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I saw it earlier, just never posted it. Hopefully they resolve their issues.

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I'm fix'n to lay a lawsuit on them for causing harm to my Mom!! or go down there and blacken a few eyes!!

She bought a new Avalon three weeks ago against my wishes (but its her decision). She bought a top of the line car with full trim. I think it cost her around $38k. She traded in an older Avalon and has been a loyal Toyota customer for years. She took about $25k of her savings to bring the payment down enough for them to make the payment. the car has less than 500 miles on it and she is scared to drive it now. She has high blood pressure as it is and her nerves are shot anyhow. This additional worry had her upset and my dad wound up taking her to the hospital on Wednesday night because her blood pressure was so high ( a result of her worrying about her car purchase.)

I know this sounds silly, but it is an example of how some people react to this kind of news. I have told her to relax and tried to explain the problem and issues with the accelerator and that her car would probably never see the issue surface. I think she is worried about potential resale of the car, but then I don't expect her to sell the car anytime soon.

I hope those guys at Toyota come up with a decent fix for these cars and soon.
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Sorry to hear about your mom, Don! I'm sure she'll get better soon, but she'll never want to drive that car again. It's cursed in her eyes. It's an unfortunate thing, but Toyota is gonna take a big hit from this.

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I heard on the news this morning that they have engineered the fix. A stock advisor was praising them for shutting down the assembly line and halting production till it could be corrected. According to the advisor, they did this even though it was not required and are taking swift action to correct the problems and acting very responsively. Maybe he had stock in the company. Was your Moms car an effected model?
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Toyota has a lot of earned good will. They're spending some of it here, but I think they'll be ok. On the good side, they did halt production and sales, something I don't think we've seen before from an automaker.

Oh, and drive by wire sucks.
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d@mn, sorry to hear that grizzly

BTW the only reason they stopped selling them is because the DOT made them.
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Was your Moms car an effected model?


To the best of my knowledge. I've tried digging into exactly what cars in a model group might be included and right now every vehicle in the six models identified are likely candidates for the issue with the gas pedal.

I think the whole "floor mat" recall was an early attempt at covering up the "gas pedal sticking" issue. We will see what comes of this.

Autoweek states that Toyota has known about this problem since 2005 when it was an issue with some Tundra models.
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Here is a list of recent recalls issued by Toyota Motor Corp. and the vehicles involved.

Sept. 30, 2009: Toyota warns owners to remove floor mats from their vehicles because of the potential for them to trap the accelerator, causing sudden acceleration.

Oct. 5: Toyota recalls 3.8 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles in the U.S. because floor mats could trap the gas pedal. It's Toyota's largest U.S. recall. Models involved are the 2007-2010 Camry, 2005-2010 Avalon, 2004-2009 Prius, 2005-2010 Tacoma, 2007-2010 Tundra, 2007-2010 Lexus ES350 and 2006-2010 IS250/IS350.

Nov. 24: Toyota recalls 110,000 Tundra trucks from the 2000-2003 model years because excessive corrosion could cause the spare tire to come loose.

Nov. 25: Toyota announces a plan to fix the floor-mat problem by shortening the accelerators so they won't get stuck against the floor mat. It also expands the number of vehicles involved to a total of 4.2 million.

Jan. 21, 2010: Toyota recalls 2.3 million Toyota vehicles in the U.S. because the accelerator pedal can stick, causing unintended acceleration. It is not related to the floor mat recall, although about 1.7 million of the vehicles are also involved in both recalls. Models involved are the 2009-2010 RAV4, 2009-2010 Corolla, 2009-2010 Matrix, 2005-2010 Avalon, certain 2007-2010 Camrys, 2010 Highlander, 2007-2010 Tundra, 2008-2010 Sequoia.

Jan. 26: Toyota temporarily suspends U.S. sales of the eight models whose accelerator pedals can stick.

Jan. 27: Toyota adds 1.09 million models to the floor mat recall. Models involved are the 2008-2010 Highlander, 2009-2010 Corolla, 2009-2010 Venza, 2009-2010 Matrix, 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibe.

