I'm sure there are many good ones out there and my experience with performance converters is limited. But I really can't tell much difference between my stock one and my 3000 Vigilante. That is..... until I fully depress the fun pedal!

and what happens then? Please share if you don't mind because I am trying to visualize what a stall converter feels like in action... when you fully depress is there a hesitation and then it takes off or something else?

No hesitation, it just engages at a higher RPM range than the stocker. This way you're already at a greater torque level. During launches it's roughly equivalent to revving it up and dropping the clutch with a manual car, but with a bit less driveline shock.

I really can't tell much difference between my stock one and my 3000 Vigilante. That is..... until I fully depress the fun pedal!

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I really can't tell much difference between my stock one and my 3000 Vigilante. That is..... until I fully depress the fun pedal!

I think part of the reason for that is the high quality converter you bought. For all the labor involved, I'd hate to put it all together and end up being befuddled by a cheap converter with poor daily drive-ability.

RACE ON!!!

and if you are driving normally? does it just take off like stock?

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and if you are driving normally? does it just take off like stock?

I can only speak for my Vigilante. But yes, it really does.

ok so its like stock until you get on it then its like dropping the clutch..... cool.... how much did it cost, do you mind saying?

So I guess if I redeem this coupon from Joe's Torque Converter and Tax Preparation LLC, and pick up the one for $149.95 I probably won't be happy....

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ok so its like stock until you get on it then its like dropping the clutch..... cool.... how much did it cost, do you mind saying?

The last I saw, they were about $750 new.

If he endorses it, I certainly wouldn't be afraid of it.

For all the labor involved, I'd hate to put it all together and end up being befuddled by a cheap converter with poor daily drive-ability.
RACE ON!!!

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I really can't tell much difference between my stock one and my 3000 Vigilante. That is..... until I fully depress the fun pedal!

I think part of the reason for that is the high quality converter you bought. For all the labor involved, I'd hate to put it all together and end up being befuddled by a cheap converter with poor daily drive-ability.

RACE ON!!!

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I really can't tell much difference between my stock one and my 3000 Vigilante. That is..... until I fully depress the fun pedal!

I think part of the reason for that is the high quality converter you bought. For all the labor involved, I'd hate to put it all together and end up being befuddled by a cheap converter with poor daily drive-ability.

RACE ON!!!

I have to agree with CFI-EFI, there is a big difference between a quality converter and a cheap converter. Generally the best converters are the hand/built to order converters. The cheap ones you get off the shelf will be loose as Jenna Jameson and will give you that "clutch" slip feel you are NOT looking for. This is just one of those parts where it is important to put up the $$ and buy something quality. For all the work that goes into building a proper converter, you can't expect to buy anything of any sort of quality for $150. Expect to spend $500-$1200 for a quality brand. If I could make a suggestion.... give Andre at Edge a call. He really knows his sh*t about converters and can build you one to specifically match your performance goals and engine combo. They run somewhere around $500 for a 700R4... I know this because we bought a 3000 stall for or C3 vette. The stall is actually 3000 and I wish we would have went higher. The car drives like a toyota corolla under light throttle, cruises at 2400RPM on the highway, and is a beast when you mash the "fun pedal."

DG

http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/

I don't think anyone mentioned the importance of the size of the converter also. Although 9.5in converters run hot, there are alot of benefits to having one. You want to look for a company that can sell you a 9.5-10in converter. The 12in ones are dinosaurs.

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http://www.edgeracingconverters.com/

I don't think anyone mentioned the importance of the size of the converter also. Although 9.5in converters run hot, there are alot of benefits to having one. You want to look for a company that can sell you a 9.5-10in converter. The 12in ones are dinosaurs.

DG

I agree. My 9 1/2" Vig weighs 17 lbs. less than the stocker. That is a very nice and majorly significant reduction in rotating weight! Adequate cooling takes care of any heat problems, no worries there.

Now was that a play on words or what? be "Fuddle"! LOL
Have you heard anything bad about these guys? I have read some good reports on thier stuff over at Cz28. I was planning on giving them a try.

