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BrianCunningham | Toyota | ||
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I'm surprized this hasn't been posted yet.
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Matatk | Re: Toyota | ||
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I saw it earlier, just never posted it. Hopefully they resolve their issues.
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biggrizzly | Re: Toyota | ||
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I'm fix'n to lay a lawsuit on them for causing harm to my Mom!! or go down there and blacken a few eyes!!
She bought a new Avalon three weeks ago against my wishes (but its her decision). She bought a top of the line car with full trim. I think it cost her around $38k. She traded in an older Avalon and has been a loyal Toyota customer for years. She took about $25k of her savings to bring the payment down enough for them to make the payment. the car has less than 500 miles on it and she is scared to drive it now. She has high blood pressure as it is and her nerves are shot anyhow. This additional worry had her upset and my dad wound up taking her to the hospital on Wednesday night because her blood pressure was so high ( a result of her worrying about her car purchase.) I know this sounds silly, but it is an example of how some people react to this kind of news. I have told her to relax and tried to explain the problem and issues with the accelerator and that her car would probably never see the issue surface. I think she is worried about potential resale of the car, but then I don't expect her to sell the car anytime soon. I hope those guys at Toyota come up with a decent fix for these cars and soon. |
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Matatk | Re: Toyota | ||
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Sorry to hear about your mom, Don! I'm sure she'll get better soon, but she'll never want to drive that car again. It's cursed in her eyes. It's an unfortunate thing, but Toyota is gonna take a big hit from this.
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TommyT-Bone | Re: Toyota | ||
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I heard on the news this morning that they have engineered the fix. A stock advisor was praising them for shutting down the assembly line and halting production till it could be corrected. According to the advisor, they did this even though it was not required and are taking swift action to correct the problems and acting very responsively. Maybe he had stock in the company. Was your Moms car an effected model?
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Toyota has a lot of earned good will. They're spending some of it here, but I think they'll be ok. On the good side, they did halt production and sales, something I don't think we've seen before from an automaker.
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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d@mn, sorry to hear that grizzly
BTW the only reason they stopped selling them is because the DOT made them. |
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biggrizzly | Re: Toyota | ||
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To the best of my knowledge. I've tried digging into exactly what cars in a model group might be included and right now every vehicle in the six models identified are likely candidates for the issue with the gas pedal. I think the whole "floor mat" recall was an early attempt at covering up the "gas pedal sticking" issue. We will see what comes of this. Autoweek states that Toyota has known about this problem since 2005 when it was an issue with some Tundra models. |
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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http://www.thebostonchannel.com/money/22371004/detail.html
Quote: Here is a list of recent recalls issued by Toyota Motor Corp. and the vehicles involved. the Pontiac Vibe may catch some owners off guard |
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Ultraman | Re: Toyota | ||
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They had a big article in the new Car and Driver about what to do if the gas peddle gets stuck. First was overide it with your brakes and they did a lot of testing to see if that would work, it did. Then they said you could put the car in nuetral or push in the clutch. (you think?) Lastly you could turn off the car but there goes the steering and power brakes. Or you could run into trees and stuff like Tiger did.
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Dads90 | Re: Toyota | ||
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I have the 09 Highlander and the vin number starts with "J" so according to Toyota it is not affected. Always been a Toyota fan. I will continue to buy them. They are daily drivers, keeps the mileage off the vette.
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TommyT-Bone | Re: Toyota | ||
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Reminds me of the Ford/Firestone debacle. :fall:
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Ultraman | Re: Toyota | ||
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Or the Audi sudden acceleration fiasco in the 80's that about did them in.
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The C&D article tested a Camry V6 against an Infinity G37 (plus a Roush Mustang, but that isn't really relevant!).
The interesting fact: There are no obvious international standards on how Drive By Wire systems safe. The Nissan system has the following specs and safety features: 1. If you hit the brakes, the throttle closes. 2. If you hit the start button for 2.5 seconds the engine shuts off. 3. If you hit the start button several times in quick succession, the engine shuts off. The Toyota has the following specs and safety features: 1. If you hit the start button for 3.5 seconds the engine will shut off. Yup. That's it. I suspect the fix will be to add, at the very least, the throttle shut off. I think the next move will be by NHTSA to request the DOT to mandate better standards. |
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i don't see the need for drive by wire. seems like you are adding too much to a simple system. how are the chances of voltage spikes and/or crossing of wires not a potential hazard. and i would rather lose power steering and be slowing down then WOT into another car/truck/bus/child/brickwall
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bogus | Re: Toyota | ||
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I agree. I don't see the purpose for it.
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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me either
kind of has me worried about the truck and that system is all linked in with the active handling. |
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Matatk | Re: Toyota | ||
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Or the Ford crown vics that the cruise control was going haywire on and sending them into walls. Similar to what the Toyotas are doing, but not as wide spread. |
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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How's this for irony?
