bogus wrote:


I am tired of all the arguments based on nothing more than conjecture. If you want to argue, you sure as hell better bring real information to the table, not just opinion, or else. As a reminder, I live for empirical data. Show me the money, ok?

Understand?

cuisinartvette wrote:
Actually Andy it seemed more of a discussion wether there were disagrements or not hadnt seen any bashing or attacks.

Maybe some criteria does get old but still..
Thoughts?

I am tired of all the arguments based on nothing more than conjecture. If you want to argue, you sure as hell better bring real information to the table, not just opinion, or else. As a reminder, I live for empirical data. Show me the money, ok?

bogus wrote: Show me the money, ok?


Understand?

cuisinartvette wrote:
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BeachBum wrote:
What I thought was funny..... the Moderator posts a warning to a few members not to squabble..... then the squabblers come on and say, I agree, this squabbling has got to end..... lol

Maybe its just me, but that there is some funny stuff....

wesmigletz wrote:
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BeachBum wrote:
What I thought was funny..... the Moderator posts a warning to a few members not to squabble..... then the squabblers come on and say, I agree, this squabbling has got to end..... lol

Maybe its just me, but that there is some funny stuff....

Beachbum, I can't speak for the others, but you gave a well-thought response to one of my threads over in C1...

Josh wrote:
I thought it was odd that the first person to respond to the anti-squabble post is one of the people responsible for the anti-squabble post.

We all know what Andy is talking about, so I'll say it since no one else has:

ENOUGH with the head debates. JSUP and 88blackZ51, this means YOU. Rick, before you come storming in here proclaiming that you don't ever start anything, we all see you pushing JSUP's buttons. You know you do it, we know you do it, he knows you do it; now it's time to stop doing it.

JSUP (or more commonly known as the one man anti-AFR crusade), let it go. You enjoy the fights, regardless of what you say from here on out, you do. There is no way you could stay as attentive to the threads if you didn't. I understand, I like fighting with the ZR1 crowd on the other board from time to time, but regardless of how right you may or may not be, it's time to stop.

Prozac, this is a tech forum. Popping in during a thread about engine building with questions like, "Is your interior really that red color?" or some other equally non-relevant post doesn't help anyone. Despite the other forums you may visit, this forum is here for technical advice. During discussions of cam specs, questions like, "Is your name really William Williams?" are not relevant, and serve no purpose.

I don't think we need to be nazi's about everything, but damn just try to post responsibly is all. I'm just as guilty as anyone, but I'll make an effort to be better. I would like to think that everyone else could do the same.

jsup wrote:
Paardon me while I get defensive..

And again, for the record, I am NOT let me repeat, NOT on an ANTI AFR crusade.

My crusade is that I believe that the claims of vast AFR superiority are waaaayyyyy over stated and unproven and should not be spread as fact. [SNIP] taking $2000 from me for something they can't prove.

And, if you want to bring that in, in a thread that disappeared somewhere else, AFR posted questionable dyno charts which were demonstrated fraudulent. So if I have any problem with them it's taking people's money on false pretense. I think people should know that, and yes I have a problem with that. Oh, and while I'm at it, I have been emailed proof that AFR had a known core shift problem, in Tony's own words, and won't replace lltrevino's heads. Another reason among many I have a problem with them. Not to mention people who received heads full of metal shavings and clearly dropped and dented and just stuck back in the box. Are we not allowed to tell people this stuff or should we just defer to Ricky and flow numbers? People spending money have the right to know, and I have more, plenty more. Put that in your anti AFR pipe and smoke it. How people can fall over this kind of company is beyond me.

Oh, and it's not a "one man" crusade. Plenty of people would love to comment but don't want to get into the bullshit with leghumpers. "not worth the time" as I have been told. Well, I'm just a bit more quixotic then they are, doesn't mean I'm alone.

That's my crusade just so you know. I have a problem with people spreading unsubstantiated bullshit as science, when it's not, and telling people to spend hard earned money on it. And manufacturers making claims they can't support. I would hope people would join me in said crusade, not marginalize me because it doesn't fit their hallucinogenic reality.

I think that's what Andy would want. Hence "Your INDEPENDENT Corvette resource"...

I was told by one of the engineers who worked with me for a month, and no not Deakins, that 99% of the information on CF Tech is utter bullshit. This place doesn't need that rep, and that is what Andy wants. There are no sacred cows, and that is good.

We went through that entire thread linked above without incident, we discussed, we bantered, points were made, counter points were given. It was nice. Why can't they all be that way?

Josh wrote:

I agree, 100%. Like I said though, you're at an 11 and we're going to need you at about a 4. Throttle back and I think you'll make more head way.

Why? Why act like that? Just be cool and discuss it.

jsup wrote:
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Josh wrote:

I agree, 100%. Like I said though, you're at an 11 and we're going to need you at about a 4. Throttle back and I think you'll make more head way.

Seems to be my problem. Got it.