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383tpimachine	Anyone have a Hardbar?	#1
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Just bought one and am having a problem. I did not receive the spacers as it was bought used. When I start the bolt in one side I can NOT get the other side to fit. Im to believe the bar is to wide. Does anyone have the length tip to tip on the top and bottom? the angles are right just seems .25-.35" to long.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 1:44

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Durango_Boy	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#2
Elite Guru Columbia, MO 2583 Posts Member since: 2009/1/30 21:54	Hardbar? What does it do and where does it go?
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#3
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: Durango_Boy wrote: Hardbar? What does it do and where does it go? Harness bar from forum member Gary Hoffman.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 2:18
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#4
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: Just bought one and am having a problem. I did not receive the spacers as it was bought used. Call Gary, he's a good guy & Corvette racer. His phone # will be at www.hardbarusa.com
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#5
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	I planned on making the call tomorrow. Just wanted to know if any of you have run into a similar issue. Its a 2 inch thick light weight bar that attaches to the stock seatbelt holes and can retain stock seatbelts and run race harnesses as well. It is also known to stiffen the chassis. Supposedly very noticeable improvement when top is off.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 4:45
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Jeffvette	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#6
Elite Guru Not on CF 1297 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Did you order the correct year bar?
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Durango_Boy	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#7
Elite Guru Columbia, MO 2583 Posts Member since: 2009/1/30 21:54	Quote: BillH wrote: Quote: Durango_Boy wrote: Hardbar? What does it do and where does it go? Harness bar from forum member Gary Hoffman. Okay good, because my first instinct was to reply with a dirty and inappropriate comment.
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#8
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: Durango_Boy wrote: Quote: BillH wrote: Quote: Durango_Boy wrote: Hardbar? What does it do and where does it go? Harness bar from forum member Gary Hoffman. Okay good, because my first instinct was to reply with a dirty and inappropriate comment.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 14:22
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#9
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: I planned on making the call tomorrow. Just wanted to know if any of you have run into a similar issue. Its a 2 inch thick light weight bar that attaches to the stock seatbelt holes and can retain stock seatbelts and run race harnesses as well. It is also known to stiffen the chassis. Supposedly very noticeable improvement when top is off. I don't recall, do you have stock seats? Using a harness with them is not good.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 14:23
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#10
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Stock seats for now but the harness I have will work fine. When I get my sport seat I will put in my 5 pt camlock. The one Ill use until then is much like a 4 pt airplane seat belt. The kind used mostly for offroad trucks. Its comfortable and easy to use. but I will also retain my stock belts to not piss of cops
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#11
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	As for ordering the right bar is why I asked for the dimensions. I bought it used for a steal and was TOLD it was a c4 bar.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 14:32
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#12
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: Stock seats for now but the harness I have will work fine. When I get my sport seat I will put in my 5 pt camlock. The one Ill use until then is much like a 4 pt airplane seat belt. The kind used mostly for offroad trucks. Its comfortable and easy to use. but I will also retain my stock belts to not piss of cops Sport seats? Corvette sport seats? Not to belittle what you're doing but, those seats are too wide for a harness. The shoulderbelts will be too far apart. It's possible that in a front collision for the shoulder harness to move even wider and you'll slip thru it. There are modifications to the Corvette seats that will eliminate this if you're interested.
	Posted on: 2010/3/22 15:00
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Jeffvette	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#13
Elite Guru Not on CF 1297 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: As for ordering the right bar is why I asked for the dimensions. I bought it used for a steal and was TOLD it was a c4 bar. There was an interior dimension change in 90. So you may have the wrong bar for your car.
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#14
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Quote: Jeffvette wrote: Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: As for ordering the right bar is why I asked for the dimensions. I bought it used for a steal and was TOLD it was a c4 bar. There was an interior dimension change in 90. So you may have the wrong bar for your car. thats what gary said. Looks like Ill be cutting up my nice harness bar to shorten it haha and as for the seats they are next on my to buy list. Im thinking some recaro type since I fell in love with them but that will likely be decided on a spur of the moment thing as most things are with my car. ahh the joy of being 19 and bill free
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 1:58

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SpectatorRacing	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#15
Elite Guru 1721 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: ahh the joy of being 19 and bill free Seriously, though, pay attention to the seats. It's awesome that you're getting into the sport at a young age, but to make sure you're still around when you're Bill's age ( ) you should do the safety equipment correctly. Get some sport seats with the slots for the harnesses, don't wrap them around the back or bring the crotch strap up over the front.
