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| DaleD | We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Ok, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say, intentionally. Sure G. W. Bush came up with some real stupid stuff, but most of it was just stumbling, the kind of dumb stuff we all say on occassion, a mistake.
Ms. Pelosi meant every word of that. How or why that didn't get turned into a media spectacle is approaching criminal. Ok, that's the preamble. Now, for your viewing pleasure, finding out what's in it: http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/small ... h_care_tax_change/?hpt=C2 It appears that in an effort to collect more taxes to pay for the healthcare bill, in 2012 a 1099 will be required for just about any transaction a business makes. |
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| Ultraman | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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My tax guy told me to enjoy the present in taxland because it's going to change and it won't be for the better. I think a new ZO6 for a company car will make a nice deduction.
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| TommyT-Bone | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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There's an app for that.
My wife may want to retire sooner rather than later. We have an accountant. Looks like her job will get harder while our monthly accounting expenses will go higher. Big Government sucks. |
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| teebee | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Big Guberment.....what a joke. Instead of making things better they will run the small business, out of business. Closer to SOCIALISM all the time. |
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| DaleD | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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| Matatk | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Every day this country moves closer to socialistic ideals. Makes me sick. I'm voting Libertarian!
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| CentralCoaster | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Me too.
It's a shame people with libertarian ideals are misrepresented as being part of the extremist right-wing lunatic fringe. |
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| TommyT-Bone | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. Quote: Ok, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say, intentionally Well, sounds reasonable to me, when your Dr. asks you for a stool sample  |
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The bills they pass are on the same level as what the doctor asks for. |
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| bogus | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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here is my problem... no, I am not a socialist, and no, socialism won't work in the USA, either...
In Europe, it does work for many nations for one reason - they don't have the defense budgets. It's that simple. Greece? Half their economy is under the table and black market... However, back to my problem. Health care, if we weren't careful, was going to lead our economy into a black pit. Health care costs were the #1 tipping point in bringing down the US automakers last year. The debt caused by those costs was astronomical. What people don't realise is that a moderately good health system, available to all, will LOWER costs. Case in point: My late-brothers' brother in law. White male, 50, smoker, seasonal construction worker (concrete). Joe gets some form of lymphoma in his neck. It was diagnosed as stage 3 or 4, I don't remember. NO HEALTH INSURANCE. So he applies to the state for aide... which they grant... One person with advanced cancer cost the state several hundred thousand dollars to heal (he is ok now). If Joe had some form of insurance, perhaps he would have visited a doctor 2 years earlier, when a simple outpatience procedure would have fixed it. A little treatment and the entire bill is $50k. Not $300k+. The final two parts of the health care problem are drug costs - European nations don't get raped like we do for the same drug - and legal issues, meaning, lawsuits. I know it costs a lot to bring a new drug to market, no question, but damnit all to hell, why must we eat all the advertising expenses? That's where it's getting expensive. Personally, any healthcare fix should have included banning ads of prescription drugs on TV... besides, I don't want to see 2 old folks laying naked in bathtubs looking over a valley (WTF is the metaphor there?) or hear about someones pipes leaking... ugh... |
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| TommyT-Bone | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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I know it costs a lot to bring a new drug to market, no question, but damnit all to hell, why must we eat all the advertising expenses? That's where it's getting expensive There are still plenty of good old drugs on the market. |
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| bogus | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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agreed... but the system pushes the new and wonderful.
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| 383tpimachine | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Im young and still think healthcare should be a luxury. Cant afford it due without. Need it bad enough go into debt. No one should have to take care of a grown adult.
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| DaleD | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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You touch on one of the many problems of the "healthcare" bill. Lawsuits drive doctors out of business, they drive up costs due to doctors practicing defensive medicine. Drugs cost more due to lawsuits for any problems, and on and on. So, you'd think some form of tort reform was in order? Never even mentioned. A huge potential cost savings wasn't even considered. Some argue that a huge reform had to be crammed through, there was no other way. That's stupid. What about incremental reform? What was the rush? Much of what's going to happen to us, happens in 2012 and beyond. The 2500 page bill could have been broken up into bite size, digestible pieces. Did the government really need to take over the student loan program as part of healthcare reform? And honestly, how can a legislative body pass a bill they didn't read?! Even Ms. Pelosi didn't know what was in the bill! That's very much like going to a dealer, telling them you want a car and having them say: "You have to buy it before we can show it to you." You don't know if it's an ATV, motorcycle, Corvette, truck or a tank, but you have to buy it to see what you're getting. Pure insanity. |
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| DaleD | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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As one doctor put it: If you have a right to my services, I am your slave. |
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| BillH | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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The ads don't cost near as much as the lawsuits but I'd like to see them go away too. And the "I need a new Ferrari" mentality of the lawyers affects doctor & hospital costs just as much. Ban the lawyer ads too. I looked at a prescription cost once- Here, $300, Canada, $150, Elsewhere, $100 for the same damn drug. Saw an ad on tv the other day. It listed 20 pills including Tylanol. Call us if you take any of these, you may be entitled to a large cash settlement. F__kin' Lawyers. |
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| BillH | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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| biggrizzly | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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I just had someone send me the following newspaper article. I haven't "Snoped" it so I don't know how factual the content is.
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| flyboy | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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I bet a lot more business transactions will be in cash to avoid this new paperwork nightmare. |
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| 383tpimachine | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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I will be graduating in 2013 into the medical field. S#IT
and seems I will never own my own home. renting will be fun. Hell I can probably get away with squatting for years with the way this is all headed |
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| biggrizzly | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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Why buy a house now? I bought two years ago at what we thought was a GREAT price. We are down $35K right now.
sometimes I wish I would have stayed renting. |
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| 383tpimachine | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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hard to find a country house with a 6 car garage Im far from even moving out of the parents house anyway |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it. | ||
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This kid is willing to pay ......
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