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Day to day use. Not talking occasional track days or someone who runs the track four times a month. I'm talking the sweet spot.
90% of the time your engine operates at what RPM? I hit new poll but I'm an idiot, maybe one of the mods can fix it. 3000 and less 3500 and less 4000 and less 4500 and less 5000 and less Over 5000 |
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Do you run it to 5400 off of every light? How often do you race? Is it more race car or street car? |
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Depends on what heads/cam package I'm running.
Right now I spin my motor to 4200rpm and shift. But you can bet your ass if my hp peaks at 6000rpm, I'm gonna spin my motor to 6200. 90% of the time my engine operates at 1500 rpm and 1/4 throttle and makes 20 hp. Perhaps I should optimize my motor for that. So then what heads do you suggest jsup? These circa 1985 cast iron anvils with 150cfm are flowing way too much for my application. |
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Without a doubt, street car. Most would have zero clue I ever raced the car, based on it's sound and appearance. |
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oh no.. you are going to be 1500 all the time. promise.. especially if you have a stall converter and/or gears.
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OK that was funny. If the power/torque curve is the same for any of the heads you like up to the max RPM you ever want to run, it will make absolutely no difference. In my example I have roller lifters, which most of us do, so the safe physical limitation is 6500. The practical limitation is probably an occasional 6000. Is that a good answer? |
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CentralCoaster | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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Yes, but you're missing something.
Let's face it, anyone who just drives on the street and doesn't race should be in a Camry. It does everything better on the street than a Corvette, except break the speed limit. We put hp in these cars because we can, whether or not we use it. It's no different than the waxer driving his F250 with 36" super swampers on the freeway next to you. Even at the track, most people have no good reason for modding their car, as they never learned to drive it right to begin with in stock form. Anyhow have you made any plans on heading to the track? I would suggest a shift light to make sure you're using everything you paid for. |
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With the stock rod bolts I shift right @ 6,000
Of course the stock tach is kinda useless. |
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cuisinartvette | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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Run it to 6500-7k when I think I can get away with it.
If the power is there hell yeah Im going to use all of it, thts what its there for. Now if youre a waxer who likes to show off a sheet, brag then thats something else. Strange but guys do it. Know a few with 600 rwhp dyno sheets that have never been down a track in their life and never will get the thrill of putting it all down through all the gears. I dont get that but whatever.. Would you stick a supermodel in the closet and not wear her out like a cheap tool to "save it for the next guy"? I think not. |
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Whatever you say Mr. Garage Queen!
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Hey they didnt ask when. Its a garage janitor, it keeps the floor from getting dusty. When are you going to buy this thing and wreck it?
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BrianCunningham | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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Got to love the rev limiter on the LT5
It was actually set for the accessories and not the engine! |
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This is not that unusual - early 1970s LT1s could not be had with air conditioning because of fears that the engine would rev too high for the AC belt/compressor. Chevrolet ended up making LT1s available with air by changing the tachometer red-line (but nothing else) and crossing their fingers... |
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j3studio | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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By the way, speaking as an L98 owner: there should be a separate/lower set of choices for us...
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I drive like one of these anymore, most times...
...unless I'm passin' one, of course. |
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Compression was also lowered, and by that time, the LT-1 had dropped significantly in power as well. |
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I'm gunna give that a try in my impala.... Ill let you guys know how it works out. DG |
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Actually, I did that once already this year.... Remember the Turbo'd Mustang that wasn't mine that I did $5000 worth of damage too. I believe I may have even posted pictures of that mess. Maybe ill save this one for the new year. DG |
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True, but only 1972 LT-1s with air conditioning had the 5600 RPM tachometer - non-AC 1972 LT-1s retained the 6500 RPM tachometer... |
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Gary where did you get the PS setup, did it come with brackets and pulleys?
Does that work with the short water pump? |
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All of the drive systems are from Jones Racing Products, they can make anything work, SM or BB or LS (http://www.JonesRacingProducts.com)
This engine revs to 8500-9000 easily and normally I shift at 7500. The lack of revs is what I really disliked about my L98, which was essentially dead at 4500. I am amazed how strong the LS7 is all the way up to 7000. That is screaming for a 427! |
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cuisinartvette | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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Thanks Ill look into it. Looks underdriven, ok for a weekend street/strip deal?
your coolant bypass lines, did you run yours to the back of the intake or the sides of the heads themselves? |
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ghoffman | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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The heads themselves. The engine has had many changes since then.
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dan0617 | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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Jsup, been spinnin my stock bottom end to 6200 with no problems (other than blowby which is not rpm related). It has the stock roller lifters in it still. I think flashing to 6500 then shifting to the next gear, like while accelerating, it is fine at that or maybe even higher if the springs are good to keep valve float from happening. Now if I were to sustain those rpms for any amount of time I feel sure it wouldn't last long.
