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bogus It is truly hard to believe... but...
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Five years ago today, my older brother, Roy, passed away after a nearly two year battle with brain cancer. He was 52.

CRASH - you may want to stop reading this. If you want to talk, I am more than willing.

He was diagnosed August 1, 2001. His symptoms first started to appear in May, as he started to realized what he was experiencing. His first symptoms were just not feeling mentally right. His doctors attributed it to the sometimes long term effects of anethesia. Come mid-July, he has his first episode. He was parked when, for the lack of a better term, he phased out. He lost awareness (consciousness is unknown) and all he remembered was hearing loud music. He snapped out after an unknown amount of time and drove himself to the hospital. After a 3+ hour wait, he simply left. He felt better and they were not being all that speedy about seeing him.

The next even was about 10 days later. He was this time at a Boy Scout meeting (he was a troop leader). He was talking to one of the dads (and a friend) when the second such event occured. Again, loud music and gone. This time, though, his friends took him straight to the local hospital (which is right across the street from where the scout meeting was being held). They did an MRI.

The next morning we got the result... brain tumours in the left forward part of the brain - the speach center. He was transferred to the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center for a consult and they scheduled a biopsy. That was originally set for late September, with surgury to follow.

The tumours were growing way too fast, so they brought the biopsy up to Sept 13, and then canceled the biopsy as a separate event. The tumors were too ingrained in the grey matter to remove. The death warrant had been signed.

Over the next 18 months, they did radiation and chemo with little positive effect. He acquired other problems... incontenance, Parkinson like symptoms, vision problems, depression... The tumors did relent for a while in early 2003, but then came back with a vengance by April.

He died today, in 2003. Well, today is a bit nebulious. He was alive when my sister-in-law went to bed, but 10 hours later, he was cold. In April, they stopped chemo and gave him 6 months. There is one nasty little detail that I have learned about these predictions - change their measure from whatever to one less. So if it's months, it's actually weeks. I didn't want my family to be shocked, so I warned them about this... and followed, "For his sake, he won't make it to June." The last thing I wanted was my nephew to associate Christmas with his fathers death. I pretty much nailed it... as sad as it was, his personal hell was over.

I moved here to Torrance in 2004. Sometime in late 2004, not long after returning from Hawai'i, bastet and I were talking, and I shared this with her: "I just realized what isn't right. I don't have Roy to share these events with. Whenever one of us went on a trip, we would tell the other what we did, where we went, where we ate, that sorta thing... and I don't have him to tell that too anymore."

I didn't realize how much we did talk, even after he had become sick. In many ways, he died that day when the tumors first appeared, on others, he is still alive in well. Whatever the case my ultimately be, he is better off and in no pain.

Sorry for the long post...

Rest in Peace, brother...
Posted on: 2008/5/31 16:46
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Thanks for sharing Andy.
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That took a lot to share that with us bro.

Thanks, and may you brother R.I.P.

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Posted on: 2008/5/31 18:20
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Thats sad. My grandmother passed away recently with lung cancer. Sorry about your loss.
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Andy,

have you found that someone special woth whom you can share your present day experiences with? A major thing to remember is try to allways hold on to the special memories of the times you 2 shared your stories and such. As long as you do that his time on the planet will always be your good memories. God bless brother and thanks for sharing your story.
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ANDY
AS I TOLD TOMMY IKNOW YOUR LOSS TOO WELL AS I SAID MY OLDER BROTHER TAUGHT ME THE WAYS IN LIFE
AS HE WAS BEING PREPPED FOR HIS SECOND OPEN HEART SURGURY IN 10 YEARS MY FAMILY WAS IN THE WAITING ROOM AND 1 BY 1 WE WHERE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND SEE HIM I CHOSE NOT TOO AND LET OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY GO IN AND SEE HIM I TOLD MY MOTHER TO TELL HIM HY AND I WENT TO WORK
I DID SO THINKING ALL WOULD BE OK HOW WRONG I WAS HE DIED IN RECOVERY OF CARDIAC ARREST
TO THIS DAY I FEEL GUILTY FOR NOT GOING IN AND BEING WITH HIM
I DID WHAT I DID BELIEVING ALL WOULD GO WELL AND ID BE BULLSHITTING WITH HIM THAT NITE HOW WRONG I WAS AND THE LOSS OF NOT SEEING HIM BEFORE SURGURY STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY
AS FOR MY WIFE ROSIE I WAS THERE FROM THE START AND WILL BE TILL SHES DONE AND BEATS THIS THING
SHE BEAT BREAST CANCER 2 YRS AGO AND SHE WILL BEAT THIS SHE AINT NO QUITTER IN HER WORDS I WILL BEAT THIS 1 TOO
THIS WOMAN HAS BALLS BIGGER THAN KING KONG I MY SELF AM SCARED SHITLESS THIS IS MY BEST BUDDY AND FRIEND SHE WILL KICK ITS ASS FOR SURE PLEASE YALL SAY A PRAY FOR HER
THATS ALL SHE WANTS NO TEARS JUST PRAYERS
SORRY TO BE SO LONG WINDED AND THANKS TO A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE
RICH A.K.A. CRASH
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Andy,

have you found that someone special woth whom you can share your present day experiences with? A major thing to remember is try to allways hold on to the special memories of the times you 2 shared your stories and such. As long as you do that his time on the planet will always be your good memories. God bless brother and thanks for sharing your story.


