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| jimmers | What do you guys make of this. | ||
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I've been hearing more and more about this whole running water in your car. It's been on the news several times. Any input?
http://halfwaterhalfgas.com/waterasfuel.php |
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Posted on: 2008/6/7 23:17
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| CentralCoaster | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Annoying pop-ups on that site.
Anyhow, every single news report you see about gas saving miracles is 100% bullshit. This one is no different, I think that's the Brown's gas pseudo-science. The same old stuff comes up everytimg gas prices rise. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/7 23:52
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| brut | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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I am not going to click that but Mythbusters did a show on water fuels and they were bogus. Car would not run at all.
What did run really well was old french fry oil from places like McDonalds and such. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 0:09
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| FLYINLOW90 | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Yup I saw that show. They said following the car it smelled like French Fries :tongue: Gary |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 1:45
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| jimmers | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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I didn't think its legit. I would never buy it, but it seems like it's getting alot of publicity! |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 5:31
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| Mekanic | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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man where is the common sense going in this country.
Let me get technical for a minute. I don't want to confuse anyone, but I'm going to get deep into this subject, and use some precise and scientifically proven data to bust this thing wide open, so there wont be any more confusion. WATER DOESN'T BURN!!! |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 5:49
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| red_johnny | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Hydrogen does burn though and if you could produce enough it would run an engine if the engine was set up to do that. When mythbusters did their test they were trying to run a car COMPLETELY off of one of these things. This one is built to only complement the gas. Mythbusters also tried to use straight hydrogen to run their test car and that did not work mainly because the car was not set up to run that way. I think they should have tested out a hybrid model that runs off of a gas/hydrogen mix. That actually sounds like it may work! I am not saying it would but it would be cool to see what the results would be.
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 13:19
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| BillH | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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The local news just did a blip on "Hydrogen Boost".
There's a performance shop here installing these systems. Claims are 20-25% mpg increase, stated by some of the customers interviewed. This shop already has contracts with 2 local delivery fleets. It's basically a hydrogen generator that runs off your battery. Makes hydrogen from water that is sucked thru a vacuum line. The shop is charging $800 to install one. Complete kits are $150 -$200 The TV weatherman built one for less than $100 but I haven't heard about any results. It's interesting, I may try one out on my Silverado. There's a bunch of web sites, Google - hydrogen boost. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 14:00
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| CasetheCorvetteman | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Yes hydrogen does burn, but so does salt water if its exposed to certain radio waves.
I have the info for that water4gas idea here that someone emailed me, i havent read it yet, but i dont expect it to work on a computer controlled car unless its tuned to run in open loop and assuming the amount of gas this jar produced was reasonably even. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 15:26
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| bogus | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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BMW has a 7-series that has been converted to burn hydrogen.
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 20:28
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| jimmers | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Thats right, I remember reading about that awhile ago. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 22:21
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| Touringmike | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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I don't think I'll be trying that anytime soon.
My Blazer didn't run too well a few years back when I had a full tank of gas, with some water added for good luck by the local Citgo retailer, at -15 F. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/8 23:02
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| CasetheCorvetteman | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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There are LOADS of cars that are running on it, none of them are at all practical. Hydrogen takes electricity to make (which some of you blokes made it very clear you dont like), costs substantially more to make then petrol, and so for there is no safe way to store enough of it in a car to get more than about 70-80 miles (which was another thing alot of you didnt like). You cant just stop anywhere and fill'r up, and even if you could, youd be looking at alot more money to go alot less range. It was 10-15 years off production 20 years ago, and its still 10-15 years off so they say. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/9 3:02
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| BillH | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Just to clairfy, the hydrogen boost systems make the hydrogen in containers under your hood, while you're driving. Carb or FI doesn't matter, the hydrogen goes into the intake.
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Posted on: 2008/6/9 14:40
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| CasetheCorvetteman | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Yes, thats how its meant to work, ive never tried it, dont know anyone that has yet. The issue here is how will the O2 sensor see this and effect the fuel? Will it still want to pump in the same amount of juice? Will this stuff cause excess wear because it has no lubricating properties whatso ever?
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| toptechx6 | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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I can't answer the question about lubricating properties but I believe the O2 sensor should function normally. We often refer to them reading rich or lean but in truth they have no clue how much or what type fuel is present, they respond to oxygen only. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/10 7:53
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| CasetheCorvetteman | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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Yeah but how will they see water? What will they say to that?
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Posted on: 2008/6/10 11:48
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| toptechx6 | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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They only "see" oxygen (O2) water is (H2O) suppose it could accelerate sensor deterioration, but how much harsher can the environment get for an O2 sensor, pretty fierce as it is I'd say.
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Posted on: 2008/6/10 12:03
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| CentralCoaster | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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So let me get this straight. You're gonna use your gasoline to power your engine to turn an alternator which splits water molecules so you can get hydrogen to power the engine.
And this makes it more efficient how? This "BOOST" consists of converting gasoline energy to electrical energy, to drive a chemical reaction, which is then converted again to mechanical energy inside the engine. You've added 3 more inefficiencies to the system. |
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Posted on: 2008/6/10 18:49
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| CasetheCorvetteman | Re: What do you guys make of this. | ||
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It draws about 2 amps Coaster, but i dont believe it works either til i try it and see it in action. 2 amps aint gonna do jack do the ecconomy of the alternator.
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