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TommyT-Bone And That's The Way It Is (Postal Reallignment) PR&C
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That makes sense - let's see, we're unprofitable, so let's make our service lousier.
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Yea, they're trying to close the sorting center here. That means if I mail a letter from south Reno to north Reno it will go from my mailbox to the post office then get put on a truck and hauled to Sacramento to the sorting center who will put it on a truck to be hauled to Reno (hopefully without 10 feet of snow on Donner Summit) where it will be dropped off at the post office to be out on the poatman's van.

Easy peasy.
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Why don't they just double the rates for bulk (junk) mail?
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Why don't they just double the rates for bulk mail?


Cause....that might make sense?

So, they're loosing money??? Ye, this summer on the news they reported how letter carriers all over the country were being paid full salary to stay home on stand by. Duh.
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Why doesn't the US Government take them over.......they have a great efficient business model............
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Yea, they could deliver in Chevy Volts with Obama stickers on the hoods.
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First let me state that the Post Office was created over 200 years ago. Pony Express lost out to the mail trains, trains lost out to planes, and so goes the history of the Postal Service. In it's current form the Postal Service has lost out to electronic information transfer. It is faltering as a result of progress. It's a dinosuar of sorts dying a slow and painful death. Sure Americans want it and have become accustomed to it but they are the very reason it is going away. Population grows and volume diminishes. The postal service serves more addresses with lower volume. The junk mail you receive helps defray some of the expense but non profits and peridicals pay a paultry sum. Yes, payroll and benefits eat up the bulk of postal monies. Salaries are not out of line with other so called private delivery operations. (FED EX and UPS). The talk of turning delivery over to the private sector is laughable. Those two companies combined could not handle the volume increase. I've read of using WalMarts as delivery hubs. Part time, low wage, no benefit employees handling your mail. That ought to go over big. Don't be surprised in that scenario that your private information is sold off, your valuables, credit cards and other important items disappear, after all, a man has to make a living. Call it shrinkage. Effect on the communities. The mayors and govenors are already voicing their concerns. With the loss of jobs comes the loss of income producing business supported by those displaced workers. Those BurgerKings, McDonalds, gas stations and convenience stores, not to forget the money spent in the private sector by those very workers for services and products that support their way of life. So say good bye to the USPS as you know it. It's not their fault. It dies from change. Change in the way you and I do business. No different than you giving up a car and going back to a horse. Highly unlikely. So saddle up, changes are coming.
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But..........I hate change.......

Why don't they just charge what it takes to make it all fly? Yeah they will lose business but then that will take less folks to work and they will save money in the end. To have a working business you have to keep expenses down and have a decent markup on your products or service.....I don't think they do.
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Why don't they just double the rates for bulk (junk) mail?

Because at that price point mailers would seek an alternative. In the current model the USPS has to go out anyway so they try to offset expense by piggybacking circulars.
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I read this article, too. Unfortunate. I don't have the answer. The problem with the USPS, like many other "government" type agencies is waste and poor management. I've talked to some postal workers and their descriptions of inefficiency is amazing. USPS needs an overhaul, not sure if this is the right answer, though.
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It's simple evolution. To survive you must adapt. Less volume means lesser need for daily delivery. Even if you got your mail every other day would it really make that big a difference? I don't believe so unless you like to time things to the last possible day. Even then, it's the consumer that should adapt. Mail early whatever must be mailed and dont push to the deadline. Banks will whine but they're the ones that create this with online bill pay as does all other major company promoting online billing and online payment. It's the new way to do things. You can't have both. The consumer and business has made it's choice and it is not the USPS. What happens when a business doesn't get enough volume to continue production? It closes or suspends operations. Same principles apply. So we'll see change.
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I remember them talking before about eliminating Saturday delivery for residential customers. Business delivery would be maintained. That sounded like a good idea.
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First let me state that the Post Office was created over 200 years ago. Pony Express lost out to the mail trains, trains lost out to planes, and so goes the history of the Postal Service. In it's current form the Postal Service has lost out to electronic information transfer. It is faltering as a result of progress. It's a dinosuar of sorts dying a slow and painful death. Sure Americans want it and have become accustomed to it but they are the very reason it is going away. Population grows and volume diminishes. The postal service serves more addresses with lower volume. The junk mail you receive helps defray some of the expense but non profits and peridicals pay a paultry sum. Yes, payroll and benefits eat up the bulk of postal monies. Salaries are not out of line with other so called private delivery operations. (FED EX and UPS). The talk of turning delivery over to the private sector is laughable. Those two companies combined could not handle the volume increase. I've read of using WalMarts as delivery hubs. Part time, low wage, no benefit employees handling your mail. That ought to go over big. Don't be surprised in that scenario that your private information is sold off, your valuables, credit cards and other important items disappear, after all, a man has to make a living. Call it shrinkage. Effect on the communities. The mayors and govenors are already voicing their concerns. With the loss of jobs comes the loss of income producing business supported by those displaced workers. Those BurgerKings, McDonalds, gas stations and convenience stores, not to forget the money spent in the private sector by those very workers for services and products that support their way of life. So say good bye to the USPS as you know it. It's not their fault. It dies from change. Change in the way you and I do business. No different than you giving up a car and going back to a horse. Highly unlikely. So saddle up, changes are coming.


