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Well, if you know the wheel rate of a leaf spring setup, and the spring angle of the coilover setup, shouldn't you be able to set them equal to each other and solve for the coilover spring rate?
I'm using this as a reference: wheel rate calculation
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I'd have to agree with that. I have the Z51 springs on my car and I can feel it being much stiffer and having less weight transfer but I know my shocks don't damp them enough. How? Because there is a particular turn (RH) that has a set of rumble strips in it. Every time I hit those rumbles the car becomes very upset and I hate to admit how many times I've spun there. I spoke to Gary about this and he suggested that the shocks can't damp the spring enough and after I leave the rumbles, the spring is still bouncing, causing the rear end to have a mind of its own, which makes sense to me. I think your above statement is dead on. Use springs to control weight and weight transfer, use the shocks to control the springs.
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Mmmm, very interesting. My first question is would option 1:
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really help control the rate @ which the right side is loaded? I'm picturing T1 in the South Chicane @ NHMS (my home track) which is a left hander off the front straight. Even in my stock LT1 I can go into it @ about 100 mph. As I turn left the right side will be loaded regardless of the extension of the LR shock. In fact, if the reaction is so slow, I can picture picking up the LR wheel off the ground, which does nothing for grip. Given that, I'd say option 2 would be better than option 1, but still less desirable than controlling the weight transfer with the proper spring rate. That's a great question though, I'm looking forward to seeing where this thread goes.
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As is evident from my car being "smooth"!
Posted on: 2008/11/8 16:17
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Don't be surpsrised if Ian runs the "classic" configuration. That's what he did when I was there a few weeks ago.
I can say however that the new pavement is phenominal. I carried speed like never before and was getting great grip through Big Bend. Right up until the last session of the day when I spun @ the exit of Big Bend and went into the tire wall on the right. They've also softened the transition @ the bottom of the downhill onto the front straight. I picked up about 5 mph there.
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Re: New product offering: spherical rod end toe rods (to go with your trailing arms & camber rods) |
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Just updated some of the pics in the OP to reflect the safety washers we have put in place on the kit.
I also have a set of boots on the way for fitment. If they work I hope to have them shortly.
Posted on: 2008/10/22 1:09
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Contact me offline and we can discuss.
Posted on: 2008/10/14 11:08
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I have found the same thing on mine, as I usually check the links after each time at the track. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for using a boot however, especially on the street. Quote:
Ray: I'll look into offering the boots ... good idea.
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bogus wrote: how do you keep these clean on the street? The easiest way is to use a rod end boot. [IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/turban65/sealsitrodendboot.jpg[/IMG] They can typically be had from a vendor like Seals It Quote: Is there a regular maintenance cycle? Being Teflon lined, no there is no maintenance.
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We're excited to announce that we finally have our toe rod kit available to compliment our trailing arms and camber rods. These toe rods use the same type of aluminum links with steel rod ends as our other rear suspension components. The kit also comes with a batwing mounting bracket that uses the stock M10 mounting holes and is self indexing for the 1/2" bolts that the rods mount to. This pic is with the safety plate removed for clarity.
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The indexing features on the back side of the batwing bracket.
On the knuckle side a high strength 17-4 PH Stainless Steel adpater mounts the rod to the knuckle. This pic shows the knuckle with the safety washer removed for clarity.
All the details of the kit can be found on our website by following this link If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact us.
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They're currently priced @ $350 for the trailing arms & $225 for the camber rods (~ $475 total). I will be offering a toe rod kit shortly which should be about $350 as well.
Posted on: 2008/10/6 1:18
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Agreed, that's how I've got my car set up. I would say that an adjustable link is step 1 for the reason above and step 2 would be an adjustable sway bar to further refine the suspension.
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Gary and I have rear lower shock mounts on the way. I hope to be able to test them @ NHMS @ the end of the month as I'll be there two weekends in a row. I've been working on the sway bar links but have yet to come up with something that I like. I've actually gone through two adjustable fronts and one adjustable rear this season. Hoping to do more work on this one soon.
Posted on: 2008/10/4 20:48
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Yes I am, and have seen them online. I've been looking @ the whole front double A-arm setup and wondering about how it can be done better for a reasonable price. Unfortunately I haven't had any flashes of brilliance wake me @ 2:00 in the morning yet.
