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CSS996	Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#1
Mega Guru Central PA 3644 Posts Member since: 2007/8/31 0:00	I hardly ever get to fly. Other than today, the last time I flew was July of 2001. Not long before 9/11. I probably have less than twenty flights total under my belt, so it's still a bit of an adventure for me. All my flights have been rather mundane, but today, about half way into our flight, somewhere over Kansas, I looked out the window and saw another Northwest airliner not half mile away!!! I want to say a quarter mile, but that should be impossible... Is that normal? If we were headed NE, then they were maybe headed due West. I've never seen another plane in the air while I was wheels up before. Kinda freaked me out a little. I could see windows and some details of the plane. Anyone else got stories? I'll read them after I land in Grand Forks... Not before.
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Durango_Boy	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#2
Elite Guru Columbia, MO 2583 Posts Member since: 2009/1/30 21:54	Were you a passenger or were you piloting the craft?
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CSS996	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#3
Mega Guru Central PA 3644 Posts Member since: 2007/8/31 0:00	Passenger.
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Durango_Boy	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#4
Elite Guru Columbia, MO 2583 Posts Member since: 2009/1/30 21:54	I've seen planes before as a passenger when at cruising altitude. Maybe closest was a mile away. I would imagine seeing another plane that close as a pilot would be pretty intense.
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CentralCoaster	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#5
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Nothing much. Some hard landings and severe turbulence. I remember watching the wingtip flapping up and down 6 feet in the middle of a rainstorm. The best was probably one time during turbulence when one of the oxygen masks popped loose and came down. That freaked a few people out.
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Sweet90	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#6
Elite Guru Edmonton, Alberta 1143 Posts Member since: 2009/2/10 19:32	I mo be there for you Chris. I would think that might be a tad close Jim
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pianoguy	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#7
Guru Emeritus Apple Valley, MN 14762 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Flew in a little 15-passenger puddle jumper from Detroit to beautiful downtown Toledo one time. There were 50-60mph winds, the plane was buffeting all over the place. At least half the passengers were using their air-sickness bags. I thought the pilot was going to have to fly the thing straight into the ground to get us down. He got a standing-O when we landed safely. The flight back 2 days later never happened - the plane never showed up, so they stuffed us in a bunch of cabs and drove us back to Detroit.
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bogus	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#8
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	I was on this plane out of NYC a couple months back... hit some birds and the plane landed in some river. Maybe you heard about it? In all seriousness, my flights, and I have taken a LOT (20+) since bastet44 and I met 6 years ago, have been uneventful. I had one from Orlando to Philly, hit some serious weather. It was the bumpiest. I thought my Coke was gonna buy it. Very turbulant. I think I have only ever seen another plane in the air once... it was a distance off and below. Otherwise, nada. The way I figure it is like this: Air travel is about as safe as houses, really. They transport MILLIONS across this nation and have only a few hundred fatalities per year. It's safer than driving. It's just that when a plane crashes, 100 folks die at once. That's why it makes headlines. We fly Southwest pretty much 100% of the time. The only time we wander is when we go to Hawai'i or out of country. A SWA employee told us that they are looking to go international. I guess that means Canada. If they go beyond the boarders of NA, they will need a bigger plane. The 737 isn't certified for trans-oceananic flights. So no UK, no Hawai'i, no Asia...
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Matatk	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#9
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Quote: pianoguy wrote: Flew in a little 15-passenger puddle jumper from Detroit to beautiful downtown Toledo one time. There were 50-60mph winds, the plane was buffeting all over the place. At least half the passengers were using their air-sickness bags. I thought the pilot was going to have to fly the thing straight into the ground to get us down. He got a standing-O when we landed safely. The flight back 2 days later never happened - the plane never showed up, so they stuffed us in a bunch of cabs and drove us back to Detroit. After that I'd rather take the cab home. Matthew
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Matatk	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#10
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Speaking of airlines, did you see this article? http://news.aol.com/article/container ... -into-jet-engine%2F476176 Quote: Baggage Container Sucked Into Jet Engine AP LOS ANGELES (May 11) - Authorities say a metal baggage container was sucked into an engine of a Boeing 747 at Los Angeles International Airport. No one was injured. Marshall Lowe, an airport spokesman, says the incident occurred as Japan Airlines Flight 61 to Narita, Japan, was pushing back from a terminal about 1:30 p.m. Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor says a baggage cart was being towed nearby at the same time and the engine ingested one of its containers. The big metal container became lodged in the outer left-side engine of the four-engine jet. The 245 passengers were taken back to the terminal. Federal investigators were examining the jet.
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PeteK	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#11
Moderator Nanticoke, Pa 1311 Posts Member since: 2006/7/3 0:00	I fly for a living, and things have been rather uneventful. Lost an engine once on an atlanta to Washington DC flight. It happened just as we started our initial decent, so no real drama other than the noise. While landing in the snow at MHT, we slid all around the runway. Once while landing in Kentucky, the plane pitched so much I could not see daylight between the tip of the wing, and the grass along the edge of the runway. Did not touch though.
