out tomorrow |
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I drew a blank at first when you said set base idle. So I looked it up. I imagine others don't have any idea what it is so here it is. Is this correct for my 87??? |
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Yes, that is it.
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Cool thanks Mat
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Idles nice dies as I go forward. will figure it out tomorrow
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I have a similar problem going from park to reverse. I think mine is in the tune. I have replaced my IAC and found zero vacuum leaks. I see the commanded idle speed vs actual on the scanner and the computer tries to over compensate the IAC motor. I have heard of others with similar problems with the SR. I read the tuner can adjust the IAC tables so it is not as sensitive.
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Read this not sure if this is relevant.
Regarding the erratic cold start: It is difficult to get the right balance between start-up fuel enrichment vs coolant temp, open loop fuel vs coolant temp. spark advance and desired idle rpm vs coolant temp to get a stable idle right from start-up through warm-up. Expect lots of fine tuning in these areas to get it right. Regarding stalling: Stalling with the clutch disengaged while rolling is likely a mismatch between the min air and the warm IAC park position vs. coolant temp table. Not enough air! Either the min air is insufficient or the warm IAC park position vs coolant temp table is permitting the IAC to close too far. This needs to be tuned to match the car's demand for air at idle vs coolant temperature. A short term fix would be to increase the min air to something close or equal to your normal desired warm idle rpm, that way the IAC can't reduce the air to the point of stalling. It helps if you know the desired idle rpm to set the min air appropriately. If you increase the min air, be sure to set the tps back where it belongs, or the warm IAC park position table will hold the rpm up in a stationary idle. I see you have an 86 4+3. FYI: we recently hacked an 88 bin to work specifically for 86 4+3 cars. See this thread for more details: |
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Well talked to PCM. Since I am going by the vehicle tack when I set the base idle it may be to low. The vet died between 400-500 It would idle at 600. Will give it a shot when I get home.
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I have tried raising my minimum idle speed and it did not matter. Ymmv.
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The IAC may be dropping out to early suggest trying the base idle @ 550 to 600. If that works leave it until the ECU relearns the system.
Mine had a microscopic flat spot off closed loop idle what finally eliminated it was a TPS setting of .58. It still gave 31 mpg left lane interstate. AC off, 6sp car. Ran it that way for 3+ years. |
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Funny Alvin said pretty much the same thing. I talked with my friend at his shop said the same thing and that it takes the ecu a while to learn to adapt. I didn't realize the difference in sound this intake makes> I thought there was something wrong with my exhaust. |
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Posted on: 2014/1/3 6:09
Edited by istter1 on 2014/1/3 6:26:40 Edited by istter1 on 2014/1/3 6:33:29 |
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That sounds good Steve.
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Posted on: 2014/1/3 14:53
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