I tried it - It turns out the early spring will NOT work in the later car due to the design of the later lower control arms. The difference in spring design is almost unnoticeable when the springs are side by side off the car but, the earlier one is just different enough at the outer tips that it's a no go.

I decided to stay with my stock springs and just replaced all my stock bushings with poly bushings. I also replaced my original shocks with Z-51 Bilsteins. Car feels fantastic now.

Here's a project we worked on earlier this year which was just debut at the SEMA show in Las Vegas - 400+HP open sleigh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDNLUzjkpg&feature=player_embedded

and an article about the project car:

http://www.0-60mag.com/online/?p=20459

And some pic's of the sleigh it pulls posted on some forum:

http://www.tremek.com/forum/car-pictu ... -ken-blocks-trax-sti.html

It's pretty wicked in person!

A colleague of mine has attended many of their modules. He's a big fan of the school. While you are correct their modules focus primarily on Aviation he's been asked if he is interested in instructing the Motorsport oriented class. Apparently the school gets more than a few students there whose focus is Motorsports. He does assist with instructing from time to time. Didn't know if you may know anyone at the school - it's a small community as you know!

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Could well have been - just a bit before my time I was around 10 or so when Carson was a national event! I believe the car was retired from competition around '87/'88. JB was still building Audi's at that time (mainly for his stepson Paul Choiniere) but JB would occasionally drive as well.

How about the Typhoon? 454ss pickups? Those late 70's/early 80's Turbo Camaro's? The Turbo Trans Am's (GTA I believe?) JDSWHITE93 mentioned. There was also a very rare mid 80's Trans Am that had a different hatch from the factory. It was not a glass hatch but rather a fiberglass unit anyone remember what those were called?

I bet the Earnhart/Gordon cars are a pretty safe bet, as would be a Petty car, etc. Big names are for sure the safest bet in this field of speculation.

Off topic - Bill have you heard of Abaris Composite school in Reno, NV?

Excellent Bill thanks for the great advice! As well as being vented I understand that the MSD unit uses a real bearing, one piece aluminum housing (never heard of an Opti housing being an issue but, can't hurt being a sturdier unit) and as you mentioned O-ring construction.

I'm looking more for reliability/durability than any performance gain.

I have been reading with interest the various opti-elimination kit's available but, I would like to keep my car as stock appearing as possible (at least for now).

I noticed thepartsladi has OEM AC/Delco Opti's for $290- but, as you mentioned my '93 is not vented and I realize the OE unit will not be vented either.

I wonder the difference between thepartsladi's $290 unit and the Summit "GM PERFORMANCE" part which is $100 more?

Thanks again Bill,

Anyone heard of this? I've been searching around for replacement Opti options for my '93 and found this on Summitracing.com:

GM Performance 10457702 - GM Performance Parts Replacement Optispark Distributors

Description states:

"Replace your Optispark with new GM Performance Parts quality.

When it's time to replace your LT1's Optispark distributor, don't settle for a remanufactured unit when you can buy a brand new one. GM Performance Parts offers new replacement Optispark distributors that are guaranteed to fit and perform better than new".

Price: $399.95

So, is this just a stock, factory GM Opti with "Performance" added to the name?

Is it worth the extra $75.00 for the MSD unit?

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I agree the ZR1 has what it takes to become collectible as does the Callaway and Buick Grand National but time will tell. Who would have ever guessed a VW Bug would be worth so much?

Maybe it will be cars like the original '83/'84 Rabbit GTI's that will bring big $$$ if all original in the future? A historically significant car in it's own right as they terrorized autocross courses in the 80's/90's but I don't think anyone put them in moth balls. Same with the Dodge Omni GLH Turbo's remember those?

Wow interesting thread. It's always interesting to hear debate over collector cars (or would be collector cars, or future collector cars). Think of those who bought Fiero's in '84 and socked them away. Or Delorians? Neither came to fruition. Cars like Jaguar E-Types have been all over the map. Up, down, up, down in value. It's crazy. And Bogus mentioned the Ferrari 365 GTB/4 (Daytona) - I believe it was the fastest front engine Ferrari of it's time (or to that time) and it is rare but certainly not distinct looking for a Ferrari. While very, very few real convertibles were built by Ferrari people were hacking the tops off coupes in the 70's to make verts so, they could not have been seen as collectible back then.

