bogus wrote:
I beg to ask, what is "traditional?" It wasn't that long ago, teaching racism was "traditional."

teebee wrote:
Totally agreed with both of you.....sorry, it makes me sick.

biggrizzly wrote:
so its not the people so much I'm bitching about, but the widespread commercialization and approval rating it gets. I think that I am going to start making commercials that portray sanctity of heterosexual marriage and how it can make for a fulfilling life for young people too!! Kind of like the old Ozzie & Harriet or Leave it to Beaver shows. Or commercials that quickly flash images and videos of happy heterosexual couples engaging in fun wholesome activities, holding hands and saying "It's OK to be straight.. we belong"...

flyboy wrote:
As far as pushing their agenda, it's a case of the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Durango_Boy wrote:

Picture two woman kissing or having sex. Honestly, who's turned off by that? Certainly not me. I have no aversion to gay woman.

tjpreul wrote:
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Durango_Boy wrote:

Picture two woman kissing or having sex. Honestly, who's turned off by that? Certainly not me. I have no aversion to gay woman.

tjpreul wrote:
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Durango_Boy wrote:

Picture two woman kissing or having sex. Honestly, who's turned off by that? Certainly not me. I have no aversion to gay woman.

biggrizzly wrote:
This is the ad that really set me off. I also don't appreciate that they use the characters from Toy Story to promote their agenda to children.

teebee wrote:
The key is, they don't flaunt it, shove it in peoples faces, or go about "advertising" their choices.

It's a free world, do as you please, just don't slam it in our faces.

bogus wrote:
I did not say tradition is bad. It's constantly being held under the spot light of change. Yes you referenced "racisim" as the BAD example

300 years ago, what was tradition is now not even remembered. When the Pilgrams arrived, their traditions required that one spent the entire Sunday praying or in church. If not, you risked being kicked out.If any of us violated the CG rules would you not be inclined to have us removed?

What about the traditions of the Aztecs? When sacrificing virgins was a Saturday night party affair. I am sure if you suggested to them that this was a bad tradition, all sorts of threats would come your way.Oh yeah good example cult based religion from 2000 years ago

Tradition is in constant flux. Only in the eyes of people that can't handle traditional values And people cling to them because they are comfortable and something they can relate to. And people will fight this change to the death because they believe their tradition is better than others. You phrase this as if it was bad...

Need I remind you that I am a moderate? With a silly left hook

oh, and I did read your sig... very carefully... and you know something... get ready for this: BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY OF THIS. And this is the root of our national division. Both think they are so righteous that the other is belittled for not agreeing. It's simple bullshit, disguised as politics. I hate it.

biggrizzly wrote:
How will you handle those questions?

Matatk wrote:
I don't have a problem with that ad. To me it looks like a group who feels they are oppressed reaching out with media to tell others to persevere.

Guess there never should have been race riots, either.

JrRifleCoach wrote:

WHen raising children the parents must establish a solid base for them develop from. If this base is weak or unstable with indecision, how can a child ever develop a solid grasp of lifes concepts? Here is where our society has gone awry with single parents, gheys and working parents too busy to properly raise their young. How can these children possibly have a decent upbringing and develop into a respectful individual? Oh there are the few that survive but those are rare. The jails and rehab houses are full of those who couldn't find themselves...

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Matatk wrote:
I don't have a problem with that ad. To me it looks like a group who feels they are oppressed reaching out with media to tell others to persevere.

Guess there never should have been race riots, either.

Matt see post #20. Social agendas and deviant behavior are not the same thing. Defining deviant behavior is hard to do these days. We keep sliding back and letting more in as the norm. What about the poor pedaphiles when is that going to be ok? Just saying..........

Man Don, hot topic. Corvettes are not deviant, Corvettes are not deviant.......

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bogus wrote:
I did not say tradition is bad. It's constantly being held under the spot light of change. Yes you referenced "racisim" as the BAD example

300 years ago, what was tradition is now not even remembered. When the Pilgrams arrived, their traditions required that one spent the entire Sunday praying or in church. If not, you risked being kicked out.If any of us violated the CG rules would you not be inclined to have us removed?

What about the traditions of the Aztecs? When sacrificing virgins was a Saturday night party affair. I am sure if you suggested to them that this was a bad tradition, all sorts of threats would come your way.Oh yeah good example cult based religion from 2000 years ago

Tradition is in constant flux. Only in the eyes of people that can't handle traditional values And people cling to them because they are comfortable and something they can relate to. And people will fight this change to the death because they believe their tradition is better than others. You phrase this as if it was bad...

Need I remind you that I am a moderate? With a silly left hook

oh, and I did read your sig... very carefully... and you know something... get ready for this: BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY OF THIS. And this is the root of our national division. Both think they are so righteous that the other is belittled for not agreeing. It's simple bullshit, disguised as politics. I hate it.

Here is where moderates make me laugh. Instead of taking a position and standing firm, they like to be wishy-washy, flip-flop and find reason to defeat both sides of an arguement, and leaving without truely defining their position. It must be lonely to not have their soles at peace.

