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| Aboatguy | Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Which drag radials for a C4 and why? Don't care about street wear just bang for the buck hook For example ......Mickey Thompson Drag Radial 275 45 17 reason hook enough hard and clear rear brakes and maintain top speed stability) Thanks. Mike |
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| vetteoz | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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MT ET Streets work for me. Hook everytime with little if any warming.Usually only a little spin to dry the water off |
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| 1Fast04Vert | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I have run both BFG and Nitto drag radials. I had the BFGs in 18" on C5 wide spoke wheels. They hooked up great but I just didn't care for the wheels. So when I was able to sell them for what I had invested I did and then replaced them with Nittos in 315/35/17. They also hooked up with no spinning at all. Between the two I would have to say I think the Nittos were better, primarily because they were a better street tire as well.
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| BrianCunningham | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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anythings better than my autox tires
careful when you start to hook. I'll be upgrading my stubaxles over the winter. |
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| flyboy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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No wheel spin with my Nitto 555r's in 315/17. Their site warns about possible cracking in below freezing use.
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| Josh | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I had the M/T drag radials on my 91 M6 and sold them because I didn't like them. On motor, they would dead hook and the engine would bog down. On the bottle, they would spin all the way through first gear. As soon as I lifted off the floor, the bottle would shut off, the tires would hook, and the car would bog down. They didn't wear like a street tire, and didn't hook like a slick. I had the negatives of both types of tires and the positives of neither. On regular street tires I was able to drive the car to mid 1.8's using as much clutch pedal finesse and throttle control as I could muster. On the ET street radials, 1.8's were pretty much automatic, but I had to drop the clutch much harder from a much higher RPM. Basically, I had to beat on the car harder to achieve the same short times. Because of the bogging down situation, I never was able to get much more than low 1.8's out the ET street radials. I've been mid-low 1.7's on nitto's, so I wasn't happy with the MT tires at all. The bias ply ET streets were worlds better. I can launch on the juice with little to no wheel spin. The best part about them is that if the spin, I can just stay in it and they will recover and hook. The drag radials would not recover once they started to spin. When the ET street radial first came out, MT's website had a blurb about them that said they weren't intended for stick shift cars. Something about the tire not doing well with the instant hit/load associated with a clutch drop. That information is no longer on their website, but it was up there for the first few months the tires were available. I tend to think that the MT radials do well on automatic cars, but I shy away from them on stick shift applications. A good friend of mine has an 87 Buick Regal with the turbo V6 in it. The car runs low 12's and dead hooks getting low 1.6 short times with the MT radials. On that car, the tires are awesome. I have switched to the nittos on my vette. I haven't raced with them yet, but I anticipate so-so results. I've driven a friends 96 M6 C4 to mid 1.7's on nitto's, so that's about what I expect out of them on my car. If you have an auto, I think the MT radials will be great for you. If you are stick shift, I would recommend that you bite the bullet and get another set of rims with bias ply ET streets or ET drags. If you aren't willing to change tires for drag strip duty, I would go with the nittos. |
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| CentralCoaster | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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All the research I did pointed to the M/T ET street radial. The consensus was they are the stickiest, 2nd would be the BFG, 3rd the Nitto. Treadwear goes in the opposite order.
So the M/T is what I bought. I think it was a 275. They fit great on my stock 84-87 z51 wheel. Got them from scoggin dickey for a good price. I've never run them on a track that had any good track prep though. I mainly got them because the local 1/8th here is impossible to run on street tires and wanted some consistent launches for bracket racing. Best 60' was a 1.84. Bleh. 6-speed btw. |
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| Aboatguy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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4L60E and a vig 3500 So for a car in the 400/400 rwhp/lbft rwt MUSTANG Dyno neighborhood are the MT Streets 275/40R17s the answer? Is going to a smaller wheel size better 16s, 15? If smaller wheel size is better what is the $$$$ bang for the buck setup(IE Z28 wheels????) Mike |
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| cuisinartvette | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I have the M/T havent tried them out yet,at least on this car so I cant give feedback. Never cared for the BFG.Some like em some dont. Toyo has a new Proxy TQ drag radial that looks very nice, would like to try one someday. M and H are supposedly the stickiest out there with a decent (stable) sidewall it seems but I have not tried them personally only gained feedbakc from friends who have tried the others.