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/83184417.html?showAll=y&c=y Quote: Mans truck strikes BR Toyota dealership |
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I think more people have been electrocuted by cross walk buttons since 1999.
Part of the problem is cars are so "user friendly" now that people have no clue how to drive them. Gas, brake, steering, don't bother me with anything else! A throttle cutoff would suck for anyone trying to race their Toyota. One more reason not to buy a new car. My truck had electronic throttle, and a really shitty shift sequence on the transmission I hated it. Unresponsive, and I don't need a computer interpreting how it thinks I should be accelerating. |
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I can't wait for the brake-by-wire. Another new way to die. |
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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skip shift was the 1st thing I killed on my car.
My traction control, even though it leaved the trottle cable connected, can be rather annoying, but it doesn't hold it OPEN under any circumstance. |
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CentralCoaster | Re: Toyota | ||
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The old cars had throttle linkage. You could pull the pedal up if it somehow got jammed.
Then we got throttle cables. Cables are great for pulling the throttle open, not so good for pushing it shut. Now we're onto potentiometers and stepper motors and a computer program. Fuck yeah let's make it more complex, that'll fix it. |
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CentralCoaster | Re: Toyota | ||
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That works. IF you have linkage or if the jam is on the pedal itself.
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Yea, just kiddin'. Most of the racecar stuff uses a cable but, we do use double or triple return springs. The throttle by wire thing is stupid.. |
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Mine's in the "always off" mode. |
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Oh my F-150 I could snap the throttle to the floor and back without the truck even doing anything. If you hold it there, it takes a second for the computer to realize it's what you intended, and even then it ramps up the throttle. In 2nd gear. Lame. All they need now is a window that pops up on the dash saying "Are you sure you want to use the throttle? Click OK to continue." The little indoor karts here have a ignition cutoff switch on the brake, which makes it impossible to stay in the powerband in braking zones. For something with gears, you need it for matching revs on downshifts. Although on the street, I wouldn't mind having less people drive with a foot on each pedal. |
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True Story! This is exactly the problem. Even the new C6 is annoying at times... when I get in the car I just shut all that shit off, and "drive the car" the way it was meant to be driven. If I want to power slide the car, I don't need it telling me not to... that's what the girlfriend is for. People really don't know how to drive anymore... saw a women in a minivan yesterday on the highway, talking on the cell phone, and driving on the shoulder at 70MPH. If only I was a cop....... DG |
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Steve (Apple) Wozniak on his Prius
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/techn ... ozniak-apple-toyota-.html Quote: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak gets help with his Toyota problem |
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He did change his tune quickly and then said that they should take them to the dealership now to get them fixed. I wonder if it will really fix the problem or if it is just a band-aid? My Mom is supposed to take hers in this week. What a mess for people and Toyota! I told her to by a Malibu |
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BrianCunningham | Re: Toyota | ||
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any chance she's getting a free rental car out of the deal?
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I doubt that!! On the other hand, my Chevy dealer has given me loaner cars when my Vette has been in for service and I was stuck with nobody to shuttle me back home. |
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I can't help but think this is in part a political move to increase auto sales for the big 3. Especially Government Motors. I've never seen such nonsense. Yeah, sticky pedals are a problem that need to be addressed, but stopping the presses over that small percentage and causing this mass hysteria is ridiculous. |
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Now, it's the Prius's turn, problems with the antilock brakes. Another recall coming.
They say it's a software glitch. Maybe they should put another computer in the cars to monitor the other computers. |
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Mom is getting the car fixed now as I type. Her mechanic at the Toyota Dealer said the replacement part is exactly like the one it is replacing, only its not made from plastic like the faulty parts.
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A little distraction.......
February 4, 2010 Toyota Says Cup Holders Still Working Great Rest Your Beverages With Confidence, Says Carmaker TOKYO (The Borowitz Report) Embattled automaker Toyota today said that despite problems with accelerators and brakes, the cup holders on its most popular car models were perfectly safe to use. Feel free to enjoy the beverage of your choice and know that you can rest it in one of our cup holders with confidence, said Tokyo spokesman Hiroshi Kyosuke. Our cup holders are world-class. But Mr. Kyosukes upbeat comments about Toyotas cup holders were undercut somewhat later in the day by congressional testimony from Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. You should only feel safe to use your cup holder if your Toyota is parked in your driveway, Mr. LaHood said. At 80 miles per hour, the cup holder becomes a rocket launcher. Toyotas stock plunged 17 percent on the Transportation Secretarys remarks, prompting him to issue the following statement: Opposite of what I said. |
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"Toyota President apologizes... again, calls situation a "crisis" "
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I PO a Toyota owner over on the SCCA forums
It backfired though, even the Toyota owners are giving him grief. http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/400748.aspx http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/401538.aspx http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/401812.aspx http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/401702.aspx http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/401734.aspx |
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