Jan. 28: Toyota recalls 75,500 vehicles in China for the same acceleration pedal problem as the U.S. recall. Toyota RAV-4 SUVs made between March 2009 and January 2010 are affected.

Jan. 28: Toyota says it will recall vehicles in Europe because of the accelerator problem, but says it doesn't yet know how many.

Jan. 28: Ford Motor Co. halts production of the Transit Classic van in China because it contains gas pedals built by the same company that built Toyota's. Ford began production of the Transit Classic in December and had built 1,600 vans.


the Pontiac Vibe may catch some owners off guard
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They had a big article in the new Car and Driver about what to do if the gas peddle gets stuck. First was overide it with your brakes and they did a lot of testing to see if that would work, it did. Then they said you could put the car in nuetral or push in the clutch. (you think?) Lastly you could turn off the car but there goes the steering and power brakes. Or you could run into trees and stuff like Tiger did.
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They had a big article in the new Car and Driver about what to do if the gas peddle gets stuck. First was overide it with your brakes and they did a lot of testing to see if that would work, it did. Then they said you could put the car in nuetral or push in the clutch. (you think?) Lastly you could turn off the car but there goes the steering and power brakes. Or you could run into trees and stuff like Tiger did.


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I have the 09 Highlander and the vin number starts with "J" so according to Toyota it is not affected. Always been a Toyota fan. I will continue to buy them. They are daily drivers, keeps the mileage off the vette.
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Reminds me of the Ford/Firestone debacle. :fall:
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Or the Audi sudden acceleration fiasco in the 80's that about did them in.
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The C&D article tested a Camry V6 against an Infinity G37 (plus a Roush Mustang, but that isn't really relevant!).

The interesting fact: There are no obvious international standards on how Drive By Wire systems safe.

The Nissan system has the following specs and safety features:

1. If you hit the brakes, the throttle closes.
2. If you hit the start button for 2.5 seconds the engine shuts off.
3. If you hit the start button several times in quick succession, the engine shuts off.

The Toyota has the following specs and safety features:

1. If you hit the start button for 3.5 seconds the engine will shut off.

Yup. That's it.

I suspect the fix will be to add, at the very least, the throttle shut off.

I think the next move will be by NHTSA to request the DOT to mandate better standards.
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i don't see the need for drive by wire. seems like you are adding too much to a simple system. how are the chances of voltage spikes and/or crossing of wires not a potential hazard. and i would rather lose power steering and be slowing down then WOT into another car/truck/bus/child/brickwall
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I agree. I don't see the purpose for it.
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me either


kind of has me worried about the truck

and that system is all linked in with the active handling.
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Reminds me of the Ford/Firestone debacle. :fall:


Or the Ford crown vics that the cruise control was going haywire on and sending them into walls. Similar to what the Toyotas are doing, but not as wide spread.
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How's this for irony?


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A man who attempted to return his recalled Toyota pickup truck to All Star Toyota on Airline Highway on Saturday crashed into the dealership building when his allegedly faulty accelerator stuck, the Baton Rouge Police Department reported.

The crash caused extensive damage to the truck involved, but no major injuries were reported, said Lt. Todd G. Lee Sr., chief of administrative services for the Police Department.

Mikel Valviva sought to return his truck to the dealership at 9150 Airline Highway, saying he no longer wanted it because of the recall on the accelerator, Lee said.

The dealership’s manager, Joe Costanza, offered to repair Valviva’s truck and loan him a car in the meantime, Lee said.

Matt McKay, owner of the All Star Automotive Group, said Costanza explained to Valviva on three separate occasions on Saturday that the dealership could not refund his money for the truck.

McKay said the process during the recall requires dealerships to provide a loaner car while the recalled vehicle is repaired.

Valviva refused the offers and tried to leave the dealership, but his gas pedal stuck, Lee said. The truck accelerated forward, striking the building, Lee said.

EMS personnel treated Valviva and his passenger for minor injuries on scene, Lee said.

McKay said a cosmetic column on the building received only minor damage.

