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| Durango_Boy | Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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I'm exploring the possibility of replacing my iron water pump when I rebuild my 405. I found a long reverse rotation aluminum pump made by a company called Tuff Stuff.
Seems they are Made in America and the pump I want is affordable and meets my needs of being long and reverse rotation. I don't need to change, but I like the idea of the weight savings and hopefully some extra cooling, even if minimal, as an added bonus. Anyone used a Tuff Stuff water pump? Got a review you could post about? Thanks. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/19 17:22
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| bogus | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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| Trae1976 | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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Hmm, don't know anything about them. They do look nice though. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/20 12:24
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| EngineDoctor | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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I never heard of them either. I only know of tuff stuff upholstery cleaner,works good ;)
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Posted on: 2012/6/20 20:09
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| WW7 | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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Be careful with the high flow waterpumps..I bought a Edelbrock High flow pump for my 383 and now my temps are running 5 degrees hotter then with my stock pump..I had heard storys about water passing through a radiator to fast to cool properly, but now I see the storys can be true..I figured since I have a Dewitts radiator the Edelbrock pump would just make it better....WRONG...WW
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 0:33
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| BillH | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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I was going to mention that Wayne, I too think the coolant needs time in thr rad for the fan to pull the heat out. A proper sizes system, proper fan/shroud etc. is the best way to go. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 0:42
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| WW7 | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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After I got my Edelbrock pump, I had a bunch of people suggest getting a Stewart water pump..There street pumps have normal flow but much better components then a stock pump. They make 3 levels of pumps for anything from street to strip and alot of guys swear by them.They start with GM water pump castings, then mill them and install there own parts.For the street they suggest either a"stage 1" or "stage 2" .. WW
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 0:58
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| Durango_Boy | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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The Tuff Stuff pump I am looking at is not a high flow pump. It's, near as I can tell, a standard flow replacement. I too know to avoid high flow pumps. However, I think there is something to be said for the weight savings. When I first built the engine I saw too many horror stories about aluminum pumps giving up and leaking way before their iron counter parts. For that reason I stuck with a tried and true iron pump. Now, there is nothing wrong with it, and I have no problem re-using it. But since I had to take the engine apart I am using this as an opportunity to re-think a couple of decisions I made on the original build and one of them is inclusion of an aluminum pump. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 12:08
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| rklessdriver | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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People know so little about cooling systems.
First off it's a system. There are a number of componets that have to be matched together correctly to make it optimal. The water pump is just one part of the system. We commonly run high volume water pumps on our oval track cars. We also run huge radiators, we play with different size restrictors (no thermostat)to maximize heat transfer, we run 1:1 pulley's to slow the water pump down at high RPM (stock pulley's overdive the WP by 10%) and we run a 24LB radiator cap (stock is 12-16LB). Some of these things transfer over to street cars really well and some don't. Big radiator = Good Water restrictor = Bad (unless you have a race car on the street) 1:1 pulley = Bad for an engine that idles around alot 24LB cap = Bad for plastic radiators and heater cores.... however a TRUE 16LB cap is one of the best things you can do. HV water pump = IMO nothing good/bad one way or the other... however with a weak radiator cap a HV pump can cause the overflow collection part of the cooling system to recirculate alot - Which will cause higher coolant temps. In a case like this a TRUE 16LB radiator cap (like the STANT "racing" caps) will solve the problem. Will |
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| Durango_Boy | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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That's good info, and thanks, but I am failing to see how it relates to what I am asking. My current system cools effectively. I do not experience overheating issues and the system has been well thought out and designed for my engine and my car. I have a good quality aluminum radiator with a proper radiator cap and stock reservoir. I have a 185 degree T-stat with a 1/8" relief hole drilled to allow for a small amount of flow during the warm up process. I have two electric fans. One that comes on with the IGN and one that comes on when the engine coolant temps reach 195. I flush the system and fill with new fluid every Spring. This aluminum pump I am looking at is no different from the iron pump with the exception of it being made from aluminum instead of iron. That's it. It's not a higher flow or higher pressure. It's a long, reverse rotation pump, and I plan on using the same pulley as before. Let me be clear. I don't have a cooling system problem and I am not trying to 'fix' something with this new pump. I don't expect it to all of a sudden run 10 degrees cooler and I'm not expecting it to free up 15% of my power because it has a big name stamped into the side of it. Aluminum pumps weigh less than iron pumps. Weight savings can be very valuable and this is a fast and cheap way to shave off a few more pounds. That's it. Now, IF the pump's aluminum construction allows it to shed heat faster, bonus, but does that matter to me? Nope. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 12:56
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| Matatk | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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What's the weight savings? Six poounds? Is that worth it to experiment with an unknown when you have a working, reliable pump?
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| Durango_Boy | Re: Anyone reviewed Tuff Stuff water pumps? | ||
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Yes, I feel it is. Quality of after market pumps seems to have gone way up in the last few years. I think as long as I continue to research the manufacturer and I am happy with their product, I'll install it with as much confidence as my old pump. The difference isn't as important to me as what it all adds up to. I'm silently working towards a specific weight goal. Just 6 Lbs might not seem like a lot but when added to everything else over time the end result is quite impressive. Think of it like picking up a $1 bill. Is it really worth it? If you pick up a couple hundred of them over your lifetime, yeah it's worth it. |
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Posted on: 2012/6/21 22:08
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