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bogus Re: One Dead ECM
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They have earned their position... I just wish they would acknowledge the improvements at times.

You coming out this way any time soon?
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UPDATE:

I am so damned pissed right now. It has all the appearances of an unrepaired ECM.

I am getting the same damned codes... same damned results.

Tomorrow, I am going to have to take apart the dash to get at the damned CCM and confirm the harness.

The receipt from SIA indicates only a "reflowed unit." It makes me wonder if they actually a) read my letter and b) tested the damned unit.

As you can tell, I am not happy right now... for some reason, I knew this was going to happen.
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UPDATE:

I am so damned pissed right now. It has all the appearances of an unrepaired ECM.

I am getting the same damned codes... same damned results.

Tomorrow, I am going to have to take apart the dash to get at the damned CCM and confirm the harness.

The receipt from SIA indicates only a "reflowed unit." It makes me wonder if they actually a) read my letter and b) tested the damned unit.

As you can tell, I am not happy right now... for some reason, I knew this was going to happen.


It has always been my assumption that any flat-rate rebuilding service like that isn't going to have the capability to do any real testing or repair.

I figure they just look for obvious burnt shit, check for short between ground and power, and if it passes those they send it back. If it fails they pull one from a junkyard and send it instead.
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At this point, I tend to agree with you.

I will confirm the harness tomorrow morning, then ream their collective asses tomorrow afternoon.
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Damn, that's not good. Everything I've read about them was very positive, ECMs repaired and working correctly.

Hope they make it right for you.
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So do I... but at this point, I am going through the absolute hell of removing the CCM and testing the harness.

I must now do this so as to eliminate the ECM.

What a sumnabitch that is... the manual simply says, "remove this bracket, CCM slides out." BULLSHIT.

This bracket has like 8 bolts retaining it... one of which is nearly impossible to reach. After that, the dash itself blocks the path the CCM must take to remove. I was prying on shit... pulling... you name it. For what it is worth, it took me 3.5 hours to get the CCM out and to be ready to start diags.

I have confirmed that one wire to the CCM is ok. I am working on #2... then comes the ground test.

I will update.
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Ahh, the continuing saga! What a mess! I hope you get that dog figured out Andy. You had to at least be happy about the Husker game last night I hope.
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Oh, yea... watched most all of the game. That T-Magic kid is nothing short of amazing.

Getting to the CCM is about the same as doing a tonsillectomy anally.
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I just ran the harness... as expected, there is nothing wrong with it.

It's the ECM and those SOB's had better figure out how in the hell to fix it.

How they handle this will be a major factor of how I react next. ICBM is really appealing right now.
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Just checked... can you believe that Monday is a federal holiday?

If I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop on this damned problem, I think that was it.
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OK Andy my ecm is on its way it will be there on wednesday they wanted $77.00 to get it there by Monday WOW I hop wednesday is OK.
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that'll rock! Thank you! I now have a date with which to work with! yay!

I can get it smogged!

I did pay the reg fee...
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Thanks to 93moneypit, it is ALIVE!!!!!!!!!

He loaned me a spare ECM and after plugging everything back in, it started RIGHT UP!!!!!!

The idle is a bit funky, but that could be due to sitting for two weeks+. I need to reassemble tomorrow morning and that will be that! yay!
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I just won another ECM on ebay... now I have 2.

The question is if the one at SIA is ever going to work again...

It was $229 for a good working used unit.
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What was their response to the ecm not working after they "fixed" it?
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Nothing yet... I spoke with them this evening and shared my
Update... I should get updated tomorrow.
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Andy keep me updated on that idle issue in fighting that problem with mine with that ECM and the one that's in it now i don't think its the ECM but you never know.
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oh, interesting. We get to tag team on diagnostics.

The idle just seemed a little off... but as I said, it was cold and hasn't been driven in 2+ weeks... so I am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
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Glad to hear you're running again.
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The idle has settled down. I smogged it and it passed in flying colours!!!
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Good Deal! Hope you get your original one fixed right.
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Cool that means both my ECM are OK I'm going to change out my opticrap this weekend for the forth time
This time with the MSD I'm really getting tired of changing those dam things
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I just won another ECM on ebay... now I have 2.

