JrRifleCoach wrote:
http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2011 ... s-funding-illegal-aliens/

Obama said his healthcare plan would not cover illegal aliens – twice. Wilson said “You lie!” to the outrage of many, and for which he was later censured by Pelosi & Co.

Well, it turns out Wilson was right, and we didn’t even have to wait for the full rollout of ObamaCare in 2014 to see it.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced on Tuesday that it has awarded $28.8 million to 67 community health centers with funds from the Obamacare health reform law. But as part of that sum, CNS reports that ”approximately $8.5 million will be used by 25 New Access Point awardees to target services to migrant and seasonal farm workers,” and an HHS official said:

“grant recipients will not check the immigration status of people seeking services. ‘Health centers do not, as a matter of routine practice, ask about or collect data on citizenship or other matters not related to the treatment needs of the patients seeking health services at the center,’ Further, the grant recipients are ‘required to serve all residents’ who walk through their doors”.

So say it again, Joe Wilson: Obama lied. Since “at least” 25% of these “migrant” agricultural workers are illegal aliens, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, that means it will be guaranteed that tens of thousands of illegal aliens will be covered under ObamaCare.

bogus wrote:
For example, if I was visiting Europe, and got ill, I could walk into any clinic, without a bill.

vetteblondie wrote:
Nice, an illegal can get free care but strange that I've held a job all my life and paid into the 'system' and since I'm a single white female and actual U.S. resident....while unemployed, I still was required to pay a portion of my health care and did not qualify for food stamps and my unemployment was only $550 per month....
Yay, Obama... now will those who voted him into office please stand?
That's what I thought.

BeachBum wrote:
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vetteblondie wrote:
Nice, an illegal can get free care but strange that I've held a job all my life and paid into the 'system' and since I'm a single white female and actual U.S. resident....while unemployed, I still was required to pay a portion of my health care and did not qualify for food stamps and my unemployment was only $550 per month....
Yay, Obama... now will those who voted him into office please stand?
That's what I thought.

I am not sure how to respond to this.... for the simple reason, is that of all the people on this board, he's trying to help you the most based upon the above described situation by yourself, but the right is fighting him on that. And yet, you're anti-Obama.... the irony. You are aware, that ObamaCare would provide healthcare for those who cannot afford it as it appears you might have been while unemployed ?.... the other system of no ObamaCare means you keep doing what you're complaining about, because nothing changes from what it is now, if anything, services diminish based upon the cuts the right want to make in social healthcare.... I suspect Medicare/Medicaid are going to be hurt pretty hard in the coming decade, but not sure.

If anybody should be a supporter of him on this board, its you based upon what you are describing above.

I am personally not supporting for or against ObamaCare.... I have never studied the issue close enough to come to a definitive conclusion, but I do know, with his system everybody buys insurance that can afford it, and those that cannot afford it are provided healthcare on some level or at least that is what I think the basic building block of it is, somebody correct me if I am wrong. Apparently, in Mass, as instituted by Romney, this system is working with a high citizen approval rate and I read somewhere that it actually saved them money..... I don't know if that is true myself.

And it certainly doesn't appear any substantial amount of it is designed for non-citizens on any level. (Even though they too have paid hundreds of millions into the system as per my earlier links)

It does beg the question, Romney said he is against it on a Federal level, because it won't work for the USA, but works great for the state of MA..... I do not completely understand that. They have rich people, middle class and poor people in MA, just like the rest of the country....he either flipped on this subject because of the platform he has to follow to appease both his party and the tea-party or there is something else he's not talking about..... I don't know.

Good discussion though.

bogus wrote:The Court is stock full of constitutional purists, so they will always side with the constitution.

bogus wrote:
All I want are facts. If that means I read a 1990 page law, that may be what it takes.

JrRifleCoach wrote:
Chill dude.

Not saying your saying.

Read the lines, not between them.

Not attacking, just stating.

I know its frustrating standing up to face the heat and support your president.
Just look at it this way, in one year, you can't blame it on Bush anymore.......

bogus wrote:
You are right. Any leader elected in 2008 was doomed for failure. Too much wrong, and no one seems to have the patience for a steady resolution. This country used to be in it for the long haul, not any more, instant gratification or nothing. I also wonder how the right wing media would be treating McCain right now? They have been brutal towards Obama (as you can see by some of Steve's retorts, it's almost like grade school taunting). I also wonder how the left would be treating McCain? At their worst, they never gave him names based on slurring his name.

History will be the only true judge of this administrations success or failure.

I don't see Obama as weak, tho. If anything, he is a very aggressive man who pushes all the wrong buttons. He does is share of strong arm politics, much like Bush before him.

Clinton did it too, but he had fineness about it...

JrRifleCoach wrote:
Well Beach Bum, when Andy finishes reading the 1900 page document I'm sure we'll all hear about it.

All I need to know is when Pelousy told the press that "we'll find out whats inside the bill after it passes", that was enough to figure it was not going to be good. And now we learn that Joe Wilson called it right when he called obambi a lair.

In a nutshell here's how it works or doesn't. The government sets up a national health care program. Then offers, oops, forces the citizens to buy the program. Yes, you can use your own private program but the plan is to reduce all the funding that those programs offer (cut Medicare and others) then redirect that money to obambicare. thus forcing the medical professionals to "accept" obambi-care. It also forces the states and employers to join as well. (Missouri already voted to not accept the bill. Others will follow) Medical costs will soar since the rate of return from government sanctioned returns will be dramatically reduced. Since the government doesn't actually make money, they have to generate additional funds through more taxes. Next step is to tax everything you spend your money on, again. And again. And this bill establishes how those taxes are to be administered/collected. But wait, there's more! Large companies like WalMart, GM and other big corps have already worked out deals with congress for amnesty from the plan. And this is where the fucking democrats worked up their secret meetings and "deals" to gather the votes to pass the bill.

So be a moderate, or whatever you want to classify yourself. Bottom line is there are two parties running congress. Jackasses and dinosaurs. Your vote is going to go, one way or the other. Left or right. Red or blue. There is no vote for moderates. Or you can just not vote like most moderates brag about.

Real moderates can watch FoxNews.... :D

bogus wrote:
I agree with all but the "cut your hair" part. No need to make a fashion statement a key to economic recovery.