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flyboy | Cause of failed ICM | ||
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I popped the cover on the failed ignition control module that caused my '91 to shut down on the road 3 times and finally die completely in my driveway (at least I made it home).
3 year old NAPA part branded Echlin, assembled in Hong Kong. It's inside the distributor on the HEI ignition. The circuit board itself looks OK and is covered in a gooey gel. The 7 flat terminal plates on the circuit board have a small wire face soldered to them and face soldered to a plate that is connected to each of the 7 male ICM connections. The amount of solder is microscopic and the one to the + terminal was loose causing the intermittent dying problem which throws no code BTW. It's not very reassuring knowing the car's ability to run is hanging on a thread. Carry a spare. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 21:21
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Ultraman | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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So do you think those ignition parts are all made that way anymore, or can you find a quality part even if it cost more....? Like from Chevy for instance....glad you made it home.
I have always hated that we are all a black box away from being stranded. Or a fuel pump in the gas tank.... |
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 21:31
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flyboy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Yeah, one would think that a critical connection like that would be more secure, like a crimp for instance, not a flimsy lap soldered connection.
I'm not going to take my new ACDelco module apart to find out if it's any better, something tells me it's not, but I am going to try and find out if there is a better made part out there. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 22:14
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pianoguy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Great detective work!
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 22:21
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flyboy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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At least the cover on the original GM part is sealed, not just snapped on like the NAPA part.
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 22:31
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flyboy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Top dollar doesn't necessarily mean top quality either.
Live and learn, I guess. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 23:10
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BillH | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Just to note, the last AC Delco ICM (LT1) I bought was labled "Made in Singapore".
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Posted on: 2012/4/25 23:51
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bogus | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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yuck.
Have you had the courage to fix that NAPA part and put it back on? I wonder if it would still work. It would make me want to visit www.eficonnection.com and do their entire LSx ignition conversion! |
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 0:08
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joeld | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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flyboy wrote: At least the cover on the original GM part is sealed, not just snapped on like the NAPA part. [/quote The magic word here is "original". For the last several years I have come to accept the fact that 99.9% of ALL replacement parts for any car is pretty much junk. It's a shame that the brand names we used to trust are built just about the same as all the others. Thanks for the info. Joel |
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Matatk | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Did you solder it and test it? If so it sounds like a good back up.
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 3:14
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flyboy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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I pried gently on the other 6 connections and 2 were barely hanging on. I have 2 working original '91 modules to go with the new ACDelco I should receive today from Rock Auto ($50) that as joeld said will be of questionable quality.
I have read on other sites that the name brand manufacturers buy from the lowest bidder and believe it. A remote mount, say the firewall, could maybe help these things live longer, less heat/vibration, but that's not going to happen. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 12:30
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Matatk | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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I like the idea of a remote mount ICM. The LT1 has one for obvious reasons, but they still suffer heat related deaths due to the mounting location. I wonder how difficult the wiring process would be. Plus, I would think you'd want a sealed storage location for it for moisture.
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BillH | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Brilliant, huh? But then some of those last for 200k. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 15:02
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flyboy | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Just got my new ICM and coil from Rock Auto. The ICM must be some NOS, hurray. The coil, who knows.
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 15:18
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bogus | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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The exception? I have found that OEM parts for the Japanese makers still maintain that quality. |
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Posted on: 2012/4/26 20:22
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96bowtie | Re: Cause of failed ICM | ||
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Are you use heat transfer compound under the icm?
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Posted on: 2012/5/4 19:18
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