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... it's the same damned thing over and over.
When I did the big engine out service last year, I replaced the opti with a capless Dynaspark. Tonight, I get nailed with an H16 error. No power, tach bouncing, would'nt rev... stalled a couple of times. Fiddled with the harness and all was ok for a bit. I think it's harness related. But it might be heat related. I am going to check all the harnesses tomorrow. See what is what in there. Keep you all posted! |
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yea...
I have had email communication with them. Very prompt, this is good. I am going to check for harness problems. IF those prove ok, then it comes out and goes in a box. Yippie. |
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you nailed it.
This is the email I just sent Dynaspark. They have been very prompt in this matter; so far, so very good. I just finished the diags... Fuel pressure, with the AFPR is set at about 40 PSI, and holding, I have Bosch replacement injectors, so they are rated a bit differently. Vacuum disconnected it is about 44 PSI. When manually rev'd, the PSI jumps up to about 43 then settles back down. I don't think the problem is with fuel delivery. I was concerned because of how the failure manifests. I checked the harness ends to the Dynaspark, and they were clean, to be sure, I hit them with Dielectric grease. The harness into the Dynaspark is sealed. I got the engine up to op temp and was able to replicate the failure. At about 4000 RPM, when accelerating, all hell breaks loose. The bottom falls out and the engine loses all power. It catches up and is running ok, as long as you keep it below 4000 RPM. After a while, the failure starts to creep downward the rev range, to the point where last night, getting past 3000 RPM was a trick. I can't prove the code... last night I forgot to reset them, so I don't know if the code I got today was new or last nights. But since it presented on 2 separate occasions... I am expecting it to be a reoccuring theme. As the engine cools, I will start disassembly. I hope to have the unit in the mail to you tomorrow. Not much more to add, really. |
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Good luck, Andy, and knuckle mojo!
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makes you want to put quick disconnects on the waterpump
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Good luck.
You're putting dielectric on the housings and not the contacts,correct? |
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| bogus | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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ok... maybe I am wrong about the usage of dielectric? I put it on the ends of the female connectors.
Regardless, I had a problem and the dielectric neither fixed it or made it worse... |
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| BillH | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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Dielectric grease inhibits the flow of electricity. That's why you use it on sparkplug boots, to prevent the spark jumpimg. It also helps to keep air/water from migrating into the housing/boot.
In most circuits, the electricity would blow thru it but it's mot made for contacts. Most of the low amp (less than 0.5 amp have gold contacts to eliminate any corrosion. I used to sell contact lube, it's made for the contacts and is electrically conductive. But, it's used more on tin (above 1 amp) than gold. Doesn't matter much with your current problem though. |
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Only an idiot would put that stuff on the contacts. Looks like I'm an idiot again.
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What's a readily available product for electrical connections?
Dissimilar metals, such as copper on tin will corrode from moisture in the air. I guess I thought the point of that dielectric grease was to prevent corrosion which causes bad connections, arcs and more corrosion and pitting. But is the point to just to keep moisture from getting into the connection, not coat the metal itself? I'm thinking about the wiring harnesses on the car that have old oem goo in them. |
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That's why I was using the grease when I changed a bulb or set a connection. Some of them had the dried up goo.I thought I was protecting the connection.
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yea, now I am really confused...
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Noalox or similar works well to keep contacts from corroding.
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Well, there's hundreds of published papers on this, I've read a bunch done by the PHDs at AMP Incorporated cause I had to.
Some back & forth discussion here: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001202.html My only point I guess would be, if you pull the ECM connector on a LT1, you'll notice that there's no lube at all on the contacts. (Gold) You may see some lube or dielectric grease on housings where there are tin plated contacts. This is to inhibit fretting corrosion and to reduce water/air intrusion. |
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Some goo may be OEM, some not. You're correct on the dissimilar metals. Most connections will be with the same material, tin to tin, copper to copper, gold to gold. Anyway, I know Harley Davidson sells a contact lube, their shops may carry it. The AMP stuff will be hard to find since we only sold to OEM. But, your best bet may be the off-road guys. And you can find it on the web. |
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hm... learn a lot every day.
What about that red spray stuff used on battery terminals? |
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Prevents oxygen/water from getting on the terminals. I've used vasoline forever to do the same thing. Never have had any corrosion. |
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You all won't believe this.
The Dynaspark, without cap/rotor is a good 1/2" THINNER than the regular opti with. This means, I don't have to remove the crank pulley to do the removal!! Install should be just as easy. All sorts of room left over! Small victory! 2 hours saved! yay! |
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No kidding! It was a serious epiphany, to say the least!
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interesting thoughts on contact lube. I've been using DeOxit5, it cleans and leaves a slight residue (supposedly for that purpose. One of the comp./amp repair guys here turned me on to it a few years back. I have used a smear of dilectric on some tight new weather packs, and contacts that are very tight. Looks I need to get something else for that.