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Hey Guys, Just wanted to let you know that we recently got in a batch of new parts that will extend our line of rod end style rear suspension links. We now have a second style of spacer that offsets the trailing arms over 1/4" outboard on each side to give additional clearance for a coilover setup. With these spacers there shouldn't be any problems with running springs up to 3-1/2" OD. As you'll see these new spacers are tapered just like the standard set and are made of the same grade of stainless steel. Below is an image that shows the difference between the two types of spacers:
All the details and more images can be found on our website at www.banskimotorsports.com where orders can be placed directly through our online shop. We're excited to be able offer this new variation and if you have any questions please feel free to contact me via PM on the guru, or via email or the website.
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Thanks. It's always nice to get good feedback from members. The omega clamps replacing the jam nuts are the big selling point for us, along with the new spacers.
Posted on: 2008/9/5 17:22
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No, I do my own sourcing but we use some of the same vendors. Quote: I do have a question. Is the larger OD of the tapered spacer bigger than the OD of the bearing race? If not, it should be or a larger washer should be used to prevent the shock from coming off. Yes they are. I was concerned that might be an issue which is why the OD is as large as it is. Is there a standard for that? It may depend on the sanctioning body.
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BrianCunningham wrote: Nice! Is it worth retrofitting the ones I bought? If so, how much? I'll contact you offline via email.
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Mekanic wrote: as soon as I get some money I will be ordering a set. My bushings are totally shot, so I need to tear into it anyway. Only problem is, I'm a motor guy, not a suspension guy. The adjustability has me a bit nervous, cause I don't wanna screw something up, and there are no half way decent alignment shops around here. No need to be nervous. The installation instructions tell you how to set the bolt to bolt length on the trailing arms the same as your stock links to start. As time goes on and you're more comfortable, you can adjust as you see fit. Once you have the length set just tighten the omega clamps and you should not have any worries. As far as alignment, I'm willing to bet you could easily do it yourself. Contact me off line and I can set you up with some instructions on DIY alignments.
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Just wanted to let you all know that we have plenty of parts to make more rod end suspension link kits for your C4s. We also wanted to announce that we recently upgraded the spacers we use on the kit. The new spacers are not tubular anymore but tapered. This tapered design allows for maximum rotation of the rod end while also better distributing the clamping force of the nut and bolt. Not only will this prevent damage to the aluminum suspension knuckle but it will prevent the spacers from sliding into the clearance holes of the frame brackets. Below are a couple of pictures to illustrate.
  Please check out our website http://www.banskimotorsports.com for all the details of these suspension kits as well as pictures of them installed on a customer's car. Orders can be placed directly from our online shop. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact us through this forum or our website.
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Actually I got it off the cafe express store website. Along with a snazzy new hat!
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I consider myself lucky to feel so welcomed here to the Guru. And I wanted to prove to you guys that #1 I mean that and #2 it's no BS, we use what we develop @ the track and test under competition conditions. Here is a pic from Turn 10 @ our home track of New Hampshire Motor Speedway when we were there testing last Monday (8/18).
 
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Thanks for comments on the toe rods. I'm hoping to have more news on them after Labor Day weekend. I do have some vids but haven't pulled them off the camera yet.
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We can now process credit card orders directly as well as PayPal at our online store @ www.shop.banskimotorsports.com
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It's been quite busy here @ Banski MotorSports lately. We've shipped a total of 9 suspension kits out all over the U.S. and one to the UK as well!
I just wanted to let you all know that we have one kit left in stock and it's ready to ship immediately. We also have another batch coming and are taking orders now. The great news is that our website is now up and running! It's not real fancy but it does give a place to let you see products and purchase directly. Right now we have only a PayPal payment option in place but we are working on getting direct credit card sales in place. Please visit our website www.banskimotorsports.com if you would like to view the products or you can go directly to our online shop www.shop.banskimotorsports.com to place your purchase. We've gotten some great feedback on the product and we're excited to be bringing more of them to you. We hope to expand the offerings of this line as well as offer more rear suspension products soon. Lastly, thanks to all of you who have purchased our kit and we hope you're as happy with it as we were with it on our car. And a big thanks to corvette-guru for allowing us to bring them to you.
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Bump for some revised pricing.