NASCAR's will be interesting. The Nascar demographic is aging, and they say the sport is falling in popularity. But vintage race cars are always interesting speculation.

I have a friend who owns an original factory built Audi Group B World Rally Car. The car was built in Germany by AudiSport and campaigned by Michelle Mouton when she won Rally Sanremo in 1981. She came damn close to winning the WRC championship in 1982 but succumbed to mechanical issues to take 2nd overall.

The car came to the states and was campaigned by my former employer/friend John Buffum who ran the car a number of years in the US. He set several records at Pike's Peak with the car before it was retired. It now sits in his shop in as raced condition. He still drives it from time to time and keeps it in mechanically sound condition. It was used as a course opening car in Maine a few years ago. Who knows what the car is worth? More than a few have traveled from all over the world to see it, but he had stated many times that the car is not for sale.

At work we built/campaigned the last car Colin McRae drove in competition, a gold SoBe '06 STI which he famously rolled in the final turn of X Games 12. The car was also featured on the cover of his video game "Colin McRae Dirt". The car sat at the shop untouched and still damaged for some time after X Games as there was interest from several parties to purchase the car as it finished X Games. These inquiries increased after he passed away unexpectedly but, no purchase ever materialized. We eventually stripped the body panels and repaired the car. The car was painted white and sold to a privateer. The gold SoBe body panels are still in storage at work.

Race cars are interesting because they are built for a purpose. They are a tool. Once their useful life is over they are stripped and harvested of parts still useful and destroyed or sold on to someone else who can still use the car. Some manage to survive but not many. Little is usually thought of the collector value of these competition cars. As difficult as it is to gauge what regular production cars will rise in value I think it's more difficult to gauge interest in Race Cars as you are looking at a smaller audience of people who would actually have the means and desire to purchase a retired one.

Thanks for all the replies. I'm contemplating the Banski kit right now. The car will go up for winter storage soon so I am not in a big rush. While the Banski kit is overkill for my street driven car a good pair of Moog tie rod's are at least $60/$70 each and although only one is bad I will replace both as I have to re-toe the car at the same time.

Manchester, NH - I'm up in Colchester, VT. You're only a few hours from me! And it seems nothing is ever "only a few hours" from me!

I bought my first C4 in '96. I think I've been through 5 or 6 of them honestly can't remember. The C4 gets scary at speeds modern cars are just getting going. The C4's chassis flex is deplorable. It's quick (fast for it's day for sure) but the L98/LT1 is not fast by today's standards as compared to other performance cars. From comfort and performance standpoints the C5 is a better car hands down and it should be.

What's really great about the C4:

It's a great summer/cruising car. I love my '93 vert as a summer car. To me it's a great LOOKING car. A lowered C4 vert looks fantastic. Wide, low, wide rims/tires. The wrap around interior is what the interior of a car that looks like the C4 should look like. The C4 to me looks the part without paying the big $$$ for a real high performance car. The clambshell hood looks cool/exotic when open, the suspension is all aluminum and looks cool (even if it doesn't perform as well as it looks). 6 gears is cool/semi exotic (not necessary but, we're talking cool looking here). The harsh ride/frame flex make you feel like you are going faster than you are and at a higher speed than you actually are - with I think is a good thing on a street car - helps keeps you out of trouble.

Cost of ownership is dirt cheap. Insurance is dirt cheap. Parts are dirt cheap compared to anything that looks or feels similar. You can't buy a cheaper car that looks the part that's for sure. The kid's won't go without an education because you bought or own one. IMHO The C4's above listed attributes make it a fantastic street car to drive and to own.

I've been looking around for a replacement rear tie rod end (toe link) for my '93. Came across this on Corvette Central's website: "TIE ROD END - OUTER FRONT OR REAR - 2 REQUIRED". Makes it sound like the front and rear's are the same. Is this correct? My car's not here so I can't even do a quick visual. If anyone can shed some light on this I'd appreciate it thanks.

Also, where are Guru's buying parts online these days? I need rear toe links and a pair of horns for my '93.

Thanks!

