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jsup	Front Suspension parts,	#1
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	I am going to Blowerworks tomorrow to work on my tune... Greg has custom made front end components for a C4. He has five sets left, he used to sell them for $2K a set. I haven't seen them, but I will take pics of them tomorrow. From what I understand it includes control arms, bushings, spindles, etc... I have to upgrade brakes anyway I was thinking if enough people want them we can offer him something on the entire five sets, and get them cheap. They are just sitting on his shelf Central Coaster's thread about his rear suspension made me think of this for the front.
	Posted on: 2008/10/4 23:57
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bogus	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#2
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	learn more, take pics. I am curious.
	Posted on: 2008/10/4 23:59
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#3
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: learn more, take pics. I am curious. That's what I wanted to hear, if enough people were interested in taking them, I'd take them off the shelf and get pics. If no one cares, I won't bother to get more info. I was telling Greg about my new brakes, he mentioned he had a five sets and they really help front end handling. "Especially over 120MPH".... I was thinking of CC and other guys who autocross. Will check tomorrow.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 0:02
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bogus	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#4
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	first off, CC's car has got to be able to go over 120... and KPH does not count. Sounds neat, tho.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 0:54
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#5
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Well, I was over at Gregs today... The parts were up on a shelf buried. The few parts I saw, were really nice. I'm thinking if we get 5 people we can get these sets for $500-750 each based on my conversations with him. This is full FRONT AND REAR suspension. The parts are either chrome or anodized blue. NICE STUFF The only thing not included with the kits are the rod ends, however, part numbers are provided for that. I have hard copy brochures he gave me, but no pics for now. The stuff was buried on the shelves, and have been sitting there for 10 years, unsold. Greg may have a lot of C4 gold buried there....still looking.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 22:13
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#6
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	BTW< greg is digging them out and I'll get pics soon. Upper and lower control arms, bushings, all the hardware, and four rear suspension links as far as I can tell.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 22:34
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Matatk	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#7
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Wow, sounds like a good deal for a group purchase. Unfortunately it's a little more than what I need. I'd like to see some pics, though. Matthew
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#8
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Cool, but first you need to find enough people interested. Tom wasn't even able to sell more than a few rear kits on here.
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#9
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Cool, but first you need to find enough people interested. Tom wasn't even able to sell more than a few rear kits on here. I know, it's five sets....and it's a great deal, if I can get him to $500, I'll take one, and I don't even want one. I hope Bogus will take one, that leaves three. Not really a group purchase as there are no more, this is it. They were selling for $2000 when he was selling them..... And, it's front and rear. How much were tom's setup for rear only?
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 23:01
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PeteK	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#10
Moderator Nanticoke, Pa 1311 Posts Member since: 2006/7/3 0:00	If they will work on an 87, I may be interested.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 23:31
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BrianCunningham	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#11
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Depending on what they look like. I'll let you know. I'll looking at fabbing adjustale uppers.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 23:54
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#12
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	COOL!! I'll tell him we're almost there. Brain, what do you mean adjustable uppers? Pete, they are all C4... Hey pete, call me when you have a chance..you should have my number. Question on the converter.
	Posted on: 2008/10/5 23:59
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#13
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Upper control arms.
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#14
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	I am pretty sure that's what they are. Give me a week to get into them. They are five shelves high under a pile of crap.
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 0:26
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PeteK	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#15
Moderator Nanticoke, Pa 1311 Posts Member since: 2006/7/3 0:00	John, I checked my e-mails and voice mails, and I do not have your number. I must have deleted it accidentaly. Shoot it to my blackberry: peter.kane@nora.com I will try to give you a ring after I get to Tampa tomorrow. Thanks
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 0:44
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astock165	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#16
Registered Vendor Manchester NH 199 Posts Member since: 2005/11/18 0:00	Quote: jsup wrote: How much were tom's setup for rear only? They're currently priced @ $350 for the trailing arms & $225 for the camber rods (~ $475 total). I will be offering a toe rod kit shortly which should be about $350 as well.
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 1:18
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#17
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: astock165 wrote: Quote: jsup wrote: How much were tom's setup for rear only? They're currently priced @ $350 for the trailing arms & $225 for the camber rods (~ $475 total). I will be offering a toe rod kit shortly which should be about $350 as well. Hey, thanks, I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I just found 5 sets of NOS I'm trying to get cheap. Just wanted to tell you....there's ONLY 5 sets. So it's not a long term thing
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 1:21
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MK 82	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#18
Senior Guru Palm Beach Gardens, FL 439 Posts Member since: 2007/12/28 0:00	I am interested. Awaiting pics!