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I've been working on a few things for my car but they have not come along as quickly as I'd hoped. I installed Z51 springs on my car last winter and retrofitted the front to be ride height adjustable with jack screws. Although I was successful, it was a lot of work and customization. It's not something I think most people would want to buy into as it's not just bolt and go. Gary @ Hardbar and I have discussed it many times though and are still brainstorming. I am working on a solution for the swaybar end links as well. I think replacing the rubber/poly bushings with metal and installing adj end links is the way to go. I have that setup almost done on my car. I've also considered doing roller bearing upper and lower A-arms but frankly haven't done much with that yet. Lastly, I am also working on a toe rod kit to accompany these rear links and will be doing brackets as accessories as well.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "proper geometry"? We recommend setting the bolt to bolt length the same as your stock dog bones for the trailing arms, at least to start. The length of the camber rods will be determined by what you want for camber obviously. When installed there are spacers that go on either side of the rod end to ensure it does not slide back & forth on the bolt. When tightened, the link cannot move from its mounting points but can rotate slightly because of the spherical ends. Hope that answers your question.
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Glad to hear that you're happy so far. I have been very happy with them on my car as well. I have noticed that at autocross my car is much more stable and has a lot more rear grip and I think you hit the nail on the head with your 2nd post.
Also, I took the car to NH Motor Speedway (my home track) a couple weeks ago for a 2-day Time Trial. With the same (street) tires and brakes that I ran as last Oct, I picked up 2 seconds on my lap time! Now I also changed the springs from stock FE1 to Z51 over the winter but there is no doubt in my mind that this kit helped with rear grip and reducing my times. We are also ordering more components so we are able to build more kits, see our thread at: http://www.corvette-guru.com/modules/ ... php?topic_id=4482&forum=1 We are also working on a toe rod kit as well as a bracket kit for both the trailing arms and the camber rods, based on feedback from CC and other customers.
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I have these same kits on my 93 coupe and have been very happy with the results. The rear end stays planted much better than when I had the stock aluminum links and poly bushings. I have had great results at both autocross and at the track.
I developed this kit with Gary from Hardbar and although there are other kits on the market we both feel this kit is superior in many ways. The bodies are knurled for easy grip and adjustment, even when on the car. The ends of the links are slotted like a collet and use Omega style clamps to lock the rod ends in place and eliminates the jam nuts, which can come loose. All you need to fully tighten the rod ends in place is a 1/4" 12 point socket. No need for 2 large wrenches to go in tight spaces like with jam nuts. I have sold five kits so far and have gotten some great feedback from the buyers. I have more parts on order and will be able to ship in about a week. The kits are as follows: Red anodized aluminum turnbuckle links with steel bodied, Teflon lined spherical rod ends. All components are American made. Nuts & bolts are all Grade 8 hardware. All necessary spacers and washers are provided. Trailing Arm Kit: $350 + $20 S&H Camber Rod Kit: $225 + $10 S&H If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. You can PM me through the forum or use my email below. I am a registered vendor with corvette-guru. The easiest method of payment right now is PayPal, but I will discuss other methods if you prefer.
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Just an update. We have shipped the first three sets and have parts to make six more so there are more avaailable.
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CentralCoaster wrote: The next thing I'd be interested in seeing is adjustable front sway bar end links. I don't need the sway bar to be adjustable, but the stock end links are HORRIBLE and bind badly. It's funny that you say that because I also put adj swaybar end links on both the front and rear of my car this winter. Unfortunately my supplier of the turnbuckles doesn't make anything that small yet so I had to go the jam nut route. My biggest complaint is that the replacement bushings I bought were not fit well at all for either the stock FE1 sway bar or the 32 mm solid that I put in last weekend. I put something together but I'm not entirely happy with it. Looks like a have another project on the list! Quote: CentralCoaster wrote:Plus that'd allow me to adjust cornerweights right? Not necessarily. Corner weighting comes from adjusting the springs in each corner. However that spring adjustment is done with the swaybar disconnected. Then when complete you use the adj link to ensure that there is no pre-load on the sway bar. Example: I ended up jacking the LR corner of my car until my cross wt % was 50% (with the swaybar disconnected). Then I adjusted the end links so they were just the right length to be snug (no play) between the sway bar and the control arm, but not have any major tension on it either.
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rayquayle wrote: How do I get the ball rolling? Just Paypal the 10% to banskimotorsports@verizon.net? Then wait for contact from you when they are ready to ship and Paypal the balance? Thanks. Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: I can send you a deposit on the camber links for now if you'd like. PMs sent on payment and order details.
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rayquayle wrote:And I would assume we could purchase replacement rod ends . You certainly can buy replacement rod ends. Central Coaster's post above is correct that you can buy replacement rod ends from a number of sources. Please check with me however as I might be able to make a better deal or at least match what you find to make sure you get the best stuff. Quote: rayquayle wrote:One question though, would you be willing to ship USPS. That's how I receive my mail through the Military Postal System via USPS. Thanks. They look great BTW. Yes I would, that's no problem at all.