Interesting notes from Josh have read similar things about the stick/bias ply. Would have bitten on that but didnt want to use bias ply on the front to keep the car from wandering. |
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| Aboatguy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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| Josh | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Lots of guys run a radial up front with the bias ply slicks. I've done it for a decade or so and never had a problem.
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| Josh | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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The ET street radial will hook your car, no sweat. 275-40-17, no problem.
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| mseven | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I don't see why the DOT DR (street tire) wouldn't hook any of these cars. In "Drag Radial" class guys are going 7's in the quarter using a DOT DR street tire. Many of the mustang crowd run a 275 or 305 (depending on 17 or 18 rim) here's an example of a real street car w/305/35/18(he has gone faster since the articles)
http://www.alternativeauto.com/waterbox/88gt_tropical.html http://www.alternativeauto.com/images ... ang/mustang_milestone.png |
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| BeachBum | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I raced a C4 for years with power similar to yours.... a bit more torque, a little less HP....BFG and Nitto drag radials just won't cut it, I went through 4 sets of BFG's and 2 sets of Nitto's.... they particuarily will not cut it if you are looking for consistency, when they spin, which is more often than a bias ply, its harder to get them out of spin, whereas the ET Street will recover much quicker. The BFG was far superior to the Nitto's, which were about useless on my application. I will say, that despite the radial tire being a bit heavier than a bias ply, they are faster.... if you hook up on radial tires, you will run about 1 mph faster, or at least I did. This I assume has something to do with the stiffer sidewall the radial gives you. The ET Streets are definitely a bit mushier but if the track is even halfway decent, you'll hook-up hard... your mph will be down a hair, but you'll typically make up for it with an improved 60 ft time. I wouldn't run BFG or Nitto drag radials on any motor capable of 60 foots of 1.7x or better again. Of course, all of this is assuming a stock C4 suspension.... if you have a professional chassis suspension guy tuning your set-up.... you can get your ride to hook-up on tonka toy wheels in a pool of snot as some heads-up outlaw radial tire classes have shown us with their 7 second/200 mph timeslips.... but thats not realistic for most of us. As a note, I have heard good things about the Hoosier drag radial, but have never run it myself.... |
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| Aboatguy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Thanks for the information guys.
I'm still looking for the answer to is smaller diameter wheel better 15 vice 17 or 18? Do F body 15s or 16s fit on the rear of a C4??? I've been checking the F body sites looking for a deal on a drag pack (probably just rears) Thanks again Mike |
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| BeachBum | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Smaller rim is typically better for traction because you have more tire and sidewall.... but this can be subjective. I think those big 17" or 18" rims might be better for roadcourse type racing, with a shorter sidewall, thus added rigidity..... but, I don't know for sure. You have the best selection of drag tires with the 15" rims.
Not sure if F-body rims fit or not, but BFG, Nitto & MT ET Streets all have a drag tire for the stock 84-87 16" C4 rim.....in fact, those C4 rims are really nice.... basically the same weight as a Weld Draglite 16" XP rim and they of course fit the C4's perfectly. There are two different rims, I think one is a 8.5" the other is 9.5".... get the latter. I have seen on occasion C4 rims for sale at ebay typically for $ 100 and even less per rim. The BFG tire is the 255 50R16 The Nitto is the 245 selection The MT ET Street is the 26 x 11.5 x 16 (I recommend this tire) good luck ! |
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| dan0617 | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I ran a pair of 275 40 17 Nitto 555R drag radials for a season and a half. They would dead hook at the track with a good heat up and cut 1.60 60' times. They last pretty good on the street but need heated up hook real good on the street. Wouldn't dead hook on street but very close after a big burnout. Tires handle great.
