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pr0zac	once again	#1
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	well in about an hour or so my current motor will be dangling from the trusty engine crane. i have been working on it here and there today and its just about out. this has been the quickest its taken me to get this far. can't wait!!!!!!
	Posted on: 2008/10/25 23:04

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biggrizzly	Re: once again	#2
2011 Memorial Day Car Show Winner! Chesapeake Beach, Maryland 4543 Posts Member since: 2006/4/23 0:00	Cool! We need pics! You know how visually stimulated we are!
	Posted on: 2008/10/25 23:10
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jsup	Re: once again	#3
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	make sure you don't leave any power on the table or above the curve....
	Posted on: 2008/10/25 23:40
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	Re: once again	#4
Guest_	what motor are you installing?
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 11:23

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#5
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	well i didn't get much done last night. but the current setup was a 355 lt4 with forged speed pro pistons, eagle rods, comp 280xfi, 1.6 pro mags, shorty headers, 52mm tb and a single fogger 150 shot. stepping up to a 12.3:1 385 with ported heads and a custom cam with EM long tubes and a dual fogger.
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 14:16
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#6
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	and after doing everthing i could to not work on it i finally got it out..
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 17:28
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BrianCunningham	Re: once again	#7
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	12.3:1 ???
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 18:49
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bogus	Re: once again	#8
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: 12.3:1 ??? yea, I was thinking the same thing. That motor is gonna be a sick monster.
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 19:46
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Guest_	Sounds like a good combo man. That is some good CR, but I hear the LTx's can get away with a little bit more. In saying that, I am curious why so high? comp 280xfi? I am not familar with that cam, What are the specs? I became more of a C5 guy after building the 402, but I want to get back into learning about the C4's, and what's new out there....
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 20:41

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#10
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	280xfi = 230/236 .576/.571 on a 113
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 20:50
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#11
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: 12.3:1 ??? yeah i figured what the heck. go big or go home.
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 20:51

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BrianCunningham	Re: once again	#12
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	So long as you have gas to run it on.
	Posted on: 2008/10/26 22:19
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#13
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	it will be on pump gas.
	Posted on: 2008/10/27 0:24
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Deakins	Re: once again	#14
Guru Newb 8 Posts Member since: 2008/10/23 0:13	I'd give it some more duration @ 50 though... That would bring the meat of your power in a little later and help it digest the pump gas. Also with 113 lobe separation you are looking more for top end hp anyway.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 21:32

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#15
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	that was the 355's cam.. have a shinny new custom one that will round out the setup. it has a 107lsa
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:18
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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#16
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	I assume with a 107 lsa you arent going EFI? Rest of cam specs?
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:22
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#17
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	yes it will be EFI. carbs suck. i don't know if i am able to post specs. some companies like to keep their secrets.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:38
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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#18
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	lol O.K.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:42
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#19
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	i am not hiding them to be a dick. i have never seen the company's cam numbers posted on an open forum.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:47
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BrianCunningham	Re: once again	#20
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	http://www.streetlethal.net/camdata/
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 22:57
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#21
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: http://www.streetlethal.net/camdata/ thats great but that isn't who i got my cam from and they don't post numbers that i have seen.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 23:03

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#22
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	972-617-5671 call this number and ask for specs. my cam isn't listed on their site.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 23:05
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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#23
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	Lloyd Elliot cam, they have been posted around CF before, never written them down though.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 23:23
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	Re: once again	#24
Guest_	I have seen LE cams on mostly camaro sites. His cams are no secret. His cams are based on huge ports hence the lower lsa. My friend dealt with him years ago. He took so much meat out of the casting, he had to go with a big stall. When asked what size? The answer he received was "about 220 cc's", He wasn't impressed, and I will never deal with LE.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 23:44

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	Re: once again	#25
Guest_	In saying that I have seen some good combo's from LE, but it seems the combo's I have seen have needed quite the stall or a heavy gear. Tit for tat!! Call me out fashion, but I like power at 1800 all the way to redline.
	Posted on: 2008/10/28 23:59