Yes. It wasn't so much as replacement, as much as it was understanding the vacuum existed. I have another brother in FL and my mom in Delaware, along with a wonderful wife (bastet44) to share these experiences with.

Thank you and you are welcome. All at the same time.
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That took a lot to share that with us bro.

Thanks, and may you brother R.I.P.

Gordon


Not as much as you think. I have always worn my heart on my sleave, as such, sharing like this comes natural to me. I feel if it creates enlightenment and understanding for others, then it's worth it.
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ANDY
AS I TOLD TOMMY IKNOW YOUR LOSS TOO WELL AS I SAID MY OLDER BROTHER TAUGHT ME THE WAYS IN LIFE
AS HE WAS BEING PREPPED FOR HIS SECOND OPEN HEART SURGURY IN 10 YEARS MY FAMILY WAS IN THE WAITING ROOM AND 1 BY 1 WE WHERE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND SEE HIM I CHOSE NOT TOO AND LET OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY GO IN AND SEE HIM I TOLD MY MOTHER TO TELL HIM HY AND I WENT TO WORK
I DID SO THINKING ALL WOULD BE OK HOW WRONG I WAS HE DIED IN RECOVERY OF CARDIAC ARREST
TO THIS DAY I FEEL GUILTY FOR NOT GOING IN AND BEING WITH HIM
I DID WHAT I DID BELIEVING ALL WOULD GO WELL AND ID BE BULLSHITTING WITH HIM THAT NITE HOW WRONG I WAS AND THE LOSS OF NOT SEEING HIM BEFORE SURGURY STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY
AS FOR MY WIFE ROSIE I WAS THERE FROM THE START AND WILL BE TILL SHES DONE AND BEATS THIS THING
SHE BEAT BREAST CANCER 2 YRS AGO AND SHE WILL BEAT THIS SHE AINT NO QUITTER IN HER WORDS I WILL BEAT THIS 1 TOO
THIS WOMAN HAS BALLS BIGGER THAN KING KONG I MY SELF AM SCARED SHITLESS THIS IS MY BEST BUDDY AND FRIEND SHE WILL KICK ITS ASS FOR SURE PLEASE YALL SAY A PRAY FOR HER
THATS ALL SHE WANTS NO TEARS JUST PRAYERS
SORRY TO BE SO LONG WINDED AND THANKS TO A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE
RICH A.K.A. CRASH


I am sorry about your brother, Rich. That is sad. I was lucky. I was able to visit Roy regularly up until he passed. I saw him last on Wednesday after work. By then, he was seriously foggy. The last remnants of him were going away...

Your wife sounds like a real trooper! God Speed for her TOTAL recovery. And if I can help, let me know.
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I'd heard you speak of this before but this is the first time I've heard of the details to this extent. I hope that talking about it has helped you on this sad anniversary. I also hope you know that all of us here who know you are always more than willing to listen at any time.
Crash, I'll be thinking of you of you and your wife too. May all go well for you both.
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It is events like this that truly let us realize how fragile life is. It also reminds us to live life to the fullest and to do for our loved ones today rather than tomorrow. My thoughts and prayers go out to you Andy and to you as well Crash
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ANDY
AS I TOLD TOMMY IKNOW YOUR LOSS TOO WELL AS I SAID MY OLDER BROTHER TAUGHT ME THE WAYS IN LIFE
AS HE WAS BEING PREPPED FOR HIS SECOND OPEN HEART SURGURY IN 10 YEARS MY FAMILY WAS IN THE WAITING ROOM AND 1 BY 1 WE WHERE ALLOWED TO GO IN AND SEE HIM I CHOSE NOT TOO AND LET OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY GO IN AND SEE HIM I TOLD MY MOTHER TO TELL HIM HY AND I WENT TO WORK
I DID SO THINKING ALL WOULD BE OK HOW WRONG I WAS HE DIED IN RECOVERY OF CARDIAC ARREST
TO THIS DAY I FEEL GUILTY FOR NOT GOING IN AND BEING WITH HIM
I DID WHAT I DID BELIEVING ALL WOULD GO WELL AND ID BE BULLSHITTING WITH HIM THAT NITE HOW WRONG I WAS AND THE LOSS OF NOT SEEING HIM BEFORE SURGURY STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY
AS FOR MY WIFE ROSIE I WAS THERE FROM THE START AND WILL BE TILL SHES DONE AND BEATS THIS THING
SHE BEAT BREAST CANCER 2 YRS AGO AND SHE WILL BEAT THIS SHE AINT NO QUITTER IN HER WORDS I WILL BEAT THIS 1 TOO
THIS WOMAN HAS BALLS BIGGER THAN KING KONG I MY SELF AM SCARED SHITLESS THIS IS MY BEST BUDDY AND FRIEND SHE WILL KICK ITS ASS FOR SURE PLEASE YALL SAY A PRAY FOR HER
THATS ALL SHE WANTS NO TEARS JUST PRAYERS
SORRY TO BE SO LONG WINDED AND THANKS TO A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE
RICH A.K.A. CRASH