The question is if the one at SIA is ever going to work again...

It was $229 for a good working used unit.


I've looked numerous times and never found one. Right now, the only one is a ZR1.

Who was the seller if I may ask.
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scoobyinc, the core man.

No word back from SIA. I expect the "new" one in next wednesday.
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Cool that means both my ECM are OK I'm going to change out my opticrap this weekend for the forth time
This time with the MSD I'm really getting tired of changing those dam things


Sorry about that...

I did the LTCC conversion, using a dynaspark without the cap/rotor.

I have found of recent years, the GM replacement optis are just not that good.
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Any problems with CA smog that was my worry going with the ltcc the referee is a PITA to deal with i don't want to go there.
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I have a friendly smog guy... all he cares about are the numbers... I will post them later, but trust me, it passed with flying colours.
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Ok... back with an update.

About 6 weeks ago, I sent the ECM back to SIA for additional work. It was still throwing the SYS error and codes C41 - lost serial data connection.

Since this started, 93moneypit loaned me a spare ECM he had, and with my chip (OEM), a-ok, no problems!!

I then ordered an ECM off of eBay from Scoobthecoreman. And it works PERFECTLY with my OEM chip.

I got the ECM back from SIA about a month ago, but the move has been crippling... all my tools were an absolute mess, but they are now about 90% in order. Look'n great! I was able to finally retest that re-returned and supposedly ok ECM.

According to the note they stuck to it, there were no issues, the Tech II was able to communicate with it just fine and the diagnostics found nothing wrong.

I think we are at something of an impasse. I put my chip back in and reconnected the ECM to the harness... nada... SYS flashing, no start.

My problem is simple... They will stick to there story, and I will stick to mine. I know I am right, but I wish, short of spending money at the local Chevy dealer, I could validate my position. Hell, someone with a camcorder making a movie to prove I am doing everything correctly... one shot, no pauses... just 20 min of video.

I am tempted to eat it at this point and move on... I don't foresee myself winning this and as it is, I still have a suspect ECM to use as core if they ever DO come back on the market.

Thoughts?
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I would drop a note to SIA and tell them you are unhappy that they could not solve your problem since your ECM continues to not function. Did you spend money with them? It you did I would ask for it back. Then the ball is in their court. If they say too bad, so sad, then you move on and let everyone know that SIA is not that great of a deal.

You may not win but you would have left it up to them to make it right. That's all you can do without a lot more work and frustration. It's weird that they can't find the problem.
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Andy, I have a 94 ECM, but I think they changed between 93 and 94. Is it possible to convert to the newer ECM?
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teebee - I have considered that... serously... and still might.

The problem? The harnesses were seriously updated at the same time. I would almost have to gut the car and change over the ENTIRE harness.

They did away with the aux fuse panel in the dash and added the underhood fuse panel by the battery.

If I ever did that, it would be the first step towards two... doing an LSx conversion. I would eliminate the biggest weak spot on my 92 and gain a truly programmable ECM for the the future.
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I would drop a note to SIA and tell them you are unhappy that they could not solve your problem since your ECM continues to not function. Did you spend money with them? It you did I would ask for it back. Then the ball is in their court. If they say too bad, so sad, then you move on and let everyone know that SIA is not that great of a deal.

You may not win but you would have left it up to them to make it right. That's all you can do without a lot more work and frustration. It's weird that they can't find the problem.


I am not sure what is what... I might take the ECM over to my local, Corvette friendly Chevy dealer and ask if they can connect it to their Tech II device. If we can and they can confirm or deny the problem... it would create a neutral test, eh?

Here is my problem... I have the reputation of the site to maintain. They have the reputation of their company to maintain. I don't want this to degrade into a he said, she said situation, so I need to be sure my ducks are properly ordered... If I have to pay 30 minutes of tech time at the local Chevy dealer, it would be worth it to prove something. It would like to know "something."

