Some people have never turned a wrench in their lives and view themselves as an authority based on what they have read. Dont take that person seriously. For the guys budget you gave the right advice.

In the meantime if they want to tout themselves as a know it all and start handing out advice let em. THe rest know better
I know who youre referring to and he is a nice guy but sometimes I gotta sit back and chuckle a little and shake my head..He doesnt know any better.
Theres nothing wrong with your Brodix heads at all.

I build things for ME, not someone else..

Jsup, most street cars wil haul ass with 240-250 cfm, anything else...

Heck, Ive never even owned a set of AFRs, only worked on them. Because they are a mark others try to measure up to too many start to believe that if you arent making 300/230 on the bench then the car is gong to be a turd...not true.

I have a set of heads that everyone would rip on because they were a red headed step child when they came out. With enough work they go about 302 but sheesh, the motor is built to holy hell, probably wont idle below12-1300 wont come on til 3500-4000 rpm, and may see 1-2000 miles a year-If I ever get it on the road lol.
Not a real streetable thing but IMO thats where you need a big head.

Im no expert, just my opinion.
Dont sweat it.

jsup, from what I can understand of the posts you did your best to offer the best advice for the application/budget.

If they chose not to listen, not much you can do about it. :thumbleft:

jsup, from what I can understand of the posts you did your best to offer the best advice for the application/budget.

If they chose not to listen, not much you can do about it. :thumbleft:

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Then anyone that disagrees with someone ranked above them will be removed.

I'm still working out the exact formula...

I'm gonna start a new forum where users are ranked by their dick size, wallet size, car payment, and the size of their girlfriend's tits.

Then anyone that disagrees with someone ranked above them will be removed.

I'm still working out the exact formula...

I love situations like this as it gives me a chance to trot out my favorite Mark Twain quote. Unfortunately, I get to use it almost as often as TouringMike does with his "wings" pic:

"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."

I'm gonna start a new forum where users are ranked by their dick size, wallet size, car payment, and the size of their girlfriend's tits.

Then anyone that disagrees with someone ranked above them will be removed.

I'm still working out the exact formula...

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I'm gonna start a new forum where users are ranked by their dick size, wallet size, car payment, and the size of their girlfriend's tits.

Then anyone that disagrees with someone ranked above them will be removed.

I'm still working out the exact formula...

Damn, I will be a God!

I have always been on a tight budget, and have done my work myself.
Most of what I learned over the years was trial and error. Usually when I post my tech thoughts, they are disputed, but I know better., I never argue on the internet, it is too frustrating. My sanity is more important than winning the debate. I would not sweat it.

I'm gonna start a new forum where users are ranked by their dick size, wallet size, car payment, and the size of their girlfriend's tits.

Then anyone that disagrees with someone ranked above them will be removed.

I'm still working out the exact formula...

I'm running a set of Edelbrock Performers and am happy with them. I got the impression that some folks think total flow is correlated with power, but with a TPI and stock cam, spending more money didn't seem to make sense to me. That, and I didn't feel like waiting for AFRs!

Anyone with a bit of automotive experience can tell you any project will end up nickle and diming itself to way more than what was planned. Once you add up all the extra gaskets and tools you need, the project ends up costing way more than just the parts planned.

I knew a ton of guys growing up with half done project cars because they didn't have the dough to finish them. I was just as broke as them but figured out early on you need to make a decent income to enjoy the automotive hobby (this motivated me through grad school). Cars cost money. Deal with it or pick a cheaper hobby. The kid with the $2k C4 probably has a C4 worth $2k. He will end up throwing time and money at it and finally realize it is a money pit. Sometimes it is cheaper to pay more for a better car.

I had always gotten the impression on the other forum some guys got an ego trip giving advice as if they were experts like Joe Sherman or David Vizard. You always read the same advice just recycled. Advice on the internet is sometimes worth what you pay for. What bugs me the most is the disinformation. Bad information is worse than no information.

this is tragic...

Why can't people understand there are more thing than the last 30hp? There are budgets to consider.

Not everyone DESIRES that last 30hp, either. It's one of the thing that I railed against in regards to gutting catalytic converters.

You can get Edelbrock heads for the price of one AFR... and guess what? Your car is back on the road that much faster.... At the cost of what? 30? 40hp? Wow.

Youre wasting your breath although your intentions are good.
Its just how forums are.. Some listen to and recognize good advice, some wait for the 1 out 100 to tell them what they want to hear even if they know the answer isnt correct. Others dont know who to listen to, those are the ones you really need to try and reach.

Thats forums for ya, they are all like that.

Youre wasting your breath although your intentions are good.
Its just how forums are.. Some listen to and recognize good advice, some wait for the 1 out 100 to tell them what they want to hear even if they know the answer isnt correct. Others dont know who to listen to, those are the ones you really need to try and reach.

Thats forums for ya, they are all like that.

When you wrestle with a pig you will both get muddy but the pig will love it.

I actually purchased (against my better judgement) a new set of the afr eliminators about 10 months ago. I wish I had more time to experiment. I would like to remove my edelbrocks, and install the afr's for a direct comparison. Time will not allow it though. I have plans to install them on a 406 that I have on the stand. Time will tell if they are all they are hyped up to be.

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I actually purchased (against my better judgement) a new set of the afr eliminators about 10 months ago. I wish I had more time to experiment. I would like to remove my edelbrocks, and install the afr's for a direct comparison. Time will not allow it though. I have plans to install them on a 406 that I have on the stand. Time will tell if they are all they are hyped up to be.

Makes no difference on a different motor. Has to be on the same motor to be a real comparison.

Like I said, I am confident AFR is a great product. It just isn't a one size fits all solution.

The fact that no independent house has done a comparison on the same motor taking heads on and off and posting numbers kinda indicates that the people who know, know it's all hype.

Kinda like you say about vigilante converters. Great product, but overkill for 90% of the applications. Most people don't NEED a billet housing.

Jsup:

I think you did exactly what you should have done. You pointed out that there are other options that will work better for the OP's situation and he acknowledged it, so I think your mission is complete.

BTW -- I sent the OP a PM backing you up and I suggested he seriously consider your advice.