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Has anybody done an analog gauge cluster for their 90 or later vette ? I see VettAid is offering one . I would imagine it could be built , but not sure on how to place all the sensors .
I hate my dash most of the gauges stopped working and the back light goes on and off from time to time . Plus analogs gives it a real sports car look. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/9 23:34
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| Matatk | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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AFAIK the vetteaid dashes were for 84-89.
Would you consider repairing what you have? It would be much cheaper in the long run. I have no experience with these guys, I've just seen the site: http://www.corvettedashclusterservice.com/Clusterinfo90to96.html -=Jeff=- should chime in, he knows a lot about those dashes, having converted a 91 to work in his former 89. |
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| TommyT-Bone | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Here is the site.
http://vettaid.com/default.aspx?cid=W5lW9TcdoWA= A little background. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-ge ... 09-no-more-digi-dash.html A little more http://www.smokinvette.com/corvetteforum/showthread.php?t=38767 |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 3:34
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| SpectatorRacing | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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The only thing that is tricky is the speedo. It's electrical as opposed to mechanical like most aftermarket "hot rod" parts.
The tach is easy, oil pressure is easy (although I'd convert to a mechanical guage if I were you), and oil/water temp both come in electrically. I changed to a mechanical oil temp guage, but that's overkill for a street car. The only challenging part, really, will be making it look right if you can't find a kit that replaces the stock cluster. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 8:40
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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VettAid is now making the dash for the 1990 + years.
and just found out they will sell me the dash without gauges which is great because I want to find the gauges that I like best , not be stuck with an option of just two styles that they offer. also my oil pressure ( either gauge or sender ) has gone out it seems like the sender is hard to get to behind the distributor any tips on how to change it , and is there two senders ? one for the computer and one for the gauge . because the engine wouldn't start if the computer senses no oil pressure ( 4lbs of pressure is what it has to see acording to the GM service manual) |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 13:34
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| Matatk | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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That's good to hear! But how will they integrate the speedometer? AFAIK it runs through the CCM. Will you just splice into the VSS? Is that possible? As far as the oil pressure sender, just pull the distributor. Much easier and not as time consuming as you think. Just use a silver sharpie to mark your plug wires for easier reinstallation. Also, on the older vettes, it was two switches off of that little "tee" on the back of the manifold...my 89 has one integrated switch. Yours is probably the same. Matthew |
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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I'll have to fix that oil press. sender , sucks not having an oil pess. reading . I am not sure on how the speedometer will get its signal , I am going to check with Autometer and see what they offer for sensors , but there has got to be a way. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 14:04
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| Vetron87 | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Corvette Central has an Analog Dish with Auto Meter Gauges for C4's Looks great.
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 14:43
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| BillH | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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That one's for 84 to 89, IIRC. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 14:59
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| Vetron87 | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Check out page 110 in the C4 Corvette Central Catalog on line. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 15:28
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| -=Jeff=- | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Do they have a picture of the Cluster or just the bezel. Also how much for just the bezel? in a 1990 up if it displayed on the LCD, it came from the CCM. if there is a way to grab the GM VSS signal and use it on an aftermarket gauge all the better, I am all for keeping the CCM in the car and functioning. it will even store mileage so when you ever swapped back to OEM, the actual mileage will be there. the other one if Fuel, the sender from the tank feeds the CCM, you should be able to split off the CCM for a gauge, most others will need new/ different sending units. If the bezel looks decent that might be cool mod, although you would lose the DIC features. I would like to see a kit where it still uses the LCD, but the analog gauges are replaced with more accurate ones.. here are a couple photoshop I did some years ago   |
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| Matatk | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Page 110 in the paper catalog (or 112/184 on the online catalog), it's for 84-89. There is a small box to repair your missing digits on the 90-96 LCD display.  |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 18:02
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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If you go to vettaid.com you can see it for the 90 + C4.
I think it looks good , They will sell me just the housing, and make me a wire harness and I can pick my own gauges. From the info I got it seems plug and play although I will need a new matching oil pressure sensor. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/10 22:34
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| -=Jeff=- | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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For the price I am guessing they are asking I would think the Idiot Lights would be better done then they are
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Posted on: 2011/3/11 2:46
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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They asked me what lights I want in the dash , I think less looks better , maybe turn , Highbeams , I don't need much more than that , gauges should tell me all I need to know . |
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Posted on: 2011/3/11 22:45
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| -=Jeff=- | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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So what are they asking for one without gauges? is it wired for everything? |
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Posted on: 2011/3/12 0:56
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| tjpreul | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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With the black faced gauges it is $850. I asked about adding another gauge (boost). He said there is barely enough room for these six, but you can trade one out. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/12 2:44
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Blank face and frame $150, they will make me a wire harness just have to decide what I want ( idiot lights ) then I can get a quote for that. I'm sure building it myself with their blank and wires will cost me much less then their retail of the finished unit . Plus I want my gauges to be unique , I have an autometer catalog coming , and will see what I can come up with. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/12 15:51
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| -=Jeff=- | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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For $150 are there any Gauge holes in it yet? (If you know)
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 4:32
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| bogus | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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how do they handle the odometer? That data is stored in the CCM.
Now... speed shouldn't be a problem, even tho it comes thought the CCM, I am pretty sure it is only a pass through and not a direct feed. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 5:05
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| Matatk | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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The little I know about the VSS on the 90s I read here: http://www.jagsthatrun.com/V8-chapters/V8-tpi-Speed-Sensors.pdf "On the left is a “4-output vehicle speed buffer” used on vehicles with electric speedometers. It gets the vehicle speed signal from a 4-pulse sine-wave generator mounted at the transmission, and converts the sine-wave into a square wave signal for the ECM, speedometer, cruise control, and on some models, the radio (to control volume with vehicle speed). 1990 and newer TPI engines have the buffer incorporated into the ECM, and the ECM outputs the square wave to the speedometer, cruise control and radio." Since you would use an electronic speedo, I don't see why it can't be set to use either a 2 or 4 pulse vss. |
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 11:52
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| -=Jeff=- | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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if the CCM is still connected it will still save mileage.. only caveat is it will not be displayed with their gauges |
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 14:33
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| RobertT | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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Not sure , I will have to ask . |
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 21:15
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| tjpreul | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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When you call can you also ask for another picture to show how they look with the rest of the dash? |
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Posted on: 2011/3/13 21:32
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| 85RedSled | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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I dont know if its addressed with the Vetteaid kit but in the early year C4's the cruise is controlled by the dash. I was thinking of trying the Trans Am conversion but the no cruise is putting me off. It isnt necessary but its definitely nice on trips.
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| Raidmagic | Re: Analog gauge cluster | ||
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You can buy an aftermarket cruise controller for about $60 that will handle that issue. |
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