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93ragtop Mill by Will
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Well as some of you know, Will (rklessdriver) has been building me a motor. It is a splayed 4 bolt LT1 block, bored .040 over. Ross Pistons, Scat forged crank and rods. 385 ci. We are using AFR 210 heads. Will ported a LT4 intake for me, We are reusing the EM headers, electric water pump etc that I had. The cam is 232-236 and .594 lift. Its one that Will picked out from Mike Jones cams. Compression is 11.25. I am going to try to upload pictures. This will be my first on this site.

Below is a picture of Will opening up the oil returns from the lifter galley to the timing chain. And a couple of his reworking the oil pump area of the motor. More pictures will follow as soon as I figure out the proper way to post.

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Posted on: 2012/8/30 22:05
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93 White Vert. 3.73 gears, Yank 3000 converter,385ci. Built by Rklessdriver!! Ross pistons, Scat Rods, and Crank, custom Mike Jones Cam, AFR 210 heads, Exotic Muscle LT headers, magnaflow mufflers Meziere water pump. My best run 11.19 ET at 124.63mph
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here are some pictures of the splayed caps. Note, I am having problems loading pictures. Will have to find out why and then I can show you more of what Will is doing.
Posted on: 2012/8/30 22:18
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Pics could be a size issue. An easy way to load pics is through photobucket.com. Upload to photobucket and transfer from there to your post. Hope this helps.
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it's amazing the improvements that can be made by improving oil flow.

I read years ago that Kyle Petty's NASCAR team (Felix Sebatis(sp) at the time) were building their engines with lower oil pressure. Instead of 100 psi at redline, more like 70.

So they fully optimised the oil paths... opened up return lines, cleaned up galleys and flow, put a pickup for return on the back of the galley... all sorts of tricks. And picked up 10 or 15hp!

Cool stuff!
Posted on: 2012/8/31 1:31
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it's amazing the improvements that can be made by improving oil flow.

I read years ago that Kyle Petty's NASCAR team (Felix Sebatis(sp) at the time) were building their engines with lower oil pressure. Instead of 100 psi at redline, more like 70.

So they fully optimised the oil paths... opened up return lines, cleaned up galleys and flow, put a pickup for return on the back of the galley... all sorts of tricks. And picked up 10 or 15hp!

Cool stuff!


You would be amazed at how little oil pressure we run in real racing engines today. Some of that stuff won't make it on a street car thou....

All the little oiling system mods that reduce flow restriction, increase return to the pan and cut down on windage, ect - I spend the time to do them on every engine I build. A few hours with the grinder, just makes for a better engine.

As for oil pressure itself, too much eats alot of hp for sure. In street cars and bracket cars I subscribe to the 10lbs per 1000RPM theory....
Will
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pictures of splayed caps
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Posted on: 2012/8/31 7:55
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93 White Vert. 3.73 gears, Yank 3000 converter,385ci. Built by Rklessdriver!! Ross pistons, Scat Rods, and Crank, custom Mike Jones Cam, AFR 210 heads, Exotic Muscle LT headers, magnaflow mufflers Meziere water pump. My best run 11.19 ET at 124.63mph
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pictures of the rotating assembly

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Scat forged crank.

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Scat I beam rods with 7/16 bolts
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Posted on: 2012/8/31 8:08
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93 White Vert. 3.73 gears, Yank 3000 converter,385ci. Built by Rklessdriver!! Ross pistons, Scat Rods, and Crank, custom Mike Jones Cam, AFR 210 heads, Exotic Muscle LT headers, magnaflow mufflers Meziere water pump. My best run 11.19 ET at 124.63mph
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TommyT-Bone wrote:

Pics could be a size issue. An easy way to load pics is through photobucket.com. Upload to photobucket and transfer from there to your post. Hope this helps.


Tommy, thanks for the advise. Computers are not my cup of tea, so its a struggle for me.
I need to get some more pictures uploaded to photobucket and then I will be adding more to this post.
Posted on: 2012/8/31 8:11
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93 White Vert. 3.73 gears, Yank 3000 converter,385ci. Built by Rklessdriver!! Ross pistons, Scat Rods, and Crank, custom Mike Jones Cam, AFR 210 heads, Exotic Muscle LT headers, magnaflow mufflers Meziere water pump. My best run 11.19 ET at 124.63mph
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the block looks sweet!!!

Will - I do the same thing for street, 10 psi per 1000 RPM. Simple and honest.
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For the AFR heads you need to machine the passage for the oil return

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For the AFR heads you need to machine the passage for the oil return

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Yes, he did it. I forgot to post it. But here it is.