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 13:46
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#19
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: DropTopCE wrote: I am interested. Awaiting pics! Calling him now
	Posted on: 2008/10/6 14:43
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#20
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	What year are they for? The suspension changed in 88. Looks cool, I know a bunch of hispanic guys that love that stuff. Bling bling. -- Joe
	Posted on: 2008/10/7 12:03
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#21
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Quote: anesthes wrote: Looks cool, I know a bunch of hispanic guys that love that stuff. Bling bling. Do you have a point?
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#22
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Hey, I have the brochure page that I will scan in when I get home. The kit include 8 links for the rear suspension. The four that go parallel to the leaf spring and the four dog bone pieces. The front has a couple pieces, I have to look more closely at to see where they fit. The bars for the back are blue anodized. I will scan in the pick I have when I get home and post it. The kits will fit ALL year C4s. I am working late tonight, going to dinner with customers. Won't be home till after 11 so don't expect to see them till tomorrow evening.
	Posted on: 2008/10/7 17:16
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#23
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Quote: anesthes wrote: Looks cool, I know a bunch of hispanic guys that love that stuff. Bling bling. Do you have a point? Yeah, before you all jump on the bandwagon of "it's pretty so it must work great" what are the proven benefits? -- Joe
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#24
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: jsup wrote: The kits will fit ALL year C4s. Oh? So no front control arms are included? I was under the impression the attachment points changed in 1988 (in the front). -- Joe
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#25
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: anesthes wrote: Quote: jsup wrote: The kits will fit ALL year C4s. Oh? So no front control arms are included? I was under the impression the attachment points changed in 1988 (in the front). -- Joe No control arms. There's a couple front end pieces, I have to look at the paperwork and see where they go. I hope to post tonight depending on how much I drink or not or tomorrow.
	Posted on: 2008/10/7 18:53
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#26
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Quote: anesthes wrote: Yeah, before you all jump on the bandwagon of "it's pretty so it must work great" what are the proven benefits? -- Joe Damn, I guess we won't be seeing one of those "Approved by Joe" stickers on these parts. Nobody here is obligated to prove anything to you. Personally, I like to reserve judgement until I see the parts.
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#27
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Hey guys, the number is $500 a set. He has 10 left, not five. Details to come.
	Posted on: 2008/10/7 19:54
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BrianCunningham	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#28
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	This stuff isn't a latest fad. Racers have been doing these modifications for years. I'll wait and see, but if there's not a-arms, then it sounds like I'm already set with the items I bought from astock.
	Posted on: 2008/10/7 21:25
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#29
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Joe doesn't need these fancy parts, he builds his suspension from rusty bicycle frames and carves his engine blocks from tree stumps.
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#30
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Damn, I guess we won't be seeing one of those "Approved by Joe" stickers on these parts. Nobody here is obligated to prove anything to you. Personally, I like to reserve judgement until I see the parts. I don't think my approval has anything to do with it. I asked what the proven benefits are. Jsup jumped up with ideas of a group purchase and all that, so I ask "whats it do for you?" And I've used stuff like this before on other cars, at one time I had pretty much the whole Spohn line on my car and a tubular addjustable ladder bar. LCA relocation/reangle brackets, and all that. I got a pretty good idea what was "proven" to help traction and what "just looked pretty". So, for folks who have used this stuff on C4's, what's the proven benefits? -- Joe
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#31
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: This stuff isn't a latest fad. Racers have been doing these modifications for years. I'll wait and see, but if there's not a-arms, then it sounds like I'm already set with the items I bought from astock. What components make what changes? On Fbody cars, the two biggest things were the lower control arm angle - changing that to fix wheel hop, and an adjustable ladder bar to help with traction. A lot of the tubular stuff was more for show. At one point I ran a tubular front k-frame, tubular control arms,heim joints/bumpsteer, etc. While helpful for weight reduction, it did nothing for handling. So seeing that my C4 already handles 10 times better than any fbody I owned, but has less traction than any fbody I ever owned while still having much larger tires (11" vs 8") can someone tell me what these parts will do? -- Joe
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BrianCunningham	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#32
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	1st I need to see photos of the parts, but if they're like the ones that astock is selling, then they eliminate all the binding on the rear suspension.
