Hello all,

My '87 L98 has 162,500 miles on it. It is out of the car and we are going to do a complete rebuild. I do only street driving/long road trips. I would like to get it up over 300HP but the main thing is for it to be reliable.

I am thinking AFR 180 cc Eliminator heads and a BBK intake manifold (if they ever get it into production). Maybe a mild cam. However, I have a clean sheet of paper and I am wondering if those who have done this before have any words of wisdom to impart.

Best regards,
Big T

What is your budget? Time frame? What kind of shape is the block in? Have you considered stroking it?

Matthew

you could get way more then 300chp with your stock heads.

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That's what I meant to say. In their stock form, 350HP is accepted, a light port 375ish.

Look, I have to do it.

You're exactly the kind of person all my rants and raves I hope would help. Seems to me you're picking cool parts in a vacuum without considering your build and got some bad internet advice.

You don't need the intake, you don't need heads to get 300 HP.

Refresh the heads, maybe even port them a little, port the stock intake, bump up the cam, and do 1.6 rockers. You're there.

i have a sweet ligenfelter cam that is right up your alley..
213/219@.050 .492/.502(with 1.6 rockers) on a 112lsa.. let me know if you are interested.

Get forum member Ron (cuisinartvette) to port your intake and perhaps your heads. Your heads will do what you want but a little more can be had with the AFR 180 eliminators. Not enough to justify the price IMO for what your intended uses of your car are. If I were you I'd keep the stock heads if you are staying with a ported TPI. All depends on your budget. Get the compression ratio up to about 10.5:1 and get the quench area to be about .040. Buy pr0zac's cam, it will give you lots of power and torque and should have beautiful street manners. Put a new roller timing chain on it. Do the 1.6 self aligning roller rockers, can be had used for cheap on camaroz28.com. A stroker would be the way to go if you need a new crank but I'm not sure it would be worth the money for what you are doing if your stock crank is re-usable. Put a 2000 rpm lock-up converter in it if it's an auto, will be worth it's weight in gold on that setup. Put a cheap tranny cooler on it too. Do LT headers and a decent exhaust if you can afford it, that will help the power alot too. Used headers can be found on the forums and a used stock LT1 catback will last forever and will have excellent sound and performance and no resonance for those long trips. That is my budget minded suggested build for you and I think it will leave you with a big grin at the end of the day and some cash to buy a case of beer.

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Ron really knows his stuff.
He can build a real torque monster for you if you want.

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I agree. When Ron is done, 375 with the right cam is completely reasonable. And it will be a whole lot cheaper.

Actually on Ron's last build, he got the owner to buy the AFR's, same as me, more bang for the buck.

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Well, let's have a party for RON!!!

Maybe in someone's opinion. But not for this specific application, and you know I don't believe that bullshit.

It just amazes me that any time someone wants to mod the first thing that is pushed is AFR heads and people feel the need to talk others into it.

Do you think the OP ever heard of any other brand? No, I betcha he didn't. He went to a forum somewhere and in an exercise of complete irresponsibility, he was convinced he needs AFR heads. To make 300 HP. I don't get this overwhelming urge by people to make other people buy these heads, if they need them or not. Clearly this OP was convinced the first thing he needs to do is buy AFR heads before anything else....and the poor sucker is probably going to do it too, weather he needs it or not. Well, it's his money let him piss it away, at least some people will think he's cool.

Forget the fact, as I said before, the Brodix IKs are $500 less and will do this build with no problem, and more. Hell, the guy hasn't even mentioned cam specs and people are selling him heads without even knowing anything about the rest of the build. And you're all ok with that. Sigh. I don't get it.

That is what is wrong with the internet.

Well I don't believe in your cr@p either.

We did out the #'s and it was cheaper to go with the AFR

I realize you hate AFR.
Guess what I don't care.
You tried getting something for nothing out of them, same as you do to everyone else, and it didn't work

Boo Hoo

MOVE ON ALREADY!

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I don't hate an intimate object

I hate leghumpers, they are like drug pushers. Oh, and BTW, that's not you. I've never seen you do it.

But where do you think the OP got this crap he needs new AFR heads? It's almost reflex. Someone says Mods, and someone comes in with AFR.

The AFRs were not cheaper than the IKs and for his application it is a superior match and will provide all of the performance of the AFRs in this stated scope of work for $500 less.

Unless you're a leghumper, you'll have to concede the point.

So, once again, I have a problem with leghumpers, not AFR for the 1,345 time. They tell people to buy things they don't need and spend money they shouldn't spend.

Quote:ok. what numbers where done out. all the guy needs is a cam to make the numbers he wants. a hot cam kit would do the trick in short order. hell it would closer to 300 wheel.
BTW i don't give a rats ass what heads you use, if you just want a new set or need a new set. i am simply just giving you ideas and ways i have made or exceeded your goals.

So what was this posters question? Something about what he might use for his build I beleive.

Here's the #

$100 Intake
$200 Heads
$160 valve job
$100 cut for bigger valves
$20 valve seals
$150 springs and HD retainers
$430 Iconel exhaust valves
$130 Manley Raceflo stainless intake valves
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$1,290
$750 Porting
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$2,040.00 Total

The AFR's were cheaper, and outflow the competition.

Hump that!

Enough.
I am sick to death of the bad attitudes lately.
I have yet to ban anyone on this forum. I hope to keep it that way.

Pete, you are preach'n to the choir, brother.

Do I hear an AMEN?!!?

Oh, wait, only other mods can reply. That should make amen's real easy to get.