Costanza confirmed Valviva’s truck is one of the models included in the recall, Lee said.

The investigating officer found no evidence the incident was intentional, Lee said.

“He didn’t have enough evidence to say that definitively,” Lee said.

McKay said he had “no comment” when asked if he believed the incident was accidental.

This is the first report of an accident caused by a faulty accelerator on a Toyota in the Greater Baton Rouge area, Lee said.

McKay said Valviva bought the truck in March 2009, and he had “no previous complaints or issues with the gas pedal.”

Attempts by The Advocate to reach Valviva on Saturday afternoon were unsuccessful.

Toyota Motor Co. said Tuesday it was suspending the sale of eight models and recalling more than 2 million cars because the gas pedals could become harder to press, slower to spring back or stuck.

Sean Kane, director of Safety Research and Strategies, a consumer group that conducts research into motor vehicle safety issues, said his firm has identified 2,274 incidents of sudden unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles leading to at least 275 crashes and 18 deaths since 1999, the Associated Press reported.
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I think more people have been electrocuted by cross walk buttons since 1999.

Part of the problem is cars are so "user friendly" now that people have no clue how to drive them. Gas, brake, steering, don't bother me with anything else!

A throttle cutoff would suck for anyone trying to race their Toyota. One more reason not to buy a new car. My truck had electronic throttle, and a really shitty shift sequence on the transmission I hated it. Unresponsive, and I don't need a computer interpreting how it thinks I should be accelerating.
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i don't see the need for drive by wire. seems like you are adding too much to a simple system. how are the chances of voltage spikes and/or crossing of wires not a potential hazard. and i would rather lose power steering and be slowing down then WOT into another car/truck/bus/child/brickwall


I can't wait for the brake-by-wire. Another new way to die.
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skip shift was the 1st thing I killed on my car.

My traction control, even though it leaved the trottle cable connected, can be rather annoying, but it doesn't hold it OPEN under any circumstance.
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The old cars had throttle linkage. You could pull the pedal up if it somehow got jammed.

Then we got throttle cables. Cables are great for pulling the throttle open, not so good for pushing it shut.

Now we're onto potentiometers and stepper motors and a computer program.

Fuck yeah let's make it more complex, that'll fix it.
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That works. IF you have linkage or if the jam is on the pedal itself.
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That works. IF you have linkage or if the jam is on the pedal itself.


Yea, just kiddin'.

Most of the racecar stuff uses a cable but, we do use double or triple return springs.

The throttle by wire thing is stupid..
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My traction control, even though it leaved the trottle cable connected, can be rather annoying, but it doesn't hold it OPEN under any circumstance.


Mine's in the "always off" mode.
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My traction control, even though it leaved the trottle cable connected, can be rather annoying, but it doesn't hold it OPEN under any circumstance.


Mine's in the "always off" mode.


The only traction control in my car is in the driver's seat.

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The throttle by wire thing is stupid..


Oh my F-150 I could snap the throttle to the floor and back without the truck even doing anything.

If you hold it there, it takes a second for the computer to realize it's what you intended, and even then it ramps up the throttle. In 2nd gear. Lame.

All they need now is a window that pops up on the dash saying "Are you sure you want to use the throttle? Click OK to continue."

The little indoor karts here have a ignition cutoff switch on the brake, which makes it impossible to stay in the powerband in braking zones. For something with gears, you need it for matching revs on downshifts. Although on the street, I wouldn't mind having less people drive with a foot on each pedal.
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The throttle by wire thing is stupid..


Oh my F-150 I could snap the throttle to the floor and back without the truck even doing anything.

If you hold it there, it takes a second for the computer to realize it's what you intended, and even then it ramps up the throttle. In 2nd gear. Lame.


Yea, the Expedition (diesel) I towed with at the race shop was like that. Drove me absoutely nuts.
Especially after getting out of a racecar with instant throttle response.
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I think more people have been electrocuted by cross walk buttons since 1999.

Part of the problem is cars are so "user friendly" now that people have no clue how to drive them. Gas, brake, steering, don't bother me with anything else!



