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Dave is building me the 383. I have a question about putting in oil pan 5 quart. Is there a problem with room for it to fit. My vet was lowered an 1".
What pan did you use. I also looked at this 6 quart http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MOR ... 7c1987%7cModel%7cCORVETTE Steve |
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I would get a Canton pan. It has to be installed once the engine is in the car, but it is more than high enough to be safe from road damage.
It also has trap doors to help cut down on oil slosh. |
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Were you refering to 5 or 6 quarts or is the answer the same? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CTR ... el%7cCORVETTE&prefilter=1 I watched their video do you know if this one has the windage tray built. They said I thought all did I could be wrong> |
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don't be down on yourself, Steve... I was suggesting a very good pan that holds 7 qts! that's all.
https://www.cantonracingproducts.com/p ... ETTE-RR-PAN-1-PIECE-SEAL/ check summit for their price. |
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I used my stock pan. In 20/20 hindsight, I would have preferred a nice canton pan. But cost was a factor at the time. So you can do either.
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Went with the Canton
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Will used the stock pan on mine, again, as said above, it was a cost issue. But there was no clearance issues with it. It bolted right on. Its my understanding alot of that is based on what rods you are using.
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I hear ya... I really hear ya...
The Canton is the cream of this crop... no question. |
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cats are behind the headers, there is no obstruction what so ever.
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Been in bad mood since I left AAA I would at least a go to hell or something from the towing co. LOL
Thanks for refocusing me . |
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I'm not sure that's true about installing the pan once the motor is in the car.. It's been a while since I installed one, from my memory I thought accessing some of the pan bolts with the motor in the car was extremely difficult due to the shape of the canton pan and that the motor must be removed to remove the pan.. or atleast it would be much easier then trying to remove while the motor was installed.... -=Rick |
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That would make it a real pan in the ass. Has anyone else had simular problems. I would like to hear before I spend $350+. |
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http://www.corvetteguruforum.com/modu ... t_id=45188#forumpost45188
This says you can remove/install while in the car but it's a PIA: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c4-te ... val-install-question.html |
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From the other link (I've done it twice. PIA but possible. Gotta remove the cats if you still have them on the car. I also removed the diagonal cross-braces that run from the frame rails to the front cross-member. Every extra inch helps. You'll need to jack up the engine ~1" so the pan clears in front during the install) They are confusing as I am . My cats are welded on. Does this other guy know what he is talking about.Before we install it on or off ? I have never seen one installed. Is there one on utube. I am at a shool confrence on my lunch right now. I don't forsee any problems if it installed beforhand. Don't want to have to pull it back out if there is a problem with install. |
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done to instructions and properly torqued, should be fine.
Add some thread lock blue and the bolt won't back out. |
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Still back to does it have to be installed before or after. Has any one had issues install with pan on engine?
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I would ask Canton at this point.
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("Steve, It is always easier to install and check clearances with the engine out of the car. That being said you could in some applications install it while the engine is in, but it would depend on your particular set-up (headers, etc.). Since the engine is currently out of the car we recommend you install the pan before putting it in the car. Thank you, Canton Racing Products Visit us at: www.CantonRacingProducts.com Or call at (203) 481-9460 ")Here is a way of saying I don't know I just sell the product. |
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I used a different brand, but the dimensions are very close. The pan was installed on the motor before I put it in the car. I didn't have any issues. Before I installed the starter I put the headers on to be sure it could be done. There were no issues putting the starter on. The cross member is close, and I didn't look at the clearence with the stock pan.
Here are the measurements of the pan I used. http://www.champpans.com/index.cfm?event=productdetail&id=103 |
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Thanks Tyler I will take your word for it. I just like to cross my ts and dot my eyes first. Hopefully ups will take the transmission the way it is packed in the morning. Dave said the 383 may be done this weekend. In between this stuff when my son't 4.0 arrives I will help him pick it up and see if we can stick it on the first try in the jeep. I will need my lift back from son to take engine out of my truck. When you have nothing to do everything breaks loose . lol murphys law Attach file:  shop1.jpg (81.02 KB) shop2.jpg (76.73 KB) |
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been there... done that.. hate it when it is one thing after another like that.