My experience with Fuddle

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Now was that a play on words or what? be "Fuddle"! LOL
Have you heard anything bad about these guys? I have read some good reports on thier stuff over at Cz28. I was planning on giving them a try.

My experience with Fuddle

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For all the labor involved, I'd hate to put it all together and end up being befuddled by a cheap converter with poor daily drive-ability.
RACE ON!!!

Now was that a play on words or what? be "Fuddle"! LOL
Have you heard anything bad about these guys? I have read some good reports on thier stuff over at Cz28. I was planning on giving them a try.

I have received TC and I have installed it. So far it performs good.
At cruising arround it feels almost as stock and when driving hard it
performs much better.
However, stall is arround 2400-2500, not 2800 as I ordered.
That may be because I ordered TC for 500HP engine that I plan to build in
future, and I'm at ~370 now.

But if it was the best TC in the whole world, if it was "the only" TC I'd
rather keep stock one then go through dealing with Fuddle again.

Please do extensive search on LS1 forum and LS1tech forum and you'll find
that I'm not the only one who thinks that owner of "Fuddle racing" is a liar,
and I'm certainly not the only one who had bad experience with them.
Unfortunately, I found that out when I started to dig, when "Fuddle" stopped
responding to my e-mails and phone calls.

My brother had a B&M holeshot is his Nova,... 2400.... total junk. It slipped but didn't feel any different than the stocker at WOT.

Thanks for the heads-up! Between Vigilante, and Yank I think I can find what I'm looking for.

That is what I initially had planned, but then got befuddled when reading posts about a good TC at more reasonable costs.

When on CF, I was talking to PeteK about a converter. I then got a PM from fuddle, telling me that I should buy a brand name converter, not a converter from a private seller. I thought that was pretty tacky and turned me off to them no matter how good their converter might be. I ended up buying a used TCS converter. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking but the idea is that the kevlar lockup clutch is bigger than a 9.5" therefore works better and lasts longer, but the front is 9.5" so the weight is down and performance is good. It doesn't feel like stock but it is very driveable. I wouldn't want it if I were worried about gas mileage tho as mine went down with the new converter. Of course my foot got a little heavier at the same time!

When on CF, I was talking to PeteK about a converter. I then got a PM from fuddle, telling me that I should buy a brand name converter, not a converter from a private seller. I thought that was pretty tacky and turned me off to them no matter how good their converter might be. I ended up buying a used TCS converter. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking but the idea is that the kevlar lockup clutch is bigger than a 9.5" therefore works better and lasts longer, but the front is 9.5" so the weight is down and performance is good. It doesn't feel like stock but it is very driveable. I wouldn't want it if I were worried about gas mileage tho as mine went down with the new converter. Of course my foot got a little heavier at the same time!

I got my converter from Pete K and i have no complaints at all. Good converter GREAT price and Excellent service after the sale including the install. Pete you the man !!

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When on CF, I was talking to PeteK about a converter. I then got a PM from fuddle, telling me that I should buy a brand name converter, not a converter from a private seller. I thought that was pretty tacky and turned me off to them no matter how good their converter might be. I ended up buying a used TCS converter. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking but the idea is that the kevlar lockup clutch is bigger than a 9.5" therefore works better and lasts longer, but the front is 9.5" so the weight is down and performance is good. It doesn't feel like stock but it is very driveable. I wouldn't want it if I were worried about gas mileage tho as mine went down with the new converter. Of course my foot got a little heavier at the same time!

The main difference between myself and Fuddle is I never tried to sell converters. They needed to sell them to eat. I sold them based on request. They were a forum sponsor, and I was not, so I respected them.
I was lucky. I stumbed upon an anal retentave, small, family owned shop that built converters. Every time they built me a performance converter, their peckers got hard. They enjoyed doing them that much. I sold a few based on inquities, and it spread through word of mouth.
I guess what I am trying to say is there is no such thing as a PeteK converter. Only a PeteK box with someone else's converter. Everyone who bought one knew this.
If I had to buy one other than my guy's, it would be a converter from Andre at Edge.
To my knowledge, no one had been unhappy with a converter I sold them. I have sold 3 converters to guys who pulled out their Fuddle to install mine.