Hi Brian if your friend has interest in Rally and plans to attend any Rally America ProRally's here in the states I can arrange a full "back stage" tour of our cars, transporters, etc if he is interested. I work for Subaru's factory team here in the US at: www.vtcar.com. While I don't travel to the events anymore it is no problem to arrange for him to meet with our Marketing guys for an all access tour.

Thanks bogus. I thought I mentioned all the rebuilds I come across are indeed blue tag transmissions. I've done a lot of research on the ZF over the past week. We build competition gearboxes at work (not zf's, mind you) but 6 speed dog boxes and sequential shift transmissions. Even considering we have numerous jig plates/platforms and a huge collection of trans specific tooling and a guy who only rebuilds transmission I still can't see rebuilding mine - the prices I've seen in parts alone make that proposition cost prohibitive.

I am fairly certain my trans must be a black tag. It's very noisy, especially in 1st and neutral which I hear is a trait of the black tag.

The more I think about it a good used transmission should be fine for my purposes. I'm very easy on equipment.

Well I have a 1993 6 speed and 2nd gear syncro is bad. I actually bought the car with a bad 2nd gear syncro and the price of the car reflected it so it's not so bad. I've driven the car for the past year and a half with no 2nd which isn't that bad but I'm going to be putting the car up for the winter and would like to take care of the trans next spring. I have a few options:

1) get a $1200 E-bay box. This seems really reasonable for a new (rebuilt?) transmission. Although some are advertised as new I'm sure they are rebuilt which is fine by me.

2) used - seems they are available for around $500/$600 with claims of 40 to 50k. I don't abuse equipment or drive hard. There is a black tag on E-bay now which is fairly close to me so freight would be cheap. Says 40k and shifted fine. I'm sure it would last me as long as I have the car.

My car has 95k on it and is pretty much stock. It's in good shape everything works paint, top and interior are very nice. I'll probably keep it next summer but, I'm starting to get an ich for a C5 as well and they are getting down there in price.

Opinions on new(rebuilt) vs. used?

thanks!

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I've definitely got to check out your C5 soon!

There is a Corvette show in Stowe every summer I was going to see if you wanted to go but, I completely spaced as it was in early June!! Maybe next year?

If you get down to Burlington be sure to give me a call and stop in! If not I will have to cruise up to see you this summer.

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I work at a Vermont SportsCar (www.vtcar.com) We are the factory Rally Team for Subaru in the US (www.rally.subaru.com). We campaign three cars in the Rally America (www.rally-america.com) championship which features different rounds of competition throughout the US. We also compete in the X Games. Last year we also competed in the WRC, the World Rally Series. We still do occasional events overseas. Our drivers are Travis Pastrana, Ken Block and Dave Mirra.

It takes anywhere from 800 to 1000 man hours to build each car depending on the spec. They start as stock road going Subaru Impreza's. We strip them to bare shells then strengthen the chassis, install roll cage, paint then reassemble using a combination of stock and race parts. Here's a time lapse of one of our cars being built (at the end I'm the guy in the white hat):

http://www.rally.subaru.com/timelapse.html

I've been working in Rally Racing for the past 13 years formally for the factory Hyundai team and now the Subaru team. I was a mechanic for about 10 years, I also did quite a bit of paint work. Then I moved into marketing for a year, and now run the parts department while working with/learning a lot about the accounting side of things (I was in College for accounting when I started with the Hyundai team). I also did a fair share of restoration work along the way (the owner started out in high end restoration work).

Happy to answer any questions about the cars but, I don't bring up work much here after all this is a Corvette forum!

My Dad is in his early seventies. He's been a Baseball fan all his life. Since his retirement 10+ years ago he travels to a ball game or two a year with his friends. Here is an excerpt from an E-mail he sent today regarding his trip last week (sorry, he types in Cap's, he's only been on the internet for about a month now).

WED PM WENT TO LUNCH AT "HARRY CARRIES RESTAURANT" HE WAS A FAMOUS SPORTSCASTER FOR THE CUBS FOR YEARS. THIS IS A HUGE RESTAURANT WITH ALL THE MEMORABILIA ON THE WALLS & PICTURES OF CELEBRITIES. LOW AND BEHOLD WE HAD JUST SAT DOWN AT THE BAR TO ORDER OUR SANDWICHES AND THE MANAGER CAME UP TO US AND ASKED IF WE WERE FROM THAT AREA, WE TOLD HIM NO WE WERE FROM VT. WE CHATED FOR A FEW MINUTES ABOUT THE GAMES WE WERE GOING TO TAKE IN AND HE ASKED IF WE WOULD LIKE TO MEET "HALL OF FAMER" ERNIE BANKS.