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#26
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	like the power you get from your 330rwhp C4? sorry couldn't resist. apparently there is only one way to skin a cat, if you own a corvette you have to wax it everyday and never drive it and the internets sole reason is to justify your purchase and everyone else's setup that is different from yours is crap and just cause "your friend" had something that he didn't like nobody else on the planet will be happy regardless if its the same setup or not.. anything i forgot cause i am just a kid and all and i don't know these grown up things?
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 19:32
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Deakins	Re: once again	#27
Guru Newb 8 Posts Member since: 2008/10/23 0:13	Hmm, a modified engine liking a lot of converter and gear? Who would have thought... That sounds a lot like ALL of the drag cars I have ever been around. You do know that a hard core drag set up will leave the line at nothing less than 6000RPM? Must just be those guys like to change parts out all the time...or that's part of being faster, who knows. Oh and there are many good reasons to use a smaller amount of lobe separation and it doesn't stem from the port cc's; for a lot of applications that's what we install.
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 21:34

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#28
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	the tigher lobe separation is for torque i believe.
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 21:53
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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#29
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	the tight lobe center is to help pick up a lazy port is what he is saying. After a certain point the bigger the runner size the slower the intake charge hence a tighter lsa. Back in the days of iron heads using a 104-108 lsa was common, it "helped" draw the air in. With whats out there today you can get away with something bigger as the port itself does more work if done correctly.
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 22:00
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VETTHRET	Re: once again	#30
Guru Newb 13 Posts Member since: 2008/10/27 13:44	Quote: pr0zac wrote: , if you own a corvette you have to wax it everyday I just wax the back of mine since that's all you Camaro guys ever see anyways
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 23:49

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VETTHRET	Re: once again	#31
Guru Newb 13 Posts Member since: 2008/10/27 13:44	Quote: Deakins wrote: Hmm, a modified engine liking a lot of converter and gear? Who would have thought... That sounds a lot like ALL of the drag cars I have ever been around. Hmm, a modified STREET car that doesn't use a lot of converter and gear? Who would have thought... That sounds a lot like ALL of the STREET cars I have ever been around Quote: You do know that a hard core drag set up will leave the line at nothing less than 6000RPM? Must just be those guys like to change parts out all the time...or that's part of being faster, who knows. You do know a hardcore STREET set up will leave the line at nothing more than 4000RPM? That's why you don't let a guy who builds race cars modify your daily driver. You'll end up with a 6000RPM stall converter, 4.56 gears and a 106LSA....LOL. You'll need to go half throttle just to drive it out of your garage!!!
	Posted on: 2008/10/29 23:59

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	Re: once again	#32
Guest_	Quote: pr0zac wrote: the tigher lobe separation is for torque i believe. In your case the tight LSA is because the heads were probably hogged out so a hardball can fit thru (usually 225cc-235cc's). A very un- efficient cylinder head infact, that has the bottom end of a Ford Focus. Oh and btw my 330rwhp/410 rwtq was back in 1996, but you allready knew that youngster. I see you are the one that likes stirring the pot.
	Posted on: 2008/10/30 0:42

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#33
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: VETTHRET wrote: Quote: pr0zac wrote: , if you own a corvette you have to wax it everyday I just wax the back of mine since that's all you Camaro guys ever see anyways all you camaro guys? last i checked i owned a 96 lt4 corvette? wait, let me look out in the driveway, yeah still own one. its too bad you don't follow the herd and wax the whole car or else you cannot own associate with other corvette owners. let this be your last warning.
	Posted on: 2008/10/30 0:44

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VETTHRET	Re: once again	#34
Guru Newb 13 Posts Member since: 2008/10/27 13:44	My bad, I put in "you" instead of "the" ......but thanks for the warning.
	Posted on: 2008/10/30 20:45

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#35
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: TPI-guy wrote: Quote: pr0zac wrote: the tigher lobe separation is for torque i believe. In your case the tight LSA is because the heads were probably hogged out so a hardball can fit thru (usually 225cc-235cc's). A very un- efficient cylinder head infact, that has the bottom end of a Ford Focus. Oh and btw my 330rwhp/410 rwtq was back in 1996, but you allready knew that youngster. I see you are the one that likes stirring the pot. seeing as how i was spoken to about talking to you i am going to hold back my comments to you. i have nothing to prove to you nor do i give a rats ass what you think. i am sure dollar for dollar my car will well outperform yours so you can make up as much excuses as you want that is the bottom line. go troll somewhere else.
	Posted on: 2008/10/30 21:03