I am sorry about your brother, Rich. That is sad. I was lucky. I was able to visit Roy regularly up until he passed. I saw him last on Wednesday after work. By then, he was seriously foggy. The last remnants of him were going away...

Your wife sounds like a real trooper! God Speed for her TOTAL recovery. And if I can help, let me know.


THANKS ANDY I WILL JUST TALKING ABOUT RELEIVES SOME OF THE TENSION AND WORRY
AGAIN THANKS TO ALL OF YOU
CRASH
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I'd heard you speak of this before but this is the first time I've heard of the details to this extent. I hope that talking about it has helped you on this sad anniversary. I also hope you know that all of us here who know you are always more than willing to listen at any time.
Crash, I'll be thinking of you of you and your wife too. May all go well for you both.


NOTORIOUS
THANK YOU FOR THE KIND THOUGHTS
AND WORDS
I WILL KEEP YALL ABREAST AS WE GO THROUGH THE RADIATION PROCESS
AGAIN THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU
RICH A.K.A. CRASH
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Crash,

Your wife, you and your family shall be in our prayers for a speedy and full recovery. We are all here for you brother.
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Your wife, you and your family shall be in our prayers for a speedy and full recovery. We are all here for you brother.





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thank you for the kind words and prayers
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Wow Andy, truly sad story. I lost my grandfather to stage IV lung cancer. I was by his side every single day in the hospital for weeks. It was at the point where the cancer had spread to his brain. He didn't even remember me, but it didn't matter. One of the saddest parts of my life. Glad you shared your story.

Rich - best wishes for your wife and hope for a speedy recovery.

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It's strange how we go about our daily lives bitching about this and complaining about that. Then suddenly we get some news of something that really is shattering. The little things we thought were big, pale in comparrison to the occasional realities which we all must deal with. Though I've been no stranger to tragedy, it is never easy and requires strenghth that is often more than a single man can bear. My heart goes out to you CRASH and Andy and to all who undergo these trying times. I try always to remember the best of times and the power of positive thinking.
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WELL GUYS FOR ROSE AND MYSELF WE SAY THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS-THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
YALL ARE TRULY A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE
THANKS AGAIN
CRASH
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It's strange how we go about our daily lives bitching about this and complaining about that. Then suddenly we get some news of something that really is shattering. The little things we thought were big, pale in comparrison to the occasional realities which we all must deal with. Though I've been no stranger to tragedy, it is never easy and requires strenghth that is often more than a single man can bear. My heart goes out to you CRASH and Andy and to all who undergo these trying times. I try always to remember the best of times and the power of positive thinking.


+1

Well-said!
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WELL GUYS FOR ROSE AND MYSELF WE SAY THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS-THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
YALL ARE TRULY A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE
THANKS AGAIN
CRASH


One more thought, Crash...

Duke.

As in Duke University. They have THE leading brain tumor research center. No questions asked. Be sure your wifes oncologists are in touch with them.
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WELL GUYS FOR ROSE AND MYSELF WE SAY THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS-THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
YALL ARE TRULY A GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE
THANKS AGAIN
CRASH


One more thought, Crash...

Duke.

As in Duke University. They have THE leading brain tumor research center. No questions asked. Be sure your wifes oncologists are in touch with them.


THANKS ANDY SHE IS GOING TO THE SITEMAN CANCER CENTER HERE IN ST LOUIS IT CONNECTED WITH THE BARNES JEWISH HOSP.HERE
HER SURGEON IS THE BEST IN THE MIDWEST
I AM TAKING HER DOWN TODAY TO GET FITTED FOR HER RADIATION MASK AND GET THE REST OF THE DETAILS AS TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ILL KEEP YALL POSTED
THANKS AGAIN GUYS AND GALS FPR YOUR KIND WORDS-THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
RICH
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