ERNIE IS CALLED MR. CUB, WE SAID THAT WOULD BE GREAT.(WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE TRAPPED INTO PAYING BIG BUCKS TO TALK TO HIM, SUCH A BIG CELEBRITY), HE TOOK US AROUND THE CORNER TO A TABLE FOR FOUR IN THE DINING ROOM AND THERE WAS ERNIE SITTING THERE. HE (THE MANAGER) SAID THAT THESE ARE TWO FELLAS THAT ARE FROM VERMONT DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES, ERNIE SHOOK HANDS WITH US AND WE INTRODUCED OURSELVES. HE SAID SIT DOWN AND HE ASKED WERE WE LIVED IN VT ANF IF WE WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME ETC.

HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT HIS BRILLIANT CAREER WITH THE CUBS ONLY ABOUT US AND OUR FAMILIES AND OUR CAREERS HE KNEW WE KNEW HIS HISTORY AND HE SAID HE HAD ONE REGRET THAT HE NEVER WON THE WORLD SERIES. I SAID THAT" THE SERIES IS ONLY ONE YEAR BUT THE HALL OF FAME IS FOREVER". HE LAUGHED AND SAID HE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE AND WE TALKED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR A HIGHLIGHT IN BOTH JOHN'S AND MY LIFE.

I'm afraid to say I don't know who Ernie Banks is (I'm not a baseball fan per se) but, I have to say he sounds like he's a very nice guy with a lot of class. This was a huge deal to my dad. This was my dad's first outing with his friend since we lost my mother very unexpectedly earlier this year.

Just though I'd share this.

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LOL

that's a riot!

Went Skydiving for the first time this morning. It's an incredible experience to say the least. Wife mentioned in passing once that she wanted to do it so, her birthday was the other day and I told her I was taking her.

Other than that looking forward to a nice quiet Sunday. I may align the 'vette tomorrow but that's about it.

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Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck....lol

Here's to a speedy recovery Brian!

Hi everyone - been away from the forum for a little while as work is crazy getting ready for X Games in August but, here is a cool clip of our car featured on the British TV show "Top Gear". James May rode with our driver Ken Block in his car at an old air field in California. This aired in Europe last week, it will be on the program here in the US later this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQ4wX8CGbM

I'll be around here more often after the first week in August when things slow down at work.

Hope everyone is having a great summer!!

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Heilige Scheiße!

Absoluter Müll!!

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No one mentioned change FOR THE BETTER!

goo gone works great!

A neighbor at work does vinyl graphic work and had a Prius he was working on the other day. I took it for a quick spin - I don't know how people live with those things everyday. What a soul-less driving experience.

Congrats to you both!

Here's another cool in car - three alternating camera angels, topo map, MPH, You have to listen through the interview at the beginning but it's worth the wait.

http://www.rally.subaru.com/concord.html

Here we go - talk about cool in car!

http://jalopnik.com/5177206/exclusive ... wood-rally-in+car-footage

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Well that doesn't help much - I thought they were less $$ than that.

We just got that software - takes the datalog from the Motec ECU for a given run and displays real time tach, throttle position, gear selection, and I believe MPH.

I'll see if any of the vid's are on the net somewhere...

Can someone tell me what years use a DMFW?

And what years can substitute a DMFW with a SMFW?

thanks,

At work we've gone round and round for years with in car cameras. Our current setup is from "Chase Cam". Marketing seems to be happy with them at this point:

http://www.chasecam.com/

Here is some in car shot with the cameras:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HgB-W3iKdU

From what it looks like as Bill mentioned sharp steering input + throttle = spin. It is hard to tell though.

You caught right up to him in that corner!

LOL I was just going to say I have a few threads going would you be so kind as to clean them up?