Tommy, you are spot on with this. I have been saying the same thing for a long time now.

The people that will be hurt the most are the ones, like my Mother, who do not have and refuse to get a computer / e-mail.
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It's simple evoltution. To survive you must adapt. Less volume means lesser need for daily delivery. Even if you got your mail every other day would it really make that big a difference? I don't believe so unless you like to time things to the last possible day. Even then, it's the consumer that should adapt. mail early whatever must be mailed and dont push to the deadline. Banks will whine but they're the ones that create this with online bill pay as does all other major company promting online billing and online payment. It's the new way to do things. You can't have both. The consumer and business has made it's choice and it is not the USPS. What happens when a business doesn't get enough volume to continue production? It closes or suspends operations. Same principles apply. So we'll see change.


I've seen a TV commercial recently for the USPS where they are touting how paper invoices, statements, etc. never have viruses like those nasty electronic ones - LOL! Nice try, though.
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I can do without it. If it were up to me I'd have the mailman arrested for littering on my property. Every day he comes here and puts trash on my porch.

I pay all my bills online. Who writes checks anymore?
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I've seen a TV commercial recently for the USPS where they are touting how paper invoices, statements, etc. never have viruses like those nasty electronic ones - LOL! Nice try, though.


They must have forgotten about the unabomber and anthrax. Those are nasty contagious.
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The talk of turning delivery over to the private sector is laughable. Those two companies combined could not handle the volume increase. I've read of using WalMarts as delivery hubs. Part time, low wage, no benefit employees handling your mail. That ought to go over big. Don't be surprised in that scenario that your private information is sold off, your valuables, credit cards and other important items disappear,


The free market will take care of it. The USPS is not federally subsidized is dying solely due to lack of demand for their services.

People would gladly accept their mail from the lowest bidder. They'd watch a 30 second commercial before opening their packages if it meant a discount. Americans have been selling off their dignity for decades to save a buck in the short term. And they will keep doing it until they don't have a buck to spend. Then they will vote more bucks into their pocket.

Obviously this will drastically increase the cost of living for those with dignity when they become a thinned out minority that will be more expensive to meet the demands of.

The dignity market is really booming. I think I'm going to go into film production and start producing ATM commercials. On the side I'll market neck tattoo real estate to large corporations.
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I can do without it. If it were up to me I'd have the mailman arrested for littering on my property. Every day he comes here and puts trash on my porch.

I pay all my bills online. Who writes checks anymore?



I write one check a month to my landlord for my rent in another town, really too far to drive it to him. If he had a deposit only account here, I'd do that instead. The utility company mails me a bill but I'd just as soon have it sent to me on line. I'd pay that online but it's not far from my house and I can go there on the way to someplace else to pay it. They charge a fee to pay online. Not sure why, keeps them from having to pay some chick to stand in a teller window to take my payment.
The rest of the mail I get is mostly garbage on Wednesdays.
Sure, viruses don't come in paper mails like in emails, but still annoying junk all the same and I have to contend with it, plus all that paper pisses off the tree huggers.... and, that's a whole nuther can of worms...
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