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Hmmmm 269 horsepower Camray with a 6 speed automatic It would fare pretty well against an early stock C4?? |
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pappyfreebird | Re: How high do you typically spin your motor? | ||
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ok so how much rs will my ol stock 84 L83 take??? i dont like walkin er spendin money???? would that ol girl beifit fum sum rollers er nawt werth the effort? sum cheap n easy (like me me)idears on mo power be preciated...then again i wet meself evo time i git ta drive it anyways so mo power shouldnt matter
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You really need to put just a little more time into your typing. I don't bust on people for misspellings or bad english but geesh, I know you can do a little better. Do you have the crossfire intake still? If so, porting it can help alot. Headers and dual exhaust can free it up. I personally wouldn't do the roller rockers till after the intake porting and exhaust work. I'd think you could rev it to 6000 occasionally without harm, if that is what you meant by "how much rs". A higher stall converter can really wake it up too, and if it has 2.59 gears swap them out for 3.07's or 3.54's. |
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An 84 L83 is just not that great to begin with (I am sorry!). I mean, 205 HP is just so easy to do better than today with even 4 bangers these days. I hate to be rude, but, wow, I thought my L-98 at 245 HP was anemic. Just get a new motor or leave it stone stock.
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According to my last couple of datalogs
Shifts are between 6200 and 6475 Cruise RPM 2500 -2600 ( cruising speed is 80ish) I believe I have some TC locking issues. Mike |
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I know at least one crossfire owner running 12's
Porting it is one option http://www.technovelocity.com/chevyha ... t_polish/port_polish.html the X-ram is another. http://www.x-ram.com/crossfireinfo.html You can even supercharge it |
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Yea, Brian, that looks just like an L83! With enough boost, a Briggs and Stratton will run 12's. From the above link:
"All the Crossfire Corvettes tested with horsepower ranging between 118 to 146, were totally stock. A few needed a good tune-up with 118. Most averaged between 122 to 128. A few with free flow exhaust, under drive pulleys, 160 degree thermostat & fan switch, K&N air filter, new or rebuilt distributor with 9 mm wires and AC platinum plugs, a stage 2 performance chip and Mobil 1, 5W30 oil produced a range of 133 to 146. One Crossfire which had been extrusion honed was also tested. It produced 166 hp with the same modifications as the above 146 hp Corvettes. It basically showed a 20 hp increase over a well tuned engine. The X-Ram with the addition of a 85 Tuned Port Fuel Pump was also tested on each one of these cars and produced and average of 171 to 217 horsepower. That was an increase of 53 to 71 horsepower at the rear wheels." So, I guess if you want to spend some money, you can help it, but geeze, 118 HP stock? I remember dyno'ing a Firebird with a 305 and a 2 barrel carb and it was rated 205 HP and made 89 RWHP. Here is a brand new GM Performance Parts 350ci / 290hp engine for $1950: http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/crate ... ci290hpEconomyEngine.aspx FInd a used Mini ram or similar and have 2x the L83 HP and probably better gas milage. |
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If the bottom end of his engine is healthy it does not need rebuilt to make more power. The top end and the exhaust is the restriction. He could bolt on good aftermarket heads, decent cam, HSR or miniram intake, headers and dual exhaust, bunch of other small supporting mods, and make 325 or so rwhp with that stock bottom end. Just depends on how much he wants to spend and what he wants to do with the car. Or he could do the right heads/cam to work with a severely ported crossfire intake and have horsepower likely in the mid 200's at the wheels with alot more torque than that, and have less money in it. And who doesn't like the underhood look of a crossfire??? It all depends on money to be spent and uses of the car.
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Gary don't bring your hatred of early C4's over here.
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I like C4's! I just think the L83 is not worth putting any money into. I mean 120 RWHP is not much by today's standards, and certainly not up to the pre or post Corvette engines.
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Which link is that from? A bunch of unmaintained 305 firebirds?
My '85 will probably barely put down 200 hp. |
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Check out what can be done:
http://www.crossfireinjection.net/DCS%20Gallery.html Quote: DCS - Jim's 84 CFI Corvette with a 383 Stroker under his hood. Ran 12.95 ET with no power adders, proving that CFI cars can run well . Nicknamed "EVILC4". This will be coming out soon if it's not enough Quote:
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hey jeffvet!!! loud n clear!!!kiss my fuggan azz!!!
as fer you big dan hey yer entitled ta yer opinion,,n i preciate ya givun me yer input.. im nawt lookin fer no killer speed demon (i woulda looked fer more beggining hp..jus sum cheap n easy tips (like the headers)them kind of idears thanks n yes far as i know this 84 is stock ..4+3 too ps n thanks pete thats cool of ya,,now those two(jvet n weak willy) wont have anythin ta whine about,,but i rekon theyll sure find somthin soon enuff..thank fer correctin thou |
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have fun lil boy..i try nawt ta play mean n asty on a keyboard
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