Become a Fan!
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember Me

Lost Password?

Register now!
Main Menu
Who's Online
184 user(s) are online (118 user(s) are browsing Forums)

more...
Guru Dictionary
Print in friendly format Send this term to a friend  C3
Abbreviation for the 3rd generation of Corvettes built from 1968-1982....
Supporting Vendors
Platinum
Mid America Motorworks
Mid America Motorworks FREE CATALOG


Gold
FIC 770-888-1662


Registered Vendors
Guru Friends
Supporting Banners

TIRERACK.com - Revolutionizing Tire Buying


Shop for Winter Tires Now!




Support This Site
 Register To Post

sliding Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
Hi guys.

I've noticed in 2-3 occasions, when I really push the engine, suddenly it starts to feel like there is a lack of power and a lot of smoke comes from the exhaust. It looks like it's white smoke. When I let off the throttle and if I drive with a little throttle, the smoke goes away soon and everything feels normal. This doesn't happen every time when I push it.

I have pulled the plugs, and all 8 look like this. I think this could be caused by cooling liquid. What do you think?
I'm thinking about bad intake manifold gasket. But all 8 plugs are the same. So it must be somewhere in the intake where all 8 cylinders could pull the fluid.
Any ideas and inputs are welcome.
Posted on: 2013/7/9 10:57
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
Posted on: 2013/7/9 10:58
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

C409 Re: Greenish spark plugs
Guru Newb
Clearwater , FL
4 Posts
Member since:
2012/3/13 12:31



Offline
... The green color is most likely an additive in the gas and not coolant ... the smoke might be from excess blow-by pressurizing the PCV vent tube on the Passenger side valve cover feeding oil mist into the throttle body and the intake ... this would cause a power loss as this additional air is not seen by the MAF sensor ... and oil in the combustion chamber will induce detonation causing the knock sensor and ESC to pull timing out .......
Posted on: 2013/7/9 11:59
_________________
Don't be a follower , the view never changes ...
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
I will look into that possibility. But the smoke looked a lot more like it would be from coolant. Also, it looks like there is a little loss of coolant and oil level hasn't changed in 3000 miles.
Posted on: 2013/7/9 12:23
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

rklessdriver Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Woodbridge, VA
1318 Posts
Member since:
2008/1/4 0:00



Offline
I agree with C409. The green color on the ground strap is fuel.

Coolant in the combustion process will blast a spark plug completely clean... almost brand new looking. If there is enough antifreeze in the combustion process it will kill a plug and leave an oily, sweet smelling, slippery film on it.

From what I can see in the pics. The first one looks like it has some minor oil burn on it... definatly has some pre-ignition/detonation specks on it.

The second one has a few pre-ignition/detonation specks.

The plugs heat range is a little too hot for what your doing.... the color change on the ground strap should be in the center of the bend and yours is towards the plug case/body of the bend.... you can also see the "heat" on the threads of the plug case/body go up 4-5 threads and it should only go up 3 threads.

You could have too much overall timing in the engine or just too agressive timing map in the computer which could be contributing to what the plugs are showing.

Could be a combination of timing curve and oil in the combustion leading to what I see.

I can't tell you anything about the AF mixture because you can't see the correct part of the plug in your pics and I can see it's been idled around by the black ring on the plug case/body... idling an engine after a WOT pull kills any read you can get (in the context of AF ratio).

First thing I'd do is remove any PVC system going to the intake system and vent it to the atmosphere or better yet a catch can where you can monitor how much blow by your getting.

Second thing is I'd drop the plug heat range by 1.

Take it out and dog it a bit. Pull the plugs and see if your still getting those black specks on them.... if you are then take some timing out.
Will
Posted on: 2013/7/9 12:58
_________________
1984 Corvette. 434 SBC with a Powerglide.
Best pass - 8.48@160MPH 1.23 60ft on MT 275/60R15 Radials.

1972 Corvette. LS5 454 BBC with M20 4 speed.
Best Pass - Doing good to just pass a gas station.
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
Ok guys. Thank you for advice.
I'm about to change the plugs anyway, so I'll go with
one step colder heat range.
I'll also remove the PCV and see what will happen.
Posted on: 2013/7/10 6:28
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
Hi guys.
Just to make an update. You were right. Color of the plugs has nothing to do with the problem. However, the problem was coolant getting into cylinders #3 and #5.
The reason is blown head gasket. But the reason for blown head gasket was this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h5vb88ck4t1lomj/DSC_0244.jpg
Posted on: 2013/10/31 16:42
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

pianoguy Re: Greenish spark plugs
Guru Emeritus
Apple Valley, MN
14762 Posts
Member since:
2007/12/29 0:00



Offline
Arghhhh - bummer!!
Posted on: 2013/10/31 16:55
_________________
1996 LT4

�Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.�- Jack Handey
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

Matatk Re: Greenish spark plugs
Webmaster
SW Chicago Burbs
22807 Posts
Member since:
2008/1/7 0:00



Offline
Wow that sucks!
Posted on: 2013/10/31 23:48
_________________
2002 EBM convertible, Magnusson supercharger, cam, headers, etc.
1989 Corvette...RIP
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
Actually, I'm glad that I've found this. I don't know if you remember, but I have built a new engine about 4 years ago. The reason for a new engine was that one valve broke in the old engine and made some serious damage to one of the heads and to cylinder block. So I've found a good used block and one used head. And ever since I have built this new engine, if I pushed it really hard for a longer period of time, sometimes a problem like I described in the first post would happen.
I belive that this head was cracked from the begining but the crack was probably smaller and it didn't make problems all of the time.
Posted on: 2013/11/1 12:13
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

BrianCunningham Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Boston, MA for the most part :)
7763 Posts
Member since:
2007/12/30 0:00



Offline
sorry to see

going to fix the head or go for new ones?
Posted on: 2013/11/1 16:00
_________________
Polo Green 95 LT1 6-spd http://mysite.verizon.net/vzevcp74/
383 LT1/Vortech Supercharger/AFR heads/Rod end suspension/Penske-Hardbar dual rate coilovers/Wilwood 6pot brakes
NCCC Governor: http://BayStateCorvetteClub.com
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

sliding Re: Greenish spark plugs
Senior Guru
Zagreb, Croatia
326 Posts
Member since:
2005/11/25 0:00



Offline
I will fix this one. I do plan to get new heads for a 383 that I'm slowly building but I think that I'll go with AFR 210's and those would probably be too much on current 350.
Posted on: 2013/11/1 16:29
_________________
'90 L98 auto with a lot of mods
Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

bogus Re: Greenish spark plugs
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah
San Pedro, CA
20859 Posts
Member since:
2005/9/7 0:00



Offline
yea, 210s would be too much for a 350, unless you build it to rev to 9k RPM that is.

Posted on: 2013/11/1 17:05
_________________
The single biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place. - George Bernard Shaw

Education is the best tool to overcome irrational fear. - me

Transfer the post to other applications Transfer

You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]


CorvetteForum.guru is independently owned and operated. This site is not associated with or financially supported by General Motors.

Copyright 2008-2015 CorvetteForum.guru

CorvetteForum.guru is a Guru Garage Site (Coming Soon!)

If you have any questions about our site, please contact us at Andy@corvetteforum.guru.

Powered by XOOPS 2.56 Copyright 2001-2014 www.xoops.org

Hosted by GoDaddy.com.