It makes no sense to me that it tests ok on their bench, then fails on my car. Especially when 2 other ECMs work PERFECTLY fine.
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Just a few thoughts

Having worked 35+ years in commercial and military electronics I have seen, repaired and supported a lot of electronics not to mention automotive. Sometimes it's tough to fix a system with loops, feedback and bus talk, when components seem to check good individually.

Getting the ECM checked by a dealer might, or might not tell you what you are looking for. The thought is definitely positive to yield the facts or truth. One better is to try the ECM in another corvette of same vintage. There nothing like a functional test for best verification. Sometimes simulated tests just don’t show the real story.

I have seen the external pins of a connector open up electrically to its internal connection within the box. This can happen under the weight, load, pressure or torque produced by the external connector on the connector of the box. I'm basically saying that this condition may not exist when it is placed on a test bench and the connectors are just laying there nicely. Just a possibility.

If you have an indication on the dash (SES light) or another condition where an assistant can look at while you move or wiggle connectors and harness, something might show up. Having put another ECM in your vette and getting it started having normal conditions sure does look like you had a bad ECM. I would then put the original ECM back in and check results. Finally I would try if possible the suspect ECM in another car. Having cross checked and double checked in this way then might give you a warm feeling of what you really have and then you can go back to SIA with some very confident facts.

Of course this is my approach and just suggestions. Depending on whether you can come up with another vette may limit doing these things but might just give you some new thoughts on the situation and you approach.
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I have seen the external pins of a connector open up electrically to its internal connection within the box. This can happen under the weight, load, pressure or torque produced by the external connector on the connector of the box.


Intersting, a bit off the topic but, connectors that were wired to the box/component/board? Mil-spec crimp or soldered?
Probably a bit of everything.

I worked for AMP Incorporated for 20+ years, sales engineer.
I didn't do much mil-spec but I knoe we built the harnesses for the Apache.
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Just a few thoughts

Having worked 35+ years in commercial and military electronics I have seen, repaired and supported a lot of electronics not to mention automotive. Sometimes it's tough to fix a system with loops, feedback and bus talk, when components seem to check good individually.

Getting the ECM checked by a dealer might, or might not tell you what you are looking for. The thought is definitely positive to yield the facts or truth. One better is to try the ECM in another corvette of same vintage. There nothing like a functional test for best verification. Sometimes simulated tests just don’t show the real story.

I have seen the external pins of a connector open up electrically to its internal connection within the box. This can happen under the weight, load, pressure or torque produced by the external connector on the connector of the box. I'm basically saying that this condition may not exist when it is placed on a test bench and the connectors are just laying there nicely. Just a possibility.

If you have an indication on the dash (SES light) or another condition where an assistant can look at while you move or wiggle connectors and harness, something might show up. Having put another ECM in your vette and getting it started having normal conditions sure does look like you had a bad ECM. I would then put the original ECM back in and check results. Finally I would try if possible the suspect ECM in another car. Having cross checked and double checked in this way then might give you a warm feeling of what you really have and then you can go back to SIA with some very confident facts.

Of course this is my approach and just suggestions. Depending on whether you can come up with another vette may limit doing these things but might just give you some new thoughts on the situation and you approach.


I know what you mean. I have considered that a pin might just be compressed... but that would mean TWO pins, that do the EXACT same thing, are compressed! The odds are staggering.

These cars do not bus their signals, it's all direct data, so none of that loop back crap to worry about.

The Serial Data Line has to pins, which means two UARTS, sharing a common line to two more pins and two more UARTS on the CCM. Both lines toned out perfectly - and trust me, I do NOT want to have to go back into the fucking dash to confirm his. The CCM is behind the radio and is an absolute bitch to get out. Sorry, I just don't bend that way.

The next time I do something stupid like this is if I am taking the entire dash out and am in the process of installing an all new harness, to better integrate an LSx engine controller in with.
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