Polo/tan is a fantastic color combo. Very classy. When I was 20 (1995) I bought my first C4, a sliver/grey two tone '84. At the time I didn't know too much about Corvettes, as I wasn't on the internet yet and there are few Corvettes up where I live. I pulled into a gas station and there was a guy fueling up a '92 or '93 polo/tan vert. Car was just a few years old and it looked beautiful. That was the first time I saw a later C4 up close. That car left a lasting impression on me. Even though my car is black/black, I love polo/tan to this day.

I agree 100% with your sediment regarding the lines of the C4. I bought my current one last July for my B-day. I pondered long and hard between a black/tan '99 C5 and my black/black C4. Well, you know how it turned out. I don't regret the decision for a second. I love the looks of the C4 to this day.

The rims are Z06 knock off's from E-bay seller "O E Wheels". Just got them Friday. 17x9.5 and 18x10.5 deep dish rear. The add says "Z06 wheels" but I've yet to see a Z06 with this style wheel. I considered several wheels for about a month before these won out. I was a little skeptical about them as I wasn't sure how they would look but now that they are on the car I am more than pleased with the choice. Best part was they were cheap too, $585 shipped.

Well I've never posted pic's of my vette on line but I always enjoy looking at pic's of other peoples cars so, today I cleaned my cars and figured why not snap some pic's? Here is my '93:

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And here are the two together:

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Well I've never posted pic's of my vette on line but I always enjoy looking at pic's of others car so, today I cleaned my cars and figured why not snap some pic's? Here is my '93:

[IMG]http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f336/vtvette/DSCN3520.jpg[/IMG]

Taylor sounds like the way to go from what others have posted.

Someone mentioned NAPA wires. I haven't been to a NAPA in a long time but years ago all of NAPA's wires were made by Belden which is a quality wire manufacturer. These would be tough to beat on a budget.

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That's the first thing I thought of when I heard about this.

Did you have your original wheels chromed or were they already chromed when you got the car?

I'm on the fence about ordering Chrome A-molds. I like chrome with black (my '93 is black) but, I'm concerned about the quality of the chrome job on aftermarket wheels.

I suppose I could get Chrome A-molds and when the chrome starts to go to hell have them blasted then re-chromed from a quality coater.

I also like the look of chromed sawblades but I would really like to go with a 11" wide rear and that means original ZR1 rears for sawblades which = $$$.

That or, I may just get polished A-molds and call it a day.

I can't recall ever seeing chromes 16" C4s. Your early C4 wheels look fantastic!

Sad to see them go but, your reasoning is completely understandable.

"Ridged and Structured" - Sounds much like another company that could not adjust to changing time - IBM.

The facts are at this point major restructuring cannot happen without chapter 11 for a myriad of legal reasons involving the UAW as well as the dealership network. The changes necessary are too drastic for conventional long term downsizing, as the company is living month to month ff taxpayers money. There are very, very few examples (non I can think of off the top of my head) of large corporations that have successfully downsized without the assistance of Chapter 11.

As long as we're all playing arm chair CEO my ideal off the top of my head would be:

Chevrolet: - the "mass market" brand - everything from the Aveo to the Malibu (very successful sales numbers) to the Camaro and Corvette and pickup trucks. No panel vans, no box trucks GMC dealers get those.

GMC: the commercial truck division. box trucks, panel vans, etc. Dealerships are re tuned to deliver top commercial brand sales and service. No pickups here. **maybe** a line of stake body or specialty trucks build on pickup chassis developed specifically for certain industries but NO conventional pickup trucks.

Saturn (possibly): The entry level/"punk" brand - Chevy dealers give up a corner of the showroom to the new Saturn brand. Small, cheap, and funky. Radical marketing.

Cadillac - the luxury division period. No Cimmarons or catera's ever. Strictly top level, top performing luxury based cars. Everything else is a chevy.

Bye Bye Pontiac, Buick, Saab (sell), Hummer, etc.

Now consider what a plan to drop any sizable number of your dealer network would have done to the value of the stock even if the program was implemented over a long period of time? Let's say they planned to implement this plan in the early 90's. At that time GM's sales accounted for a very healthy 36% of new US car sales. Wanna rock that boat?