The main difference between myself and Fuddle is I never tried to sell converters. They needed to sell them to eat. I sold them based on request. They were a forum sponsor, and I was not, so I respected them.
I was lucky. I stumbed upon an anal retentave, small, family owned shop that built converters. Every time they built me a performance converter, their peckers got hard. They enjoyed doing them that much. I sold a few based on inquities, and it spread through word of mouth.
I guess what I am trying to say is there is no such thing as a PeteK converter. Only a PeteK box with someone else's converter. Everyone who bought one knew this.
If I had to buy one other than my guy's, it would be a converter from Andre at Edge.
To my knowledge, no one had been unhappy with a converter I sold them. I have sold 3 converters to guys who pulled out their Fuddle to install mine.

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The main difference between myself and Fuddle is I never tried to sell converters. They needed to sell them to eat. I sold them based on request. They were a forum sponsor, and I was not, so I respected them.
I was lucky. I stumbed upon an anal retentave, small, family owned shop that built converters. Every time they built me a performance converter, their peckers got hard. They enjoyed doing them that much. I sold a few based on inquities, and it spread through word of mouth.
I guess what I am trying to say is there is no such thing as a PeteK converter. Only a PeteK box with someone else's converter. Everyone who bought one knew this.
If I had to buy one other than my guy's, it would be a converter from Andre at Edge.
To my knowledge, no one had been unhappy with a converter I sold them. I have sold 3 converters to guys who pulled out their Fuddle to install mine.

Pete, my biggest mistake was to order from Fuddle and not you. At that time Fuddle had Christmas sale and their price was really good, and I was in not so good financial situation (with tranny rebuild) so I had to look out for every $. Their TC looked like quality unit for good price. I'm not 100% sure but I think full price was $590 and with sale I've got it for $490.
So I went with their TC over what you offered to save ~$50.
What a mistake to make!

Don't get me wrong. So far, converter acts really good. It's not loose when cruising and when driving hard it puts smile on my face. It would be dishonest from me to tell that TC is junk.
But "Fuddle Racing" company and it's owner are different story.

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ok so its like stock until you get on it then its like dropping the clutch..... cool.... how much did it cost, do you mind saying?

The last I saw, they were about $750 new.

they are that much

PeteK has some good ones from what I hear. Waiting for him to chime in. I think his are under $500.

Hey guys. Been following this, thanks.

What has been the time tested opinion of "Pete's" converters?

If he's at $550 and Vilgilante is at $750, is there any value in spending (or throwing away) $200?

Thanks.

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Hey guys. Been following this, thanks.

What has been the time tested opinion of "Pete's" converters?

If he's at $550 and Vilgilante is at $750, is there any value in spending (or throwing away) $200?

Thanks.

I don't punish mine too bad but JD treats his like a red headed stepchild and he is still happy. Since Pete changed jobs and location I'm not sure he can still make the connection, if he can it may take a little longer, if he can still get them built you will be happy.

If I cannot put forth 100%, I would rather not do it. It is not fair to the customer to expect them to wait.
I enjoy the hell out of the trans stuff,

but it mentioned that I should buy a brand name converter not a converter built and sold by a private individual.

When on CF, I was talking to PeteK about a converter. I then got a PM from fuddle, telling me that I should buy a brand name converter, not a converter from a private seller. I thought that was pretty tacky and turned me off to them no matter how good their converter might be. I ended up buying a used TCS converter. It has a 12" back and a 9.5" front. Kind of wierd looking but the idea is that the kevlar lockup clutch is bigger than a 9.5" therefore works better and lasts longer, but the front is 9.5" so the weight is down and performance is good. It doesn't feel like stock but it is very driveable. I wouldn't want it if I were worried about gas mileage tho as mine went down with the new converter. Of course my foot got a little heavier at the same time!

I have to laugh at that. When did "Fuddle" become a household brand name. B&M, TCI, and a few others are WIDELY recognized names. Fuddle??? Put "Acme" on the side of the box and maybe you can get Wiley Coyote to endorse it.

RACE ON!!!