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DeOx is good stuff Mick. Yea, personally, I'd find something other than dielectric for the weather packs, even the DeOxit. Since all Weather Packs have tin contacts, you do see a higher normal force on the contacts than you would with gold. They're designed that way because of the tin, you want a fairly high contact force initially because mating and unmating will reduce that force (to something within design spec). One of the reasons they're designed this way is to reduce the possibility of fretting corrosion (corrosion caused by vibration) which is a slight problem with tin contacts that are in a low amp circuit ( 0 to a half amp). If you are running above 1 amp, the juice will blow thru that corrosion. Weather Packs are designed for 0-20 amps, and the way they're designed, sealed,etc. makes the pretty bullet proof. DeOxit or contact lube is fine to use on these contacts, they can be a tad tight. The only place I'd consider using dielectric would be on the seals and then only in a wet environment. |
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hey Bill..
the below wiring is what I'm refering too...Some of wp. connectors I used are rated at 30 and couple 40's (depending on app.and external only)inside car oem style non-wp. rated at 20-30 (depending on app.), all txl wire, power dist. blocks (only one power/ground from battery to operate all add-ons), painless 7 circuit, all silver soldered connects etc.etc.(terminal supply is my friend lol). my wiring junk, glove box: [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/iqwyma.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/e5pro2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2e0lhtx.jpg[/IMG] consol: [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/dm67tc.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/1zyiqlc.jpg[/IMG] bottle: [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/vrv8dt.jpg[/IMG] |
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Wow, that looks really nice Mick, especially the finished console.
The connectors in the first pic aren't w/p, they might me micro pack or another brand from Delphi. Since they are spade terminals, thay could have a higher current rating. Still looks good though. One of thr few things I miss about working is that I had unlimited free samples (I gave away over $500 a month to customers). Many of those samples would find their way into my tool box.  But I'm starting to run a bit low, I may actually have to buy something.  |
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Every time I see these photos of Mick's Nitrous set-up and the console switches it makes me want to do this too!! That is just too awesome!
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I am not worthy. I am not worthy.
 UPDATE: Not much to report, the Dynaspark is out and on its way to Dynaspark for service. I mailed it Thursday. I will be there Monday; USPS Flat Rate Box. It is the most logical starting point. After that, I hesitate to guess. I guess there is a chance that there is a problem with my "new" ECM, but I would hope not. More accurately, I pray not! 99% of the time that an H16 occurs, it is opti related. |
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Yikes Mick, What is all that stuff? I'm new enough I haven't ever seen pics of your car. Nice!
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I don't want anyone think I am trying to jack this thread. Andy my apologies.
Thanks for the words on the wiring junk. When having to "tap" in many additional lines I felt the stock wiring and being shared with other inputs was not a good idea. The goal was to create a separate system to operate all add-ons (n20, line lock, elec. w.p. etc.) using a 7 additional circuits having separate power and switched power source. This also allows for only ground and power wire being attached to the battery. The glove box is built to be a component that unplugs and allows servicing including each set of separate wiring harnesses being used. Bill, inside the car I thought that the standard unsealed Metri-packs were good enough (59, and 280 series unsealed)rated at 0-20 and 0-30 respectively. The sealed Metri-Packs used under the hood and other outside locations are: 480 series (2 cavities 0-42 amp rated), 280 series (4-5 connect, 0-30 amps ) and 630 series (3 connector 0-46 amp). Wish I knew you when you were giving this stuff away .. |
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 I wish I would have sent myself 10x the amount of samples that I did.  Yea, the unsealed inside will be fine. Obviously, you're rating the connectors to the circuits. The only think I can think of is if you have 2 harnesses close to each other that have the same number of circuits (3 pin housing beside a 3 pin housing) is to use housings that have a different key so that they can't be plugged into each other. May be a non-issue. And on the single wires with ring terminals to terminal blocks. If you're not doing it, the rings can be found in a double crimp style, one crimp is for the wire and one crimp is for the insulation. This type reduces the possibility of failure from vibration at the wire crimp compared to a single crimp connector. It's all I'll use on a racecar. But shrink wrap is the second choice. Sidenote: I engineered in and sold over one billion of those ring terminals in 20 years.  |
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This may have wondered off topic a bit, but it is a good path to take.
I never knew... Ok, update. Got a VM from Bob@Dynaspark. They flat out ROCK. They got it, tested it, rebuilt it, and it is on its way back - NO CHARGE. Apparently, the reluctor disc was bent, and it slowly ate away at the optical pickup. I am seriously impressed. The honesty on the real problem is nice. It makes all sorts of sense, too. The speed of response is excellent. It is so nice to get good customer service these days. The part should be here next week. The unit worked great until last week, so I still feel it is a good piece. I definitely recommend it, now knowing how their CS responds. |
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Wow, it's not often that you hear stories of awesome customer service, it's usually stories of aweful service.
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Yea, I am really impressed and pleased.
These things happen, no question. I wish they didn't but they do. That disc could have been bent during install, careless handling by the manufacturer; who knows. All I do know is that they have fixed it and its on its way back. I can't wait to test it. |
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The Dynaspark arrived today. I won't be able to install it until Thursday... it's too dark now, and th weather tomorrow is scheduled to SUCK. So Thursday wins.
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Ok... all assembled... no leaks! Runs well! Did new O2 sensors at the same time!
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| bogus | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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An update! I drove it yesterday. It ran great.
The only problem is a marginally sticky throttle... but it has sat for 2 weeks during a heavy rainy period. I suspect the IAC is a little icky. As I drove it, the idle started to correct itself. |
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| TommyT-Bone | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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Glad to hear your up and running.
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| BrianCunningham | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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Great way to break in the New Year
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| bogus | Re: If it ain't one thing... | ||
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I need to go through the IAC reset process... I disconnected it at one point. So, need to reset.
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