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ordered pan from summit last night
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that will be one bad ass Vette when it's done!
Do yourself a favour... get it insured for agreed value. Grab all reciepts, add it up, round up to the next 5k value, insure. |
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Thats a great idea I am sure it is worth more then the $5000 I paid for it Lol |
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oh, yea!
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Pan and other parts arrived today Summit is fast on shipping
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Ordered some more stuff last night looking at the pan there won't be any problems installing it on or off. |
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Just an FYI my builder had the pan on when he installed my engine.
(see 1st pic) Not sure about the cross braces, they needed to be removed in order to pull the lower control arms for rebuilding with Del-Alum bushings. I know with the stock pan you can pull it on the car, though you may need to rotate the crank. |
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Well when the transmission comes back we will get things going. I will know for sure and let you know what took place with the oil pan. It is going in one way or another.
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Wait on transmission #3 in line waiting to be repaired. couple complaints about the pan. who ever did the drilling for some of the end studs in the pan left no room for the nuts supplied with the ss studs. lots of fine tuening that would have been a major problem if I installed this with the engine on. the supplied gasket is very thick not like felt pro it stays in place by it's self |
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I contacted summit and they asked to see pictures if I had them also offered to replace it missed a phone call from the company and the rep wanted to make everything good on the pan. I should hear from them early next week. I really like the way the one piece rear oil seal looks hooked up to the pan . (thanks Dave for the gift) |
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when the transmission get here we will see if the Howell hydraulic bearing for stock clutches and the master cylinder fit or I can try the T5 style. Can't remember the face of the transmission from Kessler looks like right now. To fit the 3/4 " cylinder to wall the mounting plate will have to be drilled for it to mount as the stock is a different angle
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I liked the modifications I made to the pan to make it fit correctly.
Remined me of the old days with PEP boys waiting to find a part that fit or worked. |
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Cool! Sometimes doing a fix like that is quicker...
Hell, if it means a hole that is 2mm larger, who cares? |
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The pan uses studs . I got washers and on the pan side ground them down to clear the inside lipe of the pan.ground
the skirt of the nut down and made clearance for the nut. Had to use wrench to tighten nut down as socket would lodge against the pan inner edge. |
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You're already planning to install it while the motor is out, but for future readers, there is NO way to install a Canton pan in a C4 with the motor in the car unless you jack the front of the engine up several inches. I've done it three times (twice on my '93 and once a friend's '87) and both times I wished I had pulled the motor, although the '87 was MUCH easier than the LT1. The front of the pan hits the front main studs no matter what.
Then, once the pan is in place, it will take you two hours and you will fill your swear jar trying to get the gasket in there properly. You can not slide the pan up into place with the gasket on it, you will knock it off the front of the pan. It must go in after the fact and your fingers spend a LOT of time in between the frame and the block. Every second of that process made me nervous about my harbor freight engine hoist dropping the engine on my fingers and removing them... Even with jacking the front of the motor up it is a major PITA. At the very least you have to remove the whole passenger side of the motor (header, starter) to get to the bolts on that side between the wing and the block. They can not be reached from the bottom as the wing is in the way. If you use the stock oil pan rails you won't have issues with the nuts. Attach file: Oil pan 005 (highlighted).JPG (0.00 KB) Oil pan 001.jpg (0.00 KB) |
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It doesn't look easy with the motor out. they are bitching at me at the shop lol. will find out if there is room for the oilcooler with the pan. did you have this issue will be working on the install this week hoping the transmission showes up soon. pressure washing and paint are first. checking everything out while the bay is open. thanks Jon Attach file: 20121006_171722.jpg (77.43 KB) 20121006_171808.jpg (78.50 KB) |
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Pan was a tight fit and I am glad it was on engine when installed.Oil cooler had no clearance problems. When there is time to put in the transmission we will see how low the pan is. Replacing plugs and anything needs fixing first.
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You can see there is cleareance not a lot
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