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tobijohn | Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I've been toying with the idea of reproducing the Grand Sport fender flares for a while now and finally found someone with the skills, facilities and interest to possibly pursue it. Injection molding is out as the initial startup costs are astronomical. However, fiberglass flares using multiple molds and hand finished might be feasible depending on demand and pricing. I know what few originals are still out there are going for $500+ a set when you can find them. Does anyone have any ideas on what might be a realistic price for repos? I know the proper way to do this would be to estimate material cost and labor, then price accordingly. But I'm thinking that if they can't be sold for $200 or less a set, there wouldn't be much interest anyway. TIA..
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For what they're commanding, now that GM has ceased making them, I'd think there'd be a helluva demand for them at a reasonable price. For a well done set, I don't think most people would mind even $250. I'd say 95% of buyers could give a flying f*** if they're originals or not, as long as they look good and fit.
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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For what they're commanding, now that GM has ceased making them, I'd think there'd be a helluva demand for them at a reasonable price. For a well done set, I don't think most people would mind even $250. I'd say 95% of buyers could give a flying f*** if they're originals or not, as long as they look good and fit. I was planning to use a set of the originals for the molds and the finish quality would be at least as good. They'd ship primed ready for paint with both the mounting screws and the double-sided tape the originals came with.. |
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Notorious | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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If you have the means to make this happen, I'd sure give it a go!
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Are there any licensing issues if using the GM part for the mold master?
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Mr_Mojo | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I don't know if I'd actually buy a set, but $200-250 seems reasonable and I'm sure they would sell well.
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Are there any licensing issues if using the GM part for the mold master? I don't know for sure. There have been a number of threads at the other place but no consensus. I'd of course, check that out but from talking to a good friend whose family is in the manufacturing business and who is familiar with this sort of thing, it's unlikely that there would be a problem. I guess the easiest thing to do would be to contact a company already making aftermarket replacement parts (i.e. exact replica carbon fiber hoods and other body parts) and see what kind of hoops, if any, would have to be jumped through... EDIT: I would think that as long as I did not advertise them as GM parts and say, made sure the GM part number and logo weren't on them, that would be ok... |
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 0:14
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Ramrod | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I'd pick up a pair
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 0:17
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I'd also try to reproduce the rear export lower flares that fit under the side molding. I always thought that something looked incomplete with just the main wheel flare:
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 0:26
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Rimcrew | Re: Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares | ||
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I'm thinking that if they can't be sold for $200 or less a set, there wouldn't be much interest anyway. TIA.. I would agree. I think you would sell plenty at $200 - more at $150, if you could swing that. Good luck. There seems to be a growing demand for these. |
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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The Japan spec cars left the factory with the same flares as seen on the GS since way back, there are a few C4s over here that have them, most are removed.
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bogus | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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ecklers does not sell them, rather surprising.
Corvette Central only has left ones in stock, right discontinued for 219 each. |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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ecklers does not sell them, rather surprising. That's because nobody makes them. The only sets I see are occasionally on eBay or in the CF Parts for Sale section. As for the left side still being in stock and the right side discontinued, that's been the situation for at least the past year. And what's with that? Why wouldn't both be still around or neither be still around? Why just the one side? I don't get it... |
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 4:23
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Why dont you buy a left one and make a mirror one of it for the right? Shouldnt be too hard to do.
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Why dont you buy a left one and make a mirror one of it for the right? Shouldnt be too hard to do. I don't know anything about moldmaking but I had a hunch that might work. However, I've got no problem springing for a complete set if it makes the process easier... |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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...there are a few C4s over here that have them, most are removed. Case, do you ever see any of the ones that had been removed floating around for sale down there? |
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I don't know anything about moldmaking but I had a hunch that might work. However, I've got no problem springing for a complete set if it makes the process easier... I reckon it would, cause if you look at my dash parts, the A/C vents, around the radio, and also the top pad, youll see they are mirrored, and they are all made of fibreglass, [web]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/Casethecorvetteman/My%20cars/2007%20Classic/2007show8.jpg[/web] So i reckon if they can do that pretty well, it should be doable to make some flares that are almost the same on both sides Quote: Case, do you ever see any of the ones that had been removed floating around for sale down there? Never have mate no, id say they go in the bin. |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Thanks Jim. I wouldn't pay $500 for a set of repo GS fender flares and if that's what they have to be sold for to make a fair buck, then I sure won't be making any...
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bogus | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Check this thread out from "you know where" good lord... they can't even discuss the name of the company that makes these parts... how insane. |
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 22:35
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Someone just mentioned in that thread that they're available at the Grand Sport Registry. Sure enough, they are but they're $460-$510 depending on whether you're a member or not:
http://www.grandsportregistry.com/store.htm#GSFLARES |
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 23:34
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toptechx6 | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Thanks Jim. I wouldn't pay $500 for a set of repo GS fender flares and if that's what they have to be sold for to make a fair buck, then I sure won't be making any... I wouldn't give up on the idea based on that thread, just using it as reference. Why not see how much it would cost to produce them? I might even kick in half the price of a GM set, but I want a piece of the pie! |
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Posted on: 2008/1/27 23:41
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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I wouldn't give up on the idea based on that thread, just using it as reference. Why not see how much it would cost to produce them? I might even kick in half the price of a GM set, but I want a piece of the pie! I'm definitely going to pursue it. I've got to get some pics and other info to the guy who said he could do it but in describing it to him, he didn't think it would be any kind of a big deal to reproduce them. The question is how much labor is involved in getting them to the "ready for paint" finished state... |
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Someone just mentioned in that thread that they're available at the Grand Sport Registry. Sure enough, they are but they're $460-$510 depending on whether you're a member or not: I'll be sure to pass this on the the SCCA folks who need the flares to legally run 315's in the stock class. |
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Hey, no cutting into my potential market share! Seriously, what are those guys doing now, running 285s? |
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cuisinartvette | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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You could sell those all day long for $200./$250 a pair/ I agree on the extension bit, too.
