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| CentralCoaster | Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I was thinking of just getting ceramic for the 99% of the time I'm driving on the street. I can save the noisy, rotor eating, dusty, fast wearing, expensive track pads for the track.
The ceramics are only about $10 more per pair for what I'm looking at. Probably EBC red. How bad can it be really... I'm never doing threshold braking on the street, so its not as if it's going to make the car any more unfamiliar when I hit the track. Will swapping pad materials cause issues with bedding in pads? With the wheels off, I only have to remove one bolt per caliper to change pads. |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I put ceramics on my Silverado.
They suck big time, can't wait for them to wear out. Never again. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Why exactly, low friction / high pedal effort? Maybe I'll just get some regular organic compounds.
Now my tacoma takes pretty heavy braking effort, maybe undersized booster, so I could see it being a problem there, but maybe not the vette. |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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They have less braking force per pedal effort that the old, worn out pads I took off. Actually had to dial in more trailer brakes when towing the race trailer.
I drove a C5 on the track with ceramics, they were pretty feeble. |
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| j3studio | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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We like them on our 2012 ... ... quiet, better than stock response and stopping power, almost no brake dust. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Well I'd never take them on the track. Unless I needed something to eat a sandwich on.
I'll give it a shot, no sense chewing up my good rotors on the street. |
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| WW7 | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I'm running ceramics on my 89..The only difference I see is on a cold day it takes a few minites of driving before they reach full stopping power...I've had mine on for 30,000 miles and have no complaints...WW
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I run the same pads on the street and the track. And the current pads have been on for 5 years. |
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Posted on: 2015/5/2 14:02
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| CorvetteBob | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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What kind of pads are those Bill? |
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| hcbph | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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They were on my 86 when I bought it in 2013, plus had drilled and slotted rotors on it. When cold, it takes much more effort to stop, works much better as they warm up.
They do work but are not what I would call my first choice for street use. I have plenty of pad left currently, but I did buy a set of organic pads and put them on the shelf for the day these need replacing. |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Hawk HPS (High Performance Street) But note, I've always been easy on my brakes. I'd get 45-50,000 on a set of pads on my 3/4 Chev Van. And I use way less brakes on the track than most guys. This observation comes from 18 years of instructing (probably have been in about 75 Corvettes) and working with pro drivers/instructors. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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But but but... less braking equals higher lap times right? I get that some people drag the brake, I don't think I do, but when I get on them I try and use every bit of them. Last time at the track the rear carpet came unglued and flopped forward, lol.
I figure HPS for more of an street/auto-x pad, but it all depends on the rotor size vs car weight I suppose. I'm gonna order EBC Red ceramic, they claim higher friction over oem. BTW, check this out, this is the first I've seen Hawk publish actual data. I have the blue right now, note the horrible low temp friction. That DTC 30 looks like a better choice though, but I think I balked at the price. Obviously if you change friction coefficient on one end, you are changing the bias, so keep that in mind. You can get higher temp, higher friction, or both, depending on your needs. Also note they don't show their ceramics on there. Interesting.  |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Good info on switching back and forth between pad compounds:
http://stoptech.com/technical-support ... and-procedures/bed-in-faq Cliff notes, you want to remove the previous pad residue from the rotor, or else the two differing compounds will adhere and smear unevenly, giving you vibrations. Easiest way to remove the street compound is commute with your race pads for a few days prior, but don't try to heat them up or bed them. Just drive normally, and allow the low temp abrasive action to remove the previous compound. Keep in mind your race pads may not do as well cold on the street. Then after a few days bed them in, or do it at the track on the first few laps. When going back from race to street pads, just swap em. Drive normally and don't get them really hot or bed them. The abrasive action will eventually remove the race compound. It will take longer as the street pads are not as abrasive. Or... just keep a 2nd set of rotors to match your track pads. |
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| rklessdriver | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I put Raybestos ceramics on the wifes Jeep Grand Cherokee.
They stop ok and dust very little but they are noisy when cold... sound like metal to metal. No idea why but it's not very confidence inspiring Back a few yrs ago I tried GM Dura Stops on the 92 and it was a fricken disaster first time I hit the track. They were ok for every day driving. Will |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Geeze, I missed both your posts somehow. Yea, ah, faster lap times. I run the HPS cause I don't have to change them. I wouldn't run them if I was serious about running the '92. But I can still pass the C5's & 6's.  You're absolutely right about the blue's. I run both the Hawk Black and the Blue on the Formula Ford. The Blacks come in quicker but don't have quite the grip. If you change to Blues, you have to move your brake points to get them warmed up, i.e. if you were braking just past the 2 marker, you have to hit the blues between the 3 and 2. Or on after a long straight, drag them slightly with left foot braking. The StopTech stuff is about the best I've seen. I keep 2 logbooks on each car, one for track maps, setup and lap times. One logbook for mechanical. the StopTech stuff is copied and in that manual. Unless you buy a racecar with a proven brake setup, you have to go thru the things you've been doing for the last couple years. You have to find the setup that works for your car and (more important), your driving style - takes a lot of time. |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Probably cause no one running ceramics is interested in the performance of their brakes. IIRC, they don't show HPS either (I could be wrong). |
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Posted on: 2015/5/24 14:27
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I chose blue in back because I wanted as much rear brake as I could get.
I think I locked the rear brake first before spinning on Saturday, but that was off camber plus engine braking and trailbraking when I shouldn't have. It's awfully close to balanced with the available tire grip. Usually the front locks up first. I don't think that much rear bias is a good setup on the street, but with equal ceramic compounds it will go back to front first, which is good for a panic stop. No abs here. |
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| BillH | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Yea, you always should have the fronts lock first. I "bench set" the dual m/c cars with front bias before they leave the shop. Rear bias is makes the car very hard to control under braking. |
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| Josh | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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I ran Akebono ceramic pads on the front/rear of mine and liked them. I never did any HPDE or anything with my car, but it saw a fair number of mid 120 to zero stops.
I didn't ever push the brakes on the car very hard, I can't ever remember slamming on them in a panic type scenario, so I don't have input on how they stopped compared to anything else. The thing I liked the most about them was little to no dust on the wheels. That was something I had to deal with a lot with the other pads because I drag raced the car so much. 100+ to zero half a dozen times and the front wheels were a different color than the rears until I switched to the Akebono pads. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Who's running ceramic pads? | ||
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Bill the fronts do lock first in normal conditions, but I think I'm pushing the limit a little, so there are times when the rear can still lock up first in the right road conditions. Factory bias is way too conservative, all front, I guess their attorneys are afraid to use the rear brakes.
I've had the ebc ceramics in for a few weeks now, feels like stepping on cotton, no not from air in the system, just not grabby. Not exactly confidence inspiring, but so what, with the aftermarket brakes and bias it should be plenty of braking torque on the street. I haven't done any emergency stops yet because I want them to grind the rotors clean first for 500 miles or so. They have an abrasive break in coating to hopefully remove the other pad deposits, so I think that is what the dust is from so far, should go away. And so quiet! Now I can listen to the car rattle even more. |
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