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These two actually go hand in hand. I spoke with the rod end mfr today and they advised that a Teflon lined rod end will provide 10%-20% more strength than a similarly sized grease fitting equipped rod end. Quote:
More or less wear depends on so many things it's hard to say for sure. However, I like the Teflon lined because they are "no maintainence". If you forget to grease one of the others you might get premature wear.
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1 to 2 weeks right now as I only have one set on hand but will likely be ordering more. Quote:
I can but it would mess up the red anodize on the links, and I agree with Gary that I don't think you'd need it. I will do it however if that's what you'd like.
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CentralCoaster wrote: Can you verify if these will work on a 84-87 suspension? It should work fine for the early C4s. One of the other nice features is that it is adj length so they can be tuned for any car. All the mounting hardware is 1/2" diameter on the frame side and 5/8" diameter on the knuckle side. Quote: Also I believe Gary is a supporting vendor here. Is he selling them or just you? I am also a supporting vendor of the Guru, I sent Bogus my info a few months ago. But to answer your question: No, Gary is not selling them at this point, only I am as it is the first offering of the product.
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TommyT-Bone wrote: As long as they all end up with no shreaded fiberglass and no bent metal I can deal with it. My g/f didn't think it was so funny when I showed her the video. Needless to say the new policy is "what happens at the track stays at the track". Quote: TommyT-Bone wrote: No but that's pretty good ... I'll have to remember that.
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C'mon Gary all the way around the track going in the right direction and with all four tires on the pavement? What fun is that? Here's an amateur's view of NHIS:
http://media.putfile.com/Turn-3-spin--NHIS http://media.putfile.com/circling-the-bowl
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Hi All,
Just wanted to post here real quick and introduce myself. I've been a member for a while but only recently logged in and started posting. I'm also a registered vendor and hope to be bringing you guys a number of cool product offerings this year. I know Gary over @ Hardbar well and we've worked on a number of projects together. I'm an autocross and time trial competitor here in the NorthEast as well and used this same screen name and avatar over on CF. If there is anything I can help you with, just drop me a PM or an email (see my sig). Glad to be here. Tom
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OK, I can make that work. I'm also working on getting the price down as I know it's more than what's currently available. I will keep this thread updated if I get any new info. Quote:
PM sent on the rod ends.
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Just a bump for the new week.
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Hey Guys,
I'd like to gauge interest in a kit that I have been working with Hardbar on, recently put on my car and think might be worth offering to others. The kit would replace the stock upper and lower trailing arms and camber rods with adjustable length links with spherical rod ends, like pictured here: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/turban65/C4tierod.jpg Now I know that there are kits like this already on the market, but Gary and I believe this one is superior because it replaces the jam nuts that are typically used to lock the rod ends in place with a clamp that tightens on the ends of the turnbuckle style link and rod end. This offers less chance of loosening and less damage to the threads on either the link or rod end. The kit would include: (2) upper trailing arm links (2) lower trailing arm links (2) camber rods (24) frame & knuckle spacers (4) locating plates for stock cam bolt locations This kit can utilize your stock 12 mm frame and 16 mm knuckle bolts or can be combined with an upgraded hardware kit that replaces the stock hardware with shoulder bolts that offer stronger mounting points that do not put any bolt threads in shear (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/turban65/shoulderbolt.jpg) The installed kit is pictured here on my car (93 coupe) http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a19 ... n65/rearsuspension001.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a19 ... n65/rearsuspension003.jpg All links would be red anodized aluminum with clear anodized aluminum clamps. Links and rod ends are high quality, American made :flag: components. The rod ends have steel bodies and balls and Teflon liners. An upgrade to heavy duty rod ends can also be had. Cost: Basic kit: $849 plus S&H Heavy duty rod end upgrade: $450 Hardware upgrade: $120 If you're interested in this, please post here or drop me a PM. I would need a minimum of 10 sets to offer the pricing above. If you have any questions just let me know.
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Hey, you've got a trailer hitch. I had asked about them a time or two. Oh hell yeah. Used to tow my tires, now I just tow the whole car! 
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The car is much more photogenic than I am (driving)
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Here's a pic of my 93. I did the strips myself. in the middle there is a grey 1" stripe with a white 1" stripe on either side. Then a 2" gap and a 6" stripe on both sides. The stripes go up the hood, over the roof and onto the rear deck. I also painted the hood and fuel door logos white.
 I'm hoping to fix up the very front nose to tie it together this year. I've taken my car off the street and made it a dedicated track dog so I have a black license plate filler now.
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