True Story! This is exactly the problem. Even the new C6 is annoying at times... when I get in the car I just shut all that shit off, and "drive the car" the way it was meant to be driven. If I want to power slide the car, I don't need it telling me not to... that's what the girlfriend is for.


People really don't know how to drive anymore... saw a women in a minivan yesterday on the highway, talking on the cell phone, and driving on the shoulder at 70MPH. If only I was a cop.......

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February 2, 2010 | 7:21 pm

Apple Inc. co-founder Steve “Woz” Wozniak has seen his share of software glitches in the gadgets he has created and in those he collects.

Wozniak But Wozniak said he was surprised several months ago when his 2010 Toyota Prius started accelerating on its own — to as much as 97 mph — when he used cruise control to increase the vehicle’s speed. He said he had to tap the brakes to stop the car from accelerating.

Wozniak, 59, wanted to alert Toyota Motor Corp. and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to the possible safety issue, but he grew frustrated when no one would listen.

Thanks to a media blitz Tuesday — including an appearance on CNN — Toyota engineers are going to borrow Wozniak’s car for a week to diagnose the problem, he said. A Toyota spokesman confirmed that the automaker has reached out to Wozniak.

Toyota has recalled millions of vehicles and temporarily halted the sale of eight models because of reports of unintended acceleration. Toyota has not recalled Wozniak’s model, which has a steering-wheel-mounted radar cruise control.

Wozniak is famous for collecting technology he likes including Segways, iPhones and Priuses. “No product is perfect,” he said. “I would buy another one.”

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OMG the DOT just issued a STOP DRIVING

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35216587/ns/business-autos/
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OMG the DOT just issued a STOP DRIVING

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35216587/ns/business-autos/


He did change his tune quickly and then said that they should take them to the dealership now to get them fixed.

I wonder if it will really fix the problem or if it is just a band-aid? My Mom is supposed to take hers in this week.
What a mess for people and Toyota!
I told her to by a Malibu
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any chance she's getting a free rental car out of the deal?
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I doubt that!! On the other hand, my Chevy dealer has given me loaner cars when my Vette has been in for service and I was stuck with nobody to shuttle me back home.
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OMG the DOT just issued a STOP DRIVING

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35216587/ns/business-autos/


I can't help but think this is in part a political move to increase auto sales for the big 3. Especially Government Motors. I've never seen such nonsense. Yeah, sticky pedals are a problem that need to be addressed, but stopping the presses over that small percentage and causing this mass hysteria is ridiculous.
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Now, it's the Prius's turn, problems with the antilock brakes. Another recall coming.
They say it's a software glitch.

Maybe they should put another computer in the cars to monitor the other computers.
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updated recall guide for all those effected

http://www.autoblog.com/toyota_recall/guide
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Mom is getting the car fixed now as I type. Her mechanic at the Toyota Dealer said the replacement part is exactly like the one it is replacing, only its not made from plastic like the faulty parts.

I'd love to see this... Anyhow I told her to run, don't walk and get that car fixed so she can sleep at night.

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A little distraction.......

February 4, 2010
Toyota Says Cup Holders Still Working Great
Rest Your Beverages With Confidence, Says Carmaker


TOKYO (The Borowitz Report) – Embattled automaker Toyota today said that despite problems with accelerators and brakes, the cup holders on its most popular car models were “perfectly safe to use.”

“Feel free to enjoy the beverage of your choice and know that you can rest it in one of our cup holders with confidence,” said Tokyo spokesman Hiroshi Kyosuke.  “Our cup holders are world-class.”

But Mr. Kyosuke’s upbeat comments about Toyota’s cup holders were undercut somewhat later in the day by congressional testimony from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.

“You should only feel safe to use your cup holder if your Toyota is parked in your driveway,” Mr. LaHood said.  “At 80 miles per hour, the cup holder becomes a rocket launcher.”

Toyota’s stock plunged 17 percent on the Transportation Secretary’s remarks, prompting him to issue the following statement:

“Opposite of what I said.”
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"Toyota President apologizes... again, calls situation a "crisis" "
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