And what of the dealership owners who have invested millions of dollars in tooling, training, floor space, etc to sell a product you are now eliminating? The stand alone GMC truck dealership that has been in the family for two generations? What is he to do? How's it going to look when the old man is on the front page of the USA today with the caption "Pushed out by GM" - old man Jones has been a GMC dealer for 55 years in rural Pennsylvania. Now GM wants to eliminate his franchise" Imagine that headline not in 2009, but in 1995 when sales were strong?? Substitute GMC truck for any GM product you want.

Then there is the legal implications due to franchising laws in most states. It's not as easy as saying "well, it was a good run but, we're not selling Pontiac anymore. Thanks for carrying our brand. Here's a gold watch and a plaque".

Olds was a real reality check for GM. GM spent an est. $2 billion avoiding or settling franchise lawsuits with their dealers when they axed Olds which they were completely unprepared for and made them gun shy to attempt to eliminate any other brands.

Once GM files chapter 11 it's an entirely different story. Until then dealing with legacy dealer franchises, the UAW, etc can prove to be very difficult.

One of GM's biggest problems is the size of their dealership network. GM sells roughly the same amount of cars that Toyota sells in the US. GM has about 6200 US dealerships, Toyota about 1200. GM suffers from bloating over a long period of time everyone knows this. Over the past 80+ years up until about 20 years ago GM was one of the "big three", a behemoth in the auto industry that was seen as too big to either conquer or fail.

15 or so years ago the executives could see restructuring was necessary. Hell, a recent college grad could have told them that it wouldn't take the CEO of a fortune 500 company to see that.

This thread has identified many of the problems at GM - And I will tell you without question that the brass at gm was well aware of them years and years ago before Joe public had any idea they were even problems. This begs the question:

SO WHY WEREN'T THESE CHANGES BEING MADE???????

The biggest problems were..... drum roll please!


The problem is that most of these executives that could have brought to light the problems on the horizon were probably looking at a couple of years until retirement then a big fat departure check. None of these guys was gonna rock the boat and could see that although issues were looming they would not become major issues until after they were retired to their beach house in Boca Raton.

GM is a publicly traded company. One of the major issues today is that "investors" have NO stomach for price fluctuation whatsoever. Rather than take advantage of naturally occurring price fluctuation most sell sell sell at the fist sign of a price drop in the value of a stock. There are many, many reasons a stock will drop in price not all of them bad but, try explaining to Joe public that the 20% drop in his protfolio is a good thing long term. It's not gonna happen in a time where instant results has become expected.

Money managers (be it hedge, mutual funds, whathaveyou) as well as the brass at publicly traded companies know this so, decisions made by the top brass of many major corporations as well as the money managers and brokers out there are quarter to quarter, not long term.

For most brass of publicly traded companies the single underlying determinant of most any decision is "how will this decision effect stock prices this quarter?". It can be very, very difficult to make necessary long term decision that will lower stock prices in the short term when this mentality is paramount. Small changes over the long term would have gone far to help alleviate the issues GM is facing today but, back in '89 or '90 chiming up at a meeting and suggesting a coarse of action that would drop the value of the stock half a percentage point would have been met with ridiculed or at least ignored. And the guy who didn't make that decision is now sitting in his beach house reading about this mess in the paper. He's long retired.

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Haven't tried he water based stuff yet. We have no restrictions on paint here in VT so, I continue to use what I know and am use to.

I am curious to try a water based paint at some point but I know very little about it and don't do nearly as much painting these day as I used to.

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I'm thinking the same thing. The price is hard to beat for a great looking rim. They may be a little on the heavy side but that's not an issue for me (street car only).

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I used to freelance for a team called "Paladin Rally":

http://www.paladinrally.com/

The wife's been sick lately so, I suspect things will be quite at home today. I will probably plop down on the couch when I get home as work has been very busy lately. We have an office/den which has become overrun with stuff we've put off finding homes for. I could start cleaning up in there but, probably not. Later I'll work out a bit then go out in the hot tub and read a few annual reports then watch an episode or two of the X Files, then off to bed.

It's non-stop excitement!

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LOL bad analogy - I'll change to "turning radius of a Greyhound bus".

Why is the turning radius in my '93 so damn wide? was there a factory rack (year) that was tighter? Maybe a Z51 rack? Compared to my BMW my '93 is like turning a cruise ship.

Kevin, do you know which brand of rims are in the first and second pictures you posted?

Thanks,