	Posted on: 2008/10/8 14:46
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#33
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: 1st I need to see photos of the parts, but if they're like the ones that astock is selling, then they eliminate all the binding on the rear suspension. I see. So they won't help with wheel hop or traction.. too bad. You guys that autocross, does eliminating binding help with the tight turns or is it more of a feel good thing? -- Joe
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#34
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: 1st I need to see photos of the parts, but if they're like the ones that astock is selling, then they eliminate all the binding on the rear suspension. I will try to get them up tonight. I pulled the page out of the catalog, just need to scan them in and put them up. I was out late last night with customers. There's 8 links in total, and some front end parts.
	Posted on: 2008/10/8 18:49
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CentralCoaster	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#35
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Quote: anesthes wrote: You guys that autocross, does eliminating binding help with the tight turns or is it more of a feel good thing? -- Joe It will help keep the rear end planted over uneven surfaces. Tight or not doesn't matter, as any driver worth his salt will be near the edge of traction on every turn, and probably clipping the curbing. I'll post some feedback when I head back to the track. It's finally cooling off out here so I'll sign up pretty soon. As for the front, the only major problems I see are the sway bar ends, and the spring contact point on the control arms. And as I understand wheel hop, it's a result of being oversprung or underdamped. A binding suspension is basically oversprung on small movements no matter how soft your spring is, so rod ends would probably help somewhat there, and with weight transfer, but if I was only drag racing, I'd spend my money elsewhere. Actually I wouldn't be running IRS to begin with.
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cuisinartvette	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#36
Elite Guru 1782 Posts Member since: 2005/9/16 0:00	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Joe doesn't need these fancy parts, he builds his suspension from rusty bicycle frames and carves his engine blocks from tree stumps. Funny thing is he probably could and they would work too. lol
	Posted on: 2008/10/8 22:18
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#37
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: cuisinartvette wrote: Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Joe doesn't need these fancy parts, he builds his suspension from rusty bicycle frames and carves his engine blocks from tree stumps. Funny thing is he probably could and they would work too. lol Some of the ugliest things I've built have worked the best. -- Joe
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anesthes	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#38
Master Guru Boston, MA 646 Posts Member since: 2008/6/18 18:02	Quote: CentralCoaster wrote: Actually I wouldn't be running IRS to begin with. I realize that, and if I was building a straight up drag car I'd go with a different platform. But I think it should still have reasonable traction.. -- Joe
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BrianCunningham	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#39
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Quote: anesthes wrote: Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: 1st I need to see photos of the parts, but if they're like the ones that astock is selling, then they eliminate all the binding on the rear suspension. I see. So they won't help with wheel hop or traction.. too bad. You guys that autocross, does eliminating binding help with the tight turns or is it more of a feel good thing? -- Joe They eliminate sticktion, yes that's an actual word, which means you'll get better weight transfer too. Which is why drag cars do it. So, they make the suspension behave better all around, including launching.
	Posted on: 2008/10/9 17:48
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bogus	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#40
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	??? Attach file: pics.gif (41.63 KB)
	Posted on: 2008/10/10 2:07
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#41
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Hey bogus do you have a fax number that I can send the page to I spent the whole dam night trying to get my scanner to work over my network. The drivers do not support network attached scanning on VISTA. It's an HP 5180C.... Real PIA I can fax it an maybe you can scan it in for me?
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Matatk	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#42
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Take a digital photo of it and post it. I've done that before. Or if Bogus can't do it send it to me. Matthew
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#43
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	Good idea, I spend all my brain power at work... both watts. I'll do that tonight
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bogus	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#44
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	bastet has a new fax number... I will have her get up with you.
	Posted on: 2008/10/10 17:58
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Josh	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#45
Guru Raleigh, NC 666 Posts Member since: 2008/1/1 0:00	I still don't understand what all is being offered. I've read 'some front end pieces' and then is quite a bit of mention on the Banski rear end stuff, but no mention of whether or not Greg's stuff has any rear end components other than, "rear bars." I'd like to know exactly what all is coming in the package before trying to make a decision.
	Posted on: 2008/10/11 15:29
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jsup	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#46
Elite Guru 1778 Posts Member since: 2005/9/9 0:00	I'm working on the car today, I'll get it up tonight.
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Jeffvette	Re: Front Suspension parts,	#47
Elite Guru Not on CF 1297 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	yawn
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