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jsup Catalytics HURT emissions?
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Someone I know and who is pretty smart on POLITICAL issues made the following comment:

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do you want to reduce the CO2 emissions from your car?
then remove the cats. the pre cat CO2 reading are typically around 2~3 points lower than the post cat CO2 reading are.


I know Andy is up on converters. I don't think the statement holds water. Anyone?
Posted on: 2008/12/27 16:48
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Josh Re: Catalytics HURT emissions?
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CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) isn't environmentally harmful, so reducing Co2 by removing the converter doesn't help or hurt the environment; assuming it's something the engine even produces.

Carbon monoxide (CO) is the main pollutant, the pollutant which a catalytic converter is designed to reduce.

Assuming your acquaintance really meant CO instead of CO2 (not knowing the difference and using the terms interchangeably causes some pretty serious detriment to his arguement - or to a lesser degree interchanging the terms accidentally causes me to doubt his knowledge base) he is wrong on several levels.

In short

The idea of a cat adding anything to the exhaust (adding Co2 as he states) is not correct. A converter can not add anything to the exhaust.
Posted on: 2008/12/27 16:59
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The idea of a cat adding anything to the exhaust (adding Co2 as he states) is not correct. A converter can not add anything to the exhaust.


The converter converts CO to CO2, so it really does increase the amount of C02.
Posted on: 2008/12/27 17:12
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You say tomatoe, I say tomato.

From a purely semantics based stand point, the acquaintace of the original poster is correct. CO2 will be higher after the cat than before. However, his intentioned argument is that emissions will be better (less harmful to the universe) with no converter.
Posted on: 2008/12/27 17:16
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CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) isn't environmentally harmful, ...


Yeah, that's true alright, and it's an incomplete statement.

Let's make it a positive statement:

"CO2 is NECESSARY for plant life."
Posted on: 2008/12/27 17:24
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Creating CO2 via catalytic converter is not necessary for plant life.
Posted on: 2008/12/27 17:46
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Make a deal... I won't tell the plants where the CO2 came from if you don't?

EDIT:
Some people talk to plants. All bets are off.
Posted on: 2008/12/27 18:10
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This is getting messy.

Cats do create CO2. It's a byproduct of burning a fossil fuel.

By using the fuels, results in the release of said carbons.

However, CO2 is harmful, by increasing greenhouse gases. The downside is that the other toxins stopped by cats far outweighs anything the cats may produce.

I would much rather have a little C02 vs a lot of everything else. Uncontrolled emissions are cancer causing... CO2 is not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter

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Three-way catalytic converters

A three-way catalytic converter has three simultaneous tasks:

1. Reduction of nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen: 2NOx → xO2 + N2
2. Oxidation of carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide: 2CO + O2 → 2CO2
3. Oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons (HC) to carbon dioxide and water: CxH2x+2 + 2xO2 → xCO2 + 2xH2O

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A two-way catalytic converter has two simultaneous tasks:

1. Oxidation of carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide: 2CO + O2 → 2CO2
2. Oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons (unburnt and partially-burnt fuel) to carbon dioxide and water: CxH4x + 2xO2 → xCO2 + 2xH2O
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THIS is probably what he was thinking of:
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Environmental impact

Catalytic converters have proven to be reliable devices and have been successful in reducing noxious tailpipe emissions. However, they may have some adverse environmental impacts in use:

* The requirement for a rich burn engine to run at the stoichiometric point means it uses more fuel than a "lean burn" engine running at a mixture of 20:1 or less. This increases the amount of fossil fuel consumed and the carbon dioxide emissions of the vehicle. However, NOx control on lean burn engines is problematic at best, and many lean burn engine manufacturers are considering rich burn variations.[citation needed]
* The manufacturing of catalytic converters requires palladium and/or platinum; a portion of the world supply of these precious metals is produced near the Russian city of Norilsk, with significant negative environmental effects.[5]
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Were the Cats CNC ported ? Very messy polluting cats if they weren't !! :toothy5: J/K...

I have no idea on the answer, but it sounds like a few above do !
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Well this thread does remind me of the day I caught Ron's cats having sex on my exhaust

Hopefully this won't be the result.
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