WHen raising children the parents must establish a solid base for them develop from. If this base is weak or unstable with indecision, how can a child ever develop a solid grasp of lifes concepts? Here is where our society has gone awry with single parents, gheys and working parents too busy to properly raise their young. How can these children possibly have a decent upbringing and develop into a respectful individual? Oh there are the few that survive but those are rare. The jails and rehab houses are full of those who couldn't find themselves...

biggrizzly wrote:
This is the ad that really set me off. I also don't appreciate that they use the characters from Toy Story to promote their agenda to children.

bogus wrote:

What I am finding annoying about this discussion is how you are collectively thinking that someone is trying to make people gay.

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bogus wrote:

What I am finding annoying about this discussion is how you are collectively thinking that someone is trying to make people gay.

I don't think anyone said that someone is trying to make people gay. I'm saying that the media and pop culture are pushing the "Gay is OK" philosophy too hard and it is in the face of every person that turns on a TV set, surfs the web or reads the paper. I don't go looking for this stuff, its all over the place. However, what the TV and Media is saying, is that homosexuality is an OK behavior! And just that approval alone is enough to wrongly persuade a young confused person down a path they may not want to travel.

Vetron87 wrote:
Life experiences have taught me a nonjudgemental relationship with people. I have had over 25,000 students in my teaching career, from teaching swimming, small weopons and tactics, explosives, to auto shop, woods, and welding. I have had gay, lesbian and gender dysphoric students. I never judged, emotional I could turn it off, I could tell in minutes their ability for success.
Several years ago my wife and I ran across one of my gender dysphoric students, now a female, she told me that if I had made fun of him in my auto shop he was ready to pull the trigger. Yea never know who your going to influence positive or negative. Never thought it would be a matter of life or death.
I can relate to what a minority in our society goes through. Returning to San Diego after my second tour in Vietnam, I decided to buy a 69 Dodge Charger with a Hemi to try and sort my life out with drive back to Indiana. My second purchase was a Colt Python 4" 357 magnum for my exit stradegy in case I couldn't find my way home with the Charger. I had been spit on, called baby killer, emotionally I began to shut down, I was the minority, no one respected the fact that I helped give them the freedom to express themselves. I didn't asked to be treated this way, I didn't choose to risk my life, it just happened!
Maybe thats what gave me the tolerance to deal with others and their baggage. When I left the Navy I was a type A with hostile/aggressive behavior. The drive home did me a world of good, I still have the Python.
People want to put a label or stereotype people and behaviors society deems wrong. Killing is wrong but society and politics makes it ok. After spilling my guts I may not agree with behaviors and glorification of a behavior but thats what our society does. After SEAL Team 6 eliminated Bin Laden, all of a sudden Navy Recruiters were swarmered with people wanting to be SEALs without any thought of the price we pay to do this.
I just smile stay focused one my family and move on.

bogus wrote:
Oh, my. Don...
This isn't promoting an agenda to children. This is so much deeper. This is helping. This is cathartic.

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teebee wrote:
The key is, they don't flaunt it, shove it in peoples faces, or go about "advertising" their choices.

It's a free world, do as you please, just don't slam it in our faces.

Guess they should remove from television:

1) every Christian religious channel since all it does is slam those religious beliefs in our faces

2) nearly every sitcom on every station, since they all tend to deal with marriage and it's problems...slamming it in our faces

3) every reality show having to do with dating or marriage...aka the bachelor/bachelorette....since it slams that belief in our faces

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Matatk wrote:
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teebee wrote:
The key is, they don't flaunt it, shove it in peoples faces, or go about "advertising" their choices.

It's a free world, do as you please, just don't slam it in our faces.

Guess they should remove from television:

1) every Christian religious channel since all it does is slam those religious beliefs in our faces

2) nearly every sitcom on every station, since they all tend to deal with marriage and it's problems...slamming it in our faces

3) every reality show having to do with dating or marriage...aka the bachelor/bachelorette....since it slams that belief in our faces

I would tend to agree with you Matt, take them off. I guess most of these really don't affect me, because I choose not to watch those things, unfortunately my grandkids, like most, do watch them, because of the way they are rationalized and touted to the younger generations.

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Ultraman wrote:
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Matatk wrote:
I don't have a problem with that ad. To me it looks like a group who feels they are oppressed reaching out with media to tell others to persevere.

Guess there never should have been race riots, either.

Matt see post #20. Social agendas and deviant behavior are not the same thing. Defining deviant behavior is hard to do these days. We keep sliding back and letting more in as the norm. What about the poor pedaphiles when is that going to be ok? Just saying..........

Man Don, hot topic. Corvettes are not deviant, Corvettes are not deviant.......

The definition of "deviance" comes from society. So inherently, defiant behavior IS a social agenda.

Let me ask you this:

Is it only deviant because a bible-belt homophobe said it is?????

Matthew

Ultraman wrote:
No, not just me, I think the majority of our society do feel that homosexuality is not the norm nor should it be.

JrRifleCoach wrote:
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Ultraman wrote:
No, not just me, I think the majority of our society do feel that homosexuality is not the norm nor should it be.

Exactly! And some of us are more willing to raise our voices than others.

As my daughter recently reminded me, some things are just not that important.

Andy...I still love ya man!