I went to M/T ET Street Radials. Cut mid 1.5 60' times with just a slight heat up at the track. After a 10 minute drive they are hot enough to launch with nearly a dead hook on the street. If I spin them just a little they will dead hook on the street. They definiely hook better than the nittos but aren't lasting as long. Tires handle good but back end feels a little gummier than with street tires or nittos. Not much, just a little. I'm very happy with these tires. I nearly went with the M/T ET Street bias ply tires. Some good advice on this forum pointed me towards the street radials. Now, after riding in my buddy's supercharged cobra on the bias ply M/T's, I'm glad I made that decision. His car is nearly hazardous at higher speeds on the street, back end is very wishy-washy for lack of a better term. My car is a bone stock suspension with just the front sway bar removed and the rear alignment set to 1.5 degrees positive camber. As a side note, the D36 worked with the Nittos for a long time. About 7 passes with the M/T street radials and it is clunking bad when going around a turn and is whining on the interstate. The M/T's are sticky tires. If you are running a D36 I would go with the Nittos, they will max it out. Going to a D44, go with the ET Street Radials. Track only tires, go with the ET Street bias ply's. |
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| Aboatguy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I've been on a D44 for at least 4 years now. Looks like I picked up some Hoosier 275 40 R17 on factory ZO6 wheels. |
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| Weavsvet | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Just curious, how many of you guys run drag radials on the street? Like, all the time?
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| pr0zac | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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i ran 28x11.5-16 bias et streets on my camaro.. under 50 it was fine. but running it out it would sway with lower tire pressure. i swapped to nitto 555 in a 245/50-16 and it was much better to drive around on the only problem is that it wasn't enough tire. if i was to spin in first it would chirp second and recover from there. that was with a 700r4, 4.57 gears spooled and a 4000 stall. but i could easily blow the tires over even rolling the throttle, once the converter hit it was over.
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| dan0617 | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I ran Nitto 555r's for a season on the street, they were great. I now run MT ET Street radials, they are even stickier and still handle good. Gotta be going about 90 before I notice they aren't a normal street tire but they still don't sway or anything, just feel soft at high speed. Drag radials will throw stones on a gravel lane much more than a street tire, consider mud flaps and going slow on gravel roads.
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| biggrizzly | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Is there any final consensus as to what is the best diameter wheel for use on the C4? Seems like there are too many variables and opinions to narrow it down easily.
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| BrianCunningham | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I wouldn't for a DD DR are real soft and the tread goes away fast If there's going to be a lot of rain I wouldn't want to be out on them |
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| Weavsvet | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I probably should had started my own thread. I apologize Mike.
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| pr0zac | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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tire diameter would be have to be based off of gears and where your motor peaks. |
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| rklessdriver | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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I'm driving the 92 on 315-35R17 MT Drag Radials everyday (that I drive the car)... Which is more like one or two days a week weather permitting.
I did get caught in a downpour late last summer with them and from what I rember they did pretty good with normal driving under 50mph. I did try and push the speed over 50 a few times and the car wanted to hydroplane. We are talking a bunch of water on the road thou. I've got about 1000 miles on them so too soon to tell about tire wear - but with a car like mine tire wear is the least of my concerns. I also have a set of Hoosier 335's that I had on the car briefly last year. Only put a few miles before we pulled the motor backapart so I really don't have any extended driving data on them. Summer is comming thou and I do plan to test them back to back at the track... Will |
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| cuisinartvette | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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M/Ts are the only tire going on the rear full time.
If you have a ton of power and are running around on street tires youre just asking for problems ie wrecking it if you get into the throttle on a reg basis. Id rather replace tires a little more often than the car because I was too cheap to get the right tire. I only paid $130 ea,not much more than a reg street radial. |
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| Aboatguy | Re: Drag radials for a c4 | ||
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Mike, No worries, IMO your question was inline with the intent of this thread. Mike |
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