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 14:14
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#16
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Quote: SpectatorRacing wrote: Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: ahh the joy of being 19 and bill free Seriously, though, pay attention to the seats. It's awesome that you're getting into the sport at a young age, but to make sure you're still around when you're Bill's age ( ) you should do the safety equipment correctly. Get some sport seats with the slots for the harnesses, don't wrap them around the back or bring the crotch strap up over the front. haha yessir. I planned on a seat made for a 5 pt helmet is next which is what im checking out today. Snell are nice and expensive. Depending on how much I have after rims and tires will determine when I get my seat
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#17
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: SpectatorRacing wrote: It's awesome that you're getting into the sport at a young age, but to make sure you're still around when you're Bill's age ( ) . Getting in young is good, at 19, I was racing 500 mile desert races on 2 wheels and had 7 years under my belt crewing in a bunch of different racing venues. I remember only a couple of years ago explaining to a guy that was building a C4 racecar why to put in a fire system vs an extinguisher. What is should really say: It's awesome that you're getting into the sport at a young age, but to make sure you're still as fast as Bill when you're Bill's age . G forces in the corners keep ya young though. Attach file: 11-24-2006 09;55;23AM.jpg (0.00 KB)
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 14:52
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#18
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	BTW, a (pre-Sparco purchase) fix if you don't mind putting holes in your stock seats: Attach file: grommets.jpg (0.00 KB)
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 14:55
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SpectatorRacing	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#19
Elite Guru 1721 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: haha yessir. I planned on a seat made for a 5 pt helmet is next which is what im checking out today. Snell are nice and expensive. Depending on how much I have after rims and tires will determine when I get my seat I know you know this already, but I'd spend the money on the harness and seat first... Just saying. When I got started safety stuff was the last thing I bought; safety doesn't necessarily make you go faster. But in the last ten years I've totalled 2 cars, flipped one and flew 50 yards UPSIDE-DOWN before landing, been on fire at 125 mph, and put the 'vette into a wall multiple times with multiple degrees of damage. And due to the proper safety equipment I'm here to tell you about it, with nothing but a few bruises. I got hurt more playing hockey than I ever did racing... Take a look at this thread from last summer: http://www.corvette-guru.com/modules/ ... hp?topic_id=9089&forum=55 I was there when that happened, the guy walked away with no serious injuries. This ain't no joke!
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 15:09
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#20
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Im looking at seats instead of paying attention in my microbiology class. Im going to make another thread about seats (yes i know there is one already). I am looking at a few seats that I think would serve my purpose well.
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 15:13
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#21
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: helmet is next which is what im checking out today. Snell are nice and expensive. Any places close to you where you can try on the helmits? That's the most important thing. How much $$$ are you planning for the helmit?
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 15:23
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#22
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Im hitting up a bike shot that carries a few snell helmets to see if I like any and if not just get a size that is comfortable. I figure 250-300 for a helmet
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#23
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: Im hitting up a bike shot that carries a few snell helmets to see if I like any and if not just get a size that is comfortable. I figure 250-300 for a helmet You can get a very nice helmit for that, Simpson, Bell,etc. and the Snell 2005's easily in that range. Most HPDEs will allow DOT helmits. If you plan on any street bike riding, you'll need a DOT. The only difference is the lining, Snell is nomex and the approvals (stupid government BS). If you find something you like, you can save $50-$75 by buying on line. You can also get a decent helmit from guys like G-Force for $150 . I really don't have any experience with the G-Force helmits but their other products like harnesses are very good for the $$$. I use Bell helmits exclusively but that's just what I like.
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 15:55
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#24
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	Well went to a cycle shop and I wear medium and its perfect fit. Found an HCI that I like for 167 there so ill search online for it here in a bit. My SCCA requires snell rated and the HCI is sneel 2010 so ill have to check if they accept the 2010
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 16:45
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BillH	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#25
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	Quote: 383tpimachine wrote: Well went to a cycle shop and I wear medium and its perfect fit. Found an HCI that I like for 167 there so ill search online for it here in a bit. My SCCA requires snell rated and the HCI is sneel 2010 so ill have to check if they accept the 2010 Good deal. Oh yea, 2010 is accepted in SCCA, I'm a licensed SCCA tech inspector. 2010 actually will be a requirement soon, if not already (I haven't got my new GCR yet).
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#26
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	HJC CL-16 Carnage this is the one im very likely to get. found it for 120 on ebay whoop http://motodirect.com/product/1_3-Ful ... ved-Full-Face-Helmet.html
	Posted on: 2010/3/23 17:16
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Matatk	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#27
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22807 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	#1 - wouldn't it be easier/more effective to sell that bar and buy the right one rather than cutting it up? #2 - I have an HJC that I wore on my motorcycle very similar to that one. I found it very comfortable. I still use it for atv-ing. Matthew
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#28
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	The bar was having a problem selling in the first place so selling it would be difficult. Plus I got it alot less than a new one retails. I can weld pretty well and it shouldnt be a problem. Plus its a challenge. that is unless someone on here needs a hardbar for a good price
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Matatk	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#29
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22807 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	You never said which years the bar you bought was for vs what year you have
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BrianCunningham	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#30
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	mine installed
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383tpimachine	Re: Anyone have a Hardbar?	#31
Master Guru Corpus Christi 976 Posts Member since: 2009/7/25 19:07	mine is the shorter of the 2. the bar is the longer. so late90-96 bar is what I have stupid 1985 interior
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