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Posted on: 2012/8/31 21:39
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You would be amazed at how little oil pressure we run in real racing engines today. Some of that stuff won't make it on a street car thou....

All the little oiling system mods that reduce flow restriction, increase return to the pan and cut down on windage, ect - I spend the time to do them on every engine I build. A few hours with the grinder, just makes for a better engine.

As for oil pressure itself, too much eats alot of hp for sure. In street cars and bracket cars I subscribe to the 10lbs per 1000RPM theory....
Will


Are you running crank scrapers, Will?
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Very cool - I wish someone like Will lived in my neighborhood!
Posted on: 2012/9/1 0:00
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Very cool - I wish someone like Will lived in my neighborhood!


He would ..... If you moved ....
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On street cars and bracket cars, no teflon scrapers... The time just doesn't justify the expense and man hours....

Actually on our really high dollar stuff, no scraper either because a compartmentalized dry sump just won't have enough oil down there to need it. With a pick up in each cyl head, the lifter valley and 2 in the pan there's not much excess oil flying around a really good motor.....

Back in the early 80's I can remember my dad spending hours, fitting scrapers... not much later on we actually found that with a wet sump the best thing you can do is use as deep of an oil sump as possible to get the oil as far away from the "spinning things" as you can. If your stuck with a short oil sump best thing to do is separate the sump from the crank and rods with a good windage tray.

So these days on the wet sump stuff, I try and run the best oil pans and windage trays the customer can afford. Even with the best custom pan like the one on my personal car, I can pick up 15HP by taking the oil level down from 7qts to 5qts....

Brian-
That should be not needed on the newest AFR LTX heads... We talked with Rick at PRI like 2yrs ago about how to fix that and you can see on the newest heads that they are counter milling the bottom of the cyl heads deck surface around the oil return - So oil can flow out of that front return. It took them a while to get into production I guess.... I did grind the block on this one because I didn't have the heads when I was doing the block prep and didn't know if the heads we got would be done that way yet.
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On street cars and bracket cars, no teflon scrapers... The time just doesn't justify the expense and man hours....

Actually on our really high dollar stuff, no scraper either because a compartmentalized dry sump just won't have enough oil down there to need it. With a pick up in each cyl head, the lifter valley and 2 in the pan there's not much excess oil flying around a really good motor.....

Back in the early 80's I can remember my dad spending hours, fitting scrapers... not much later on we actually found that with a wet sump the best thing you can do is use as deep of an oil sump as possible to get the oil as far away from the "spinning things" as you can. If your stuck with a short oil sump best thing to do is separate the sump from the crank and rods with a good windage tray.

So these days on the wet sump stuff, I try and run the best oil pans and windage trays the customer can afford. Even with the best custom pan like the one on my personal car, I can pick up 15HP by taking the oil level down from 7qts to 5qts....
Will


Makes sense.

I was building my own on the Formula Ford, made a pattern that was close and adjusted it when I built one. That made it fairly fast to fab one.
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here is a picture of the head and in the corners you can see where they machined them at the factory.

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Running 11.71 @ 117 is really good on a hot cam and stock ported heads!! Who did your tune? Do you run slicks or drag radials? How do the 4.09 gears and the 3000 converter run on the street? Looks like a real nice engine build. If it were possible I'd have a motor in my living room just to look at.
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Bam - I want to get a V12 block of some sort and use it as a coffee table.
Posted on: 2012/9/3 18:58
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Running 11.71 @ 117 is really good on a hot cam and stock ported heads!! Who did your tune? Do you run slicks or drag radials? How do the 4.09 gears and the 3000 converter run on the street? Looks like a real nice engine build. If it were possible I'd have a motor in my living room just to look at.


Thank you for the compliment!!, My tune was orig. done by mailorder, through pcmforless. Latter, I had Alvin to tune it in person, but only picked up 6hp. To me, that says alot about his ability to mail order tune, especially a very common setup such as mine,.
I was running, 26x11.50x15 ET streets, bias ply on weld lightweight wheels.
I really liked the 4.09 gears. The car is a little quicker with those as compared to the 3.73 I have now. BTW the reason I went to the 3.73 was I was in a hurry to get it back together at that time, and thats what was available at the time.
The converter, I would like a little more stall, but with the new motor, im waiting to see where we are.It probably will be more stall due to the bigger motor.
In time, assuming I continue to drag race the car, I would like to get a solid rear end in it. Will and I have been discussing this as well, but again, that seems to be in the future and not anytime soon.
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