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Posted on: 2008/1/28 0:12
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Those flares are worth no more than $50 a piece. There is nothing so bloody special about them to make them worth any more than that.
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toptechx6 | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Those flares are worth no more than $50 a piece. There is nothing so bloody special about them to make them worth any more than that. Agreed from a practical standpoint mate, but this is a case of supply and demand. There are no new ones available and people want them in order to run the wide tires. The ones still around are bringing big bucks, go figure! |
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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If you can buy the whole front bumper for under $500 from Hecklers of all places, there is no good reason why anyone should charge so much for these items.
9 out of 10 people over here are reluctant to buy a C4 with them on it!!! |
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toptechx6 | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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If you can buy the whole front bumper for under $500 from Hecklers of all places, there is no good reason why anyone should charge so much for these items. It's like they say in real estate, location, location, location! |
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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In this case mate its more like dipping dog turds in gold paint and selling them as gold nuggets
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If they are working on low volume hand laid fiberglass, I can see the $500. I think it's supply and demand though. If you have a good volume going, making them out of carbon fiber should cost about $500.
tobi, I'd look into it still. I was thinking about it too myself. I have a great fiberglass company about 45 minutes from me. Looks like I may have been a little late though. Let us know what you plan. I've got an 88 vert here that could use a pair to hide the 11s we are putting on it. |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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... Let us know what you plan. I've got an 88 vert here that could use a pair to hide the 11s we are putting on it. I'm meeting with the guy early next week so I should then have a better idea on pricing.. |
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cuisinartvette | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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In this case mate its more like dipping dog turds in gold paint and selling them as gold nuggets Amen brother, thats so true. Its gets sooo old. I miss being able to call Jegs or Summit, get my part and be done with it. |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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UPDATE:
Because of some stuff that came up at the last moment, I didn't have a chance to sit down and discuss the project with the guy I had in mind. However, from the pictures and links to a few previous CF threads regarding the flares I had emailed him, he didn't see why this couldn't be done for a reasonable cost. Hopefully next Monday we'll the opportunity to go over some of the details and then have a better idea as to whether $200 a set flares are possible. However, based on his initial assessment, the chances are pretty good that we'll be moving forward on this sooner rather than later... |
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toptechx6 | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Good for you John, look forward to seeing how this develops.
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Klaus | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Just so you know, someone is already making them. They are for sale on the Grand Sport Registry Store:
http://www.grandsportregistry.com/store.htm#GSFLARES |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Just so you know, someone is already making them. They are for sale on the Grand Sport Registry Store: Yes, I know but they're $500 a pair. I'm talking about equal quality at less than half the price. And if I can find a set, I'm also planning on reproducing those lower flares that fit under the body molding. (see my post above with the yellow C4)... |
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CasetheCorvetteman | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Mate ive asked around a couple people over here and no one knows of anyone that keeps them, and seems most of them do come straight off the Japan spec cars when they get here along with the gun metal grey duco and go straight in the bin, then the car is painted a different colour.
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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Thanks Case, I appreciate it...
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John,
You can count me in for a pair, especially if you can do that rear flair part too. Would be nice to have those on to keep the rubber from the slicks getting all over the side of the Vette. :thumbright: Neil |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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John, I'm going to be keeping my eye on eBay for an original set of both. As soon as I find them, I'll buy them. And if anyone hears or knows of a source for either, please let me know. TIA... |
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tobijohn | RE:Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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UPDATE:
I finally had a chance to talk with the guy who I was considering partnering with on this project and it looks like if we want to keep the cost at $250 a set for the upper flares, we'd probably end up making about $40-50 an hour for our labor. That does not include the startup costs (purchasing an original set of flares, equipment, mold material, etc: $1500+), startup labor (actually creating the molds and production setup: 30-40 hours) and any subsequent promotional or marketing expenses (i.e. website, advertising, member discounts, etc). Obviously, this would have to be a labor of love. On top of that, there are a few guys over at CF making some noise about producing them as well, possibly out of aluminum or steel. I'm going to wait a few more months and see if anything comes of that before I move forward on this. Personally, I think that $250 is about as much as a rational human being should pay for fender flares and a recent experience bidding on a set on eBay reinforces this belief (I was the high bidder at $250 and it was the third time they'd been up for auction - obviously, the market has them priced no higher). I'll keep everyone informed... |
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tobijohn | Re: Opinions on demand and pricing for repo GS fender flares? | ||
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LATEST UPDATE:
Looks like C5 West is now remanufacturing GS flares which means I definitely won't be. Price is a little over $250. Link below (courtesy of Toptechx6): eBay #180267292665 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBa ... 26submit.y%3D9%26_fvi%3D1 Besides, the more I think about it, the more likely I'll do that Big Weenies mod using the narrower 84-87 spindles (link to info on that below): http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102996 Assuming you do it yourself (other than the machining), the cost is probabably comparable to the flares. And if anyone is interested in Big Weenies article mentioned, let me know and I'll email you a scanned copy of it... |
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