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pr0zac	Re: once again	#36
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: VETTHRET wrote: My bad, I put in "you" instead of "the" ......but thanks for the warning. no worries!
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	Re: once again	#37
Guest_	Quote: pr0zac wrote: Quote: TPI-guy wrote: Quote: pr0zac wrote: the tigher lobe separation is for torque i believe. In your case the tight LSA is because the heads were probably hogged out so a hardball can fit thru (usually 225cc-235cc's). A very un- efficient cylinder head infact, that has the bottom end of a Ford Focus. Oh and btw my 330rwhp/410 rwtq was back in 1996, but you allready knew that youngster. I see you are the one that likes stirring the pot. seeing as how i was spoken to about talking to you i am going to hold back my comments to you. i have nothing to prove to you nor do i give a rats ass what you think. i am sure dollar for dollar my car will well outperform yours so you can make up as much excuses as you want that is the bottom line. go troll somewhere else. What car of mine are you going to out perform?
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jsup	Re: once again	#38
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: TPI-guy wrote: Quote: pr0zac wrote: the tigher lobe separation is for torque i believe. In your case the tight LSA is because the heads were probably hogged out so a hardball can fit thru (usually 225cc-235cc's). A very un- efficient cylinder head infact, that has the bottom end of a Ford Focus. Oh and btw my 330rwhp/410 rwtq was back in 1996, but you allready knew that youngster. I see you are the one that likes stirring the pot. that is not the definition of an efficient cyl head. Please refrain from posting mis information as fact. Thank you Ricky.
	Posted on: 2008/10/30 23:40
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CentralCoaster	Re: once again	#39
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Stay on topic.
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jsup	Re: once again	#40
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: VETTHRET wrote: That's why you don't let a guy who builds race cars modify your daily driver. Let me apologize in advance, I just found this really really ironic....funny funny stuff... http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2167527
	Posted on: 2008/11/4 15:38
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Deakins	Re: once again	#41
Guru Newb 8 Posts Member since: 2008/10/23 0:13	Yeah I spit my beverage all over the screen when I read about this "engine expert" and his not knowing anything about the bottom end of HIS engine... Ironic indeed!
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 14:59

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CentralCoaster	Re: once again	#42
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Stay on topic.
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bogus	Re: once again	#43
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Good morning guys, This is turning into a pissing contest. Put the testosterone on ice, ok?
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 15:39
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#44
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	anyone know that motor mounts for these cars aren't easy to come by... and i wish i had known, i just took a piss before logging on..
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 18:32
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Lichen	Re: once again	#45
Guru Scottsdale, Arizona 166 Posts Member since: 2007/11/28 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: Good morning guys, This is turning into a pissing contest. Put the testosterone on ice, ok? Worse than that. It's turning into CF.
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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#46
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	As long as the chit stirrers are tolerated it wil continue.
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 19:53
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pr0zac	Re: once again	#47
Elite Guru Pittsburgh 1045 Posts Member since: 2008/10/20 23:28	Quote: cuisinartvette wrote: As long as the chit stirrers are tolerated it wil continue. pot calling the kettle black huh?
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 19:55

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cuisinartvette	Re: once again	#48
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	Wisecracks are one thing, bashing someone for the sake of it is another thing.
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 20:26
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jsup	Re: once again	#49
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: cuisinartvette wrote: the tight lobe center is to help pick up a lazy port is what he is saying. After a certain point the bigger the runner size the slower the intake charge hence a tighter lsa. Back in the days of iron heads using a 104-108 lsa was common, it "helped" draw the air in. With whats out there today you can get away with something bigger as the port itself does more work if done correctly. Actually, from what I have been able to find, there are real race cars running very expensive heads, I'm talking $5-10K heads that like 107,108 LSA. Today. From what I understand, it is done to keep making power from 3500 and up. With such high quality, expensive parts, and the goal being to win races, I can't see how that can be attributed to a "sub standard" or "lazy" port. It's a matter of what the operational environment the motor is designed for and what the driver wants. I can seen in a 1/4 mile/street situation that you would want power at 3000, 3500 since the motor spends more time OVER 3500 than below it in that example. So it would appear to me that there is nothing wrong per se with a 107, 108 if your goal is to go really fast...either on the track, or in the 1/4 mile. If your goal is to have that infamous "seat of pants" in which case I'd say buy an L98, after all it pulls better seat of pants than an LT1/4. Pr0zac's goal is simply to go faster than anyone else in the 1/4 mile, and given that he will spend more time at 3500 than at 2000, it makes perfect sense to go with that separation, and by no means is a reflection on "lazy ports"...or sub standard heads, despite what some marketing group somewhere may say. That's what I have found out in my research...
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 20:29
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jsup	Re: once again	#50
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: cuisinartvette wrote: Wisecracks are one thing, bashing someone for the sake of it is another thing. I agree. It's a shame Vettethreat and TPI guy can't control themselves.
	Posted on: 2008/11/5 20:31
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