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1Fast04Vert	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#12
Elite Guru The hills of N. Georgia 2424 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Being ex USAF flight crew I have a lot of stories. A few of the scarier ones: Lost on engine on take off on a fully loaded C-119. The C119 is not supposed to be able to fly one one engine, but we had maybe the best pilot in the USAF up front. somehow he managed to get us safely back on the ground. We got caught in a serious downdraft in storms over the Chesapeak Bay and went from 5000 ft to 500 ft in a freefall. Things were actually floating in the cabin and we were all pretty sure we were going to die that day. I had a psycho army airborne trooper try to drag me out of the plane when doing a troop drop over NC. Problem was we were dropping them on static line from 1100 ft, my chute was manual opening and required a minimum of 1500 ft to deploy. I actually had to stab the sob in the ribs to make him let go of my harness. We had some real nut cases back then (vietnam era). There are others, but those are the ones I rememmber the most vividly. Dang, now I am having flashbacks.
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Meatgrinder	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#13
Guru Springfield, Missouri 55 Posts Member since: 2009/4/9 12:24	Quote: CSS996 wrote: I hardly ever get to fly. Other than today, the last time I flew was July of 2001. Not long before 9/11. I probably have less than twenty flights total under my belt, so it's still a bit of an adventure for me. All my flights have been rather mundane, but today, about half way into our flight, somewhere over Kansas, I looked out the window and saw another Northwest airliner not half mile away!!! I want to say a quarter mile, but that should be impossible... Is that normal? If we were headed NE, then they were maybe headed due West. I've never seen another plane in the air while I was wheels up before. Kinda freaked me out a little. I could see windows and some details of the plane. Anyone else got stories? I'll read them after I land in Grand Forks... Not before. I think your aircraft is one of those yellow dots. http://gizmodo.com/5055160/24-hour-ai ... orld-blows-minds-eyeballs
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BrianCunningham	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#14
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Quote: Matatk wrote: Speaking of airlines, did you see this article? http://news.aol.com/article/container ... -into-jet-engine%2F476176 Quote: Baggage Container Sucked Into Jet Engine . I saw that on the news. Having worked in the aircraft industry, I've seen some dussies. LOL I actually got to fly, as in pilot, a small aircraft. If you even get the chance to fly in a small aircraft it's a whole different world!
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BillH	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#15
The Stig Moderator Reno 22702 Posts Member since: 2007/12/25 0:00	I was flying back from Paris,France after doing engineering work in a French factory where no one spoke english, stressed out. Approaching Dullis, the stewardess told the guy across the isle from me (sitting at the emergency exit) that he had to go up and sit in her jump seat. When he asked why, she told him it was standard procedure. I'm like "WTF". The approach seemed really long and a lot of bucking up & down. I knew we were close to the runway, looked out at the wing, hummmm, the flaps aren't down???? We hit the runway hard, I look out the window and see what seemed to be 100 crash trucks with the red lights blazing. Then I'm thinking, "Why aren't the engines going ino reverse???", Crap. It took a long time to slow down enough for the pilot to be able to use the brakes. We finally stopped about 2 feet from the fence. Fun Whot?
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Matt26R	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#16
Guru Powell, Ohio 76 Posts Member since: 2008/1/14 0:00	It's pretty common to see other aircraft if you fly on a regular basis. A few years ago the Feds changed the separation requirements at altitudes above 29000'. Now we only have 1000' vertical between the aircraft vs 2000' previously (Westbound aircraft fly at even altitudes and eastbound traffic is at an odd altitude). The airplanes and crew have to be RVSM certfied to fly above 29k so it isn't a big deal. Better avionics,etc.... I've been a professional pilot for 20 years (9500+hours) fwiw. I currently fly a Hawker 800 (corporate jet). I don't have any horror stories for you.....it's all good up there! I like to say that Aviation is 100% successful. "We've never left one up there"
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bogus	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#17
Grand Imperial Pooh-Bah San Pedro, CA 20859 Posts Member since: 2005/9/7 0:00	Quote: Matt26R wrote: It's pretty common to see other aircraft if you fly on a regular basis. A few years ago the Feds changed the separation requirements at altitudes above 29000'. Now we only have 1000' vertical between the aircraft vs 2000' previously (Westbound aircraft fly at even altitudes and eastbound traffic is at an odd altitude). The airplanes and crew have to be RVSM certfied to fly above 29k so it isn't a big deal. Better avionics,etc.... I've been a professional pilot for 20 years (9500+hours) fwiw. I currently fly a Hawker 800 (corporate jet). I don't have any horror stories for you.....it's all good up there! I like to say that Aviation is 100% successful. "We've never left one up there" yea, well... that's a spin on it... but that sudden impact with terra firma really puts a ding on that stat. Southwest had a tire explode in Texas after landing. Damned thing caught fire. I am guessing the brake locked up... all sorts of heat was there. Toss in a rupture hydraulic line - poof. No one hurt. SWA is the only airline without a fatal crash. I qualify that one - there was one when they landed at O'hare. The plane landed, but the runway was slick and poorly cared for. The plane ran off the runway, hitting a car, killing occupants of the car, including a child. Sad, but not the airlines fault, really. The planes passengers were all safe.
	Posted on: 2009/5/13 14:40
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BrianCunningham	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#18
Senior Guru Boston, MA for the most part :) 7763 Posts Member since: 2007/12/30 0:00	Quote: Matt26R wrote: "We've never left one up there" Not that I can elaborate, but that's not entirely true.
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Sweet90	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#19
Elite Guru Edmonton, Alberta 1143 Posts Member since: 2009/2/10 19:32	Quote: bogus wrote: Quote: Matt26R wrote: It's pretty common to see other aircraft if you fly on a regular basis. A few years ago the Feds changed the separation requirements at altitudes above 29000'. Now we only have 1000' vertical between the aircraft vs 2000' previously (Westbound aircraft fly at even altitudes and eastbound traffic is at an odd altitude). The airplanes and crew have to be RVSM certfied to fly above 29k so it isn't a big deal. Better avionics,etc.... I've been a professional pilot for 20 years (9500+hours) fwiw. I currently fly a Hawker 800 (corporate jet). I don't have any horror stories for you.....it's all good up there! I like to say that Aviation is 100% successful. "We've never left one up there" yea, well... that's a spin on it... but that sudden impact with terra firma really puts a ding on that stat. Southwest had a tire explode in Texas after landing. Damned thing caught fire. I am guessing the brake locked up... all sorts of heat was there. Toss in a rupture hydraulic line - poof. No one hurt. SWA is the only airline without a fatal crash. I qualify that one - there was one when they landed at O'hare. The plane landed, but the runway was slick and poorly cared for. The plane ran off the runway, hitting a car, killing occupants of the car, including a child. Sad, but not the airlines fault, really. The planes passengers were all safe. I believe Quantas has never had either
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pianoguy	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#20
Guru Emeritus Apple Valley, MN 14762 Posts Member since: 2007/12/29 0:00	Quote: BrianCunningham wrote: Quote: Matt26R wrote: "We've never left one up there" Not that I can elaborate, but that's not entirely true. Alien abduction?
	Posted on: 2009/5/13 20:53
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Calm	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#21
Senior Guru Vancouver, Canada 608 Posts Member since: 2007/12/27 0:00	Years ago I was returning to Winnipeg International from northern Manitoba in a beaver bush plane. Just the pilot and myself, so he had me use the headphones. While listening to all the chatter from the tower, my pilot was earnestly given approach instructions, which seemed to change the closer we got on approach. Tower was also speaking with '747 heavy'. When we were at about 500 ft the tower instructed us to taxi off the runway 'immediately' upon touchdown. This was repeated 2 more times within the following 30 seconds, and we could hear the stress and urgency in the towers voice. At around 200 ft the tower suddenly SCREAMED at us saying DROP DOWN! Pilot did, of course. And we both got a close-up of the underside of a 747! Flew right over us, not 100 ft away and touched down a few hundred feet ahead. My pilot struggled with the turbulence but got us down.
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Sweet90	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#22
Elite Guru Edmonton, Alberta 1143 Posts Member since: 2009/2/10 19:32	My God, who ever that ATC guy was; he should have been fired on the spot. That could have been a real disaster. Jim
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CSS996	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#23
Mega Guru Central PA 3644 Posts Member since: 2007/8/31 0:00	Great stuff guys! I'll add that I believe we were cruising at 37,000 ft when I saw the other jet. Looked to be at the same altitude. Our aircraft was about 100 seats. 20 rows A-D. Small trubines on the tail, not the wing. The con-trails on the other craft only spread about 200 ft behind and evaporated quickly. It was like a model plane with cotton spread out behind it was hanging from a wire and being dragged away from us. Sort of cool, actually. Thanks for sharing your stories!
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CentralCoaster	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#24
Senior Guru San Diego, CA 9454 Posts Member since: 2007/10/28 0:00	Anyone with a fear of flying should watch these for reassurance:
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Matatk	Re: Memorable flights? Gurus in the sky...	#25
Webmaster SW Chicago Burbs 22805 Posts Member since: 2008/1/7 0:00	Quote: bogus wrote: No one hurt. SWA is the only airline without a fatal crash. I qualify that one - there was one when they landed at O'hare. The plane landed, but the runway was slick and poorly cared for. The plane ran off the runway, hitting a car, killing occupants of the car, including a child. Sad, but not the airlines fault, really. The planes passengers were all safe. It was actually at Midway about 2 miles from where I used to live. Very